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MHA You're Next: Top/God Tier Upgrades

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My Hero Academia: You're Next has been released for home viewing. Meaning we can discuss how this movie will change the scaling.

There will be more CRTs because of this movie, however, I'm taking things one at a time so I don't overwork myself or the staff.

How are we scaling Dark Might? Despite his boast, we will not scale Dark Might to Prime All Might. Valdo has no way of knowing All Might's true power; he only has publicly available information. Even nerds like Izuku or the obsessed like Endeavor never noticed All Might had been weakening for years.

Valdo is just going off the public power of All Might. His statements would only put him above Weakened All Might, as everyone saw his fight against AFO in Kamino.

The second thing we need to discuss is Izuku. First, I'll make the timeline of the movie clear first. The movie takes place between these two panels on the last page of Chapter 342. During the four day gap leading to the Final War. We know this because Izuku is still wearing his gym uniform in Chapter 342. While he's wearing his Zeta outfit in the movie. Let's assume the movie takes place on the same day they arrived at Troy. Izuku and others meet Dark Might at sunset of that day.

By the time Endeavor begins firing at the fortress, the sun as risen. Meaning Izuku's fight against Dark Might takes place at most 3 days before the final battle. This means Izuku, Bakugo, and Shoto are the same as their Final War self. The only exception is Bakugo, who got a boost during the Final War.

Despite my initial thoughts, Izuku isn't holding back for no reason in the movie. Well, okay, he is holding back because he isn't using Gearshift or 100%. Izuku even holds back both in the Final War Arc when flying back to Japan's mainland. No one in the movie scales to Izuku's full power. However, we know 100% isn't his baseline.

It's still treated as something special he saves for when he really needs it. Kind of similar to how 20% or 45% use to be. He doesn't need 100% for Dark Might because he can fight him with whatever his normal Full Cowl is right now. We don't know the percentage as he never says it.

Now, why am I bringing this up at all? Because, I believe Izuku's Full Cowl in this movie should scale to the High 6-A feat. Let me explain:

My reasoning here is simple.

When Izuku performs the feat, he's heavily injured, tired, and only has the Embers of One For All after he transferred it to Tomura.
Izuku's so weak that he can barely stand. It's directly stated Izuku's on his last legs and needs to save his strength until he reaches AFO.
Which is why everyone else is taking the attacks for him. And you can tell by his appearance that he's not using 100%. (This is what 100% Full Cowl looks like)

Being injured or tired weakens what level of power Izuku can unleash with OFA.
For example, All Might was getting weaker throughout the years from his injury.
Izuku's second 100% punch against Muscular was weaker than his first one. Breaking his arm with his first 100% punch, weakened his second 100% punch.
Izuku couldn't summoned the strength to lift Lady Nagant and Hawks. This happens after he had an intense battle against Nagant.

So it's not unprecedented that Izuku becomes weaker than while injured/tired.

Also, One For All enhances all physical abilities. Izuku cannot increase the power of his punch without increasing its speed. The only way he could do something like this is by mixing percentages. Using 10% for his body and 5% for his arm. However, this isn't stated, shown, or even implied to be happening during the feat.

Izuku is moving so slow that Kurogiri can intercept him mid-punch, and Izuku needed Bakugo's help to avoid getting warped away. If Izuku is moving at such a slow speed, that means he cannot summon more power than that. This is proof he's not operating at Weakened All Might level; as Kurogiri is slower than All Might.

Note: That punch Kurogiri is intercepting is the one that'll perform the High 6-A feat.

The chapter made it clear that Tomura and Izuku were on their last leg. We already accept that Izuku and Tomura scale above the feat, we just didn't know by how much. Izuku never fought anyone besides Tomura in the Final War Arc. But now that we see him fighting Dark Might, we can scale the High 6-A feat to more people.

As there's now no reason to believe that the healthy Izuku in the movie is weaker than when he's on his last legs just 3 days later.

I know there will be this question. Like, how did Izuku stomp Dark Might in the end of the movie if he wasn't holding back even in his baseline percent? The answer here is simple. Izuku and many other characters can go Plus Ultra. They can surpass their limits so they can defeat stronger enemies. Izuku's Plus Ultra isn't restricted to 100%, he's capable of it as long as he is pushing himself. OFA is a special ability that he activates after all, it isn't his natural strength level.

The timeline is important since nothing suggest Izuku got vastly stronger in 3 days or less.

TLDR: I don't believe the High 6-A feat is Prime All Might level. Izuku performs that feat without 100%, while extremely exhausted/injured, and with only the Remnants of One For All. As such, Izuku during the movie should scale to/above the feat, as this is the same Izuku but a few days earlier. He also still has OFA and isn't heavily exhausted/injured. I also want to add Plus Ultra mentions on Izuku, Bakugo, and Shoto's profile. As they're shown to get stronger by surpassing their limits.

This means Dark Might scales to High 6-A. This obviously scales to Shoto and Bakugo, as they fought against Dark Might and took hits from him.

Endeavor scales to them, which means it scales to Weakened All Might as well.

Endeavor scales because he can take hits from Dabi, who is stronger than Shoto, and AFO also stated that Full Body Cluster Bakugo was inferior to Endeavor.

This means the 60x multiplier will apply to the High 6-A feat, instead of dividing it.

Weakened All Might level = 42.37 Petatons of TNT (Multi-Continent level)

Re-Destro's Claustro = 42.37*1.5 = 63.55 Petatons of TNT (Multi-Continent level)

Prime All Might level = 42.37*60 = 2.542 Exatons of TNT (Multi-Continent level)

100% Izuku's Fa Jin = 2.542*5 = 12.71 Exatons of TNT (Multi-Continent level)

Anyone who is High 6-B+ will become High 6-A, and the three currently High 6-A characters will scale higher up in the same tier. Due to how high into High 6-A they are, those that downscale like Gran Torino or Ryukyu will just have it be noted they downscale from 42.37 Petatons on their profile.

Shoto's Lifting Strength with Half-Cold goes up to Class P in his Final War Arc key, as he was able to restrain Rampage Form Dark Might with his ice.

Izuku, Shoto, and Bakugo get Plus Ultra mentions on their profile. They can go beyond their limits like All Might and Endeavor to become stronger in battle. Izuku's one million percent moment, while not literally one million, was stronger than his normal 100%. And Dark Might pointed out the moment Shoto became stronger.

Bakugo went from being unable to break through Dark Might's defense, to stopping an even stronger Dark Might's attack.

Dark Might's Profile Sandbox.

Sandbox for the rest of the verse's characters.

Verse Page Sandbox.

High 6-A Upgrades:

Agree: Therefir, Shadowslaya!, 1000TonsofFun, Cielsea, Grand_Astartes, Dalesean027, Kavopaco, SlendVeny, CastoriceTheFifth, Viott, Mapl3Sy4up, V999, XSOULOFCINDERX, Kingofwolves999, 57Dev, Reiner04, Dereck03, (17)

Disagree: CloverDragon03, Raiden38, Damage3245, (3)

Neutral: (0)

Plus Ultra mention for Bakugo, Shoto, and Izuku on their profiles:

Agree: Therefir, Dalesean027, Kingofwolves999, Spinoirr, Cielsea, Grand_Astartes, Kavopaco, SlendVeny, CastoriceTheFifth, Viott, Mapl3Sy4up, V999, XSOULOFCINDERX, Kingofwolves999, 57Dev, Reiner04, Dereck03, (17)

Disagree: Raiden38, (1)

Neutral: (0)

Shoto Class P Lifting Strength with Half-Cold:

Agree: Therefir, Dalesean027, Kingofwolves999, Spinoirr, Cielsea, Grand_Astartes, Kavopaco, SlendVeny, CastoriceTheFifth, Viott, Mapl3Sy4up, V999, XSOULOFCINDERX, Kingofwolves999, 57Dev, Reiner04, Dereck03, (17)

Disagree: Raiden38, (1)

Neutral: (0)
 
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I've already agreed with this line of logic as well so count me as agree too
 
I’m gonna need more convincing before I accept the 60x multiplier applying to Deku’s final punch given he says “it is a little stronger than what the eight could deliver.”

I agree he is heavily, super nerfed with nothing but embers remaining and tired as hell, not close to his peak, but idk if I’m fully on board with assuming Deku’s normal state before that was superior/comparable to him even then.

I mean, I guess you can kinda get that level of scaling from how everyone was performing against Omni Factor Release? Blocking hits and destroying parts of it which were capable of threatening Embers Deku? But I would appreciate more concrete reasoning than what is currently presented.
 
Also what gets me is that Deku just got down to the Embers of OFA, so I honestly don't think he was weakened that much as opposed to if he were to fight just as the embers were running out
 
I do agree with Shoto’s LS and the Plus Ultra mention on the Trio’s profiles however. Deku honestly should have had that ever since Muscular fight/Two Heroes.
Yeah, I'm surprised Deku never had a Plus Ultra rating considering he literally does it as blatantly as possible with the whole "1,000,000%" shenanigans.
 
Okay I did some talking with Clover off sight and Kingofwolves also mentioned it but yeah not too big on the 60x multiplier given the statement he makes at that time, I do personally think still the upscaling is fine since he is still severely weakened for several reasons by this point so I do think still the 45% at the very least scaling to the High 6-A feat is valid for now.
 
Okay I did some talking with Clover off sight and Kingofwolves also mentioned it but yeah not too big on the 60x multiplier given the statement he makes at that time, I do personally think still the upscaling is fine since he is still severely weakened for several reasons by this point so I do think still the 45% at the very least scaling to the High 6-A feat is valid for now.
Yeah, him being at least twice as strong at his real 100% makes sense to me though because it's literally over twice as strong mathematically speaking while ignoring the weird exponential shenanigans of OFA.

Edit: 2.22 × as powerful if you want to be specific.
 
I disagree with scaling these characters directly to the High 6-A feat. Deku verbatim states the power he's using is a little stronger than what All Might could do (which we accept as upscaling from Prime All Might), so Prime All Might's 60x multiplier has no business applying here
That's incorrect. Izuku is saying One For All itself is only a little stronger than what All Might could do. Which is the power inside of Tomura's body that caused his destruction/weakening when he transferred it. Izuku isn't saying the punch he's throwing is a little stronger than All Might.

Izuku at that point isn't at 100%. He's been heavily weakened when he throws that punch. As shown by how literally everyone there can react to him mid punch. If he was Prime All Might level, Kurogiri or a heavily weakened Bakugo wouldn't be able to intercept him.
 
Okay I did some talking with Clover off sight and Kingofwolves also mentioned it but yeah not too big on the 60x multiplier given the statement he makes at that time, I do personally think still the upscaling is fine since he is still severely weakened for several reasons by this point so I do think still the 45% at the very least scaling to the High 6-A feat is valid for now.
I don't care for the 60x multiplier, so if we feel like is has to go away that's fine with me.
Yeah, him being at least twice as strong at his real 100% makes sense to me though because it's literally over twice as strong mathematically speaking while ignoring the weird exponential shenanigans of OFA.

Edit: 2.22 × as powerful if you want to be specific.
We don't accept the OFA percentages like that, no matter the direction. Also, Izuku isn't even using 45% in the movie. He's using something else.

45% is still downscaling.
 
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I don't care for the 60x multiplier, so if we feel like is has to go away that's fine with me.



We don't accept the OFA percentages like that, no matter the direction. Also, Izuku isn't even using 45% in the movie. He's using something else.

45% is still downscaling.
I don't think they meant get rid of the sixty times multiplier entirely.
 
I don't think they meant get rid of the sixty times multiplier entirely.
Um? Maybe I'm reading wrong but.
Okay I did some talking with Clover off sight and Kingofwolves also mentioned it but yeah not too big on the 60x multiplier given the statement he makes at that time, I do personally think still the upscaling is fine since he is still severely weakened for several reasons by this point so I do think still the 45% at the very least scaling to the High 6-A feat is valid for now.
This sentence contradicts itself if that is true. If 45% is scaling to the feat in anyway, that means the 60x multiplier would apply if we're keeping it.
 
Um? Maybe I'm reading wrong but.

This sentence contradicts itself if that is true. If 45% is scaling to the feat in anyway, that means the 60x multiplier would apply if we're keeping it.
Maybe it was just worded poorly but I don't think the suggestion was to remove the multiplier entirely.
 
That's incorrect. Izuku is saying One For All itself is only a little stronger than what All Might could do. Which is the power inside of Tomura's body that caused his destruction/weakening when he transferred it. Izuku isn't saying the punch he's throwing is a little stronger than All Might.

Izuku at that point isn't at 100%. He's been heavily weakened when he throws that punch. As shown by how literally everyone there can react to him mid punch. If he was Prime All Might level, Kurogiri or a heavily weakened Bakugo wouldn't be able to intercept him.
Hmm… I think I get this interpretation.

Deku also says that he (AFO) is “facing the combined power of all nine of us,” and it’s on the same page where AFO is mentioning how his body is breaking from the transfer. Deku’s punches themselves aren’t what are stronger than Prime AM, it’s the combination of his current embers and the transferred users energy from the inside that are causing him to crumble. We even see the panel of AM talking about how the power will destroy his body.

He’s still way stronger than everyone else though, even with his embers. So he could just be back to using his standard, non-100% power that he has during the Dark Might battle. And that strength is likely subject to the 60x multiplier given a weaker Bakugo and current Shoto were keeping up with it.
 
Yes, that's what I'm saying.

I will add that the majority of the characters that are helping fight All For One in the end don't even scale to Weakened All Might. And those that do scale are vastly weakened as well. However, All For One does avoid Endeavor and Shoto's attack, unlike everyone else where he tanks them.

Yeah I know heat ignores durability, but he tanks everything else yet is still threaten by Endeavor and Shoto.

I don't mean they should scale based on that, just that I found it interesting to note.
 
Note: Just in case it's not obvious to some people. But if the High 6-A stuff is rejected, Dark Might and Full Cowl Izuku will scale to High 6-B+. Based on Dark Might's statements of being above Weakened All Might, and his feats from fighting Shoto and Bakugo.

I'll have the rearrange some of the wording on in sandbox first in that case, but I'm already prepared for that.
 
That's incorrect. Izuku is saying One For All itself is only a little stronger than what All Might could do. Which is the power inside of Tomura's body that caused his destruction/weakening when he transferred it. Izuku isn't saying the punch he's throwing is a little stronger than All Might.

Izuku at that point isn't at 100%. He's been heavily weakened when he throws that punch. As shown by how literally everyone there can react to him mid punch. If he was Prime All Might level, Kurogiri or a heavily weakened Bakugo wouldn't be able to intercept him.
I think it makes no sense for Deku to not be talking about the power he's using right now. What does the "full power" matter? He doesn't have it anymore.

Also, I think it's fair to say that Deku's full power is more than a "little" stronger than Prime All Might considering how badly he was beating Quirkless Shigaraki
 
so the baseline High 6-A scaling is because of the assumption that Deku holding back in the movie is stronger than his final attack?
 
Doesn’t Valdo also generate the suited servant mooks throughout the film, too? So shouldn’t a form of life creation be granted to him?

Additionally, throughout the entire film he’s growing thanks to Anna, so would he not have something like

“With Anna, Accelerated Development?”
 
This sentence contradicts itself if that is true. If 45% is scaling to the feat in anyway, that means the 60x multiplier would apply if we're keeping it.
Hmm… I think I get this interpretation.

Deku also says that he (AFO) is “facing the combined power of all nine of us,” and it’s on the same page where AFO is mentioning how his body is breaking from the transfer. Deku’s punches themselves aren’t what are stronger than Prime AM, it’s the combination of his current embers and the transferred users energy from the inside that are causing him to crumble. We even see the panel of AM talking about how the power will destroy his body.

He’s still way stronger than everyone else though, even with his embers. So he could just be back to using his standard, non-100% power that he has during the Dark Might battle. And that strength is likely subject to the 60x multiplier given a weaker Bakugo and current Shoto were keeping up with it.
Just put me as neutral for now then because I do see the what you're saying here and the merit behind it
 
I agree with everyone else that the High 6-B+ rating would make more sense

And I of course agree with everything else
 
I think the High 6-B+ rating would make more sense here based on the posts above.
What are your opinions on the Plus Ultra stuff for Izuku, Bakugo, and Shoto?

Along with giving Final War Arc Shoto Class P LS with Half Cold for restraining Dark Might?
 
Doesn’t Valdo also generate the suited servant mooks throughout the film, too? So shouldn’t a form of life creation be granted to him?

Additionally, throughout the entire film he’s growing thanks to Anna, so would he not have something like

“With Anna, Accelerated Development?”
?
 
Granted, Deku definitely wasn’t use 100% for his Full Cowling in the final bout with ShigAFO. However, given how he was willing to kill ShigAFO by that point, I don’t see any reason why he wouldn’t have used 100% smashes on him at the moment of impact — like how he did with other villains like Muscular and even Shigaraki in the first war.
 
I think yall have to see though is that Bakugou and Todoroki were tag teaming Dark AM while Deku alone himself could do bout as much dmg vs those 2 together. Also I don’t really think they even went plus ultra since again Deku was pretty much still holding back, same can apply for Bakugou and Todoroki since the latter decided to try and use both his powers while Bakugou was using even bigger explosion
 
Also, I think it's fair to say that Deku's full power is more than a "little" stronger than Prime All Might considering how badly he was beating Quirkless Shigaraki
He was only beating Tomura that badly because he was using Gearshift. 100% Full Cowl Izuku just stopped a single punch from him. The extra Quirks within OFA are separate from the stored up power. They allow Izuku to go beyond what is 100% after all. Why would Izuku even need to use Gearshift, if he's this much stronger than Tomura? You're suggesting that a half dead Izuku that's on his last legs, and isn't using 100% Full Cowl, is a little stronger than Prime All Might?

However, Izuku still relies on Gearshift + Fa Jin in that fight. Gearshift is stated to be Izuku's last resort and is just as bad as or even worst than using 100%. After five minutes he's incapable of breathing and has to stop for multiple minutes to catch his breath. There's no reason to use a last resort if your opponent is significantly beneath you.

Izuku is using Gearshift because Tomura is still a massive threat to him, even with 100% Full Cowl. After all, he's only a little bit stronger than Prime All Might, which is the same level of power Quirkless Tomura has. They're basically even with each other, and we know 100% still hurts Izuku by an unknown amount. He uses Gearshift because he needs to if he wants to crush Tomura. He cannot stomp Tomura unless he uses Gearshift.

To make somethings clear. I believe you are wrong here, but lets see I can convince you or not.

The statement Izuku makes is not regarding his punch, but how strong One For All is completely. There is zero logic supporting the idea that he's saying this is how hard he can punch in that moment. We already know that Izuku isn't at 100% Full Cowl, you can tell as much by his appearance. I've already proven in the OP how being so heavily weakened and injured prevents Izuku from using his full power. Muscular and more importantly, Lady Nagant shows how weak Izuku can become.

"After just two years... it's a little stronger than what the eight could deliver. You're facing the combined power of all nine of us!" The power currently stored within OFA is a little stronger than what All Might had. AFO's body is falling apart due to that combined power, which Izuku just forcibly transferred into him.

Edit: Here is an alternate translation as well. Pretty clear, Izuku is talking about the absolute power of OFA that everyone has built up. Not his heavily weakened power, where he's so exhausted that that he needs everyone's help.

Izuku is not a little stronger than Prime All Might in that moment, I've provided proof of this. His High 6-A punch gets intercepted by Kurogiri, who is not Weakened All Might level. If Izuku was a little above Prime All Might in this moment, how the hell would Bakugo outpace him? Shoto is even able to make Bakugo that ice ramp so he can protect Izuku from being warped by Kurogiri. Izuku is slower than Prime All Might, this is made extremely clear when everyone is helping him. It's not possible for Izuku to use a certain level of OFA without increasing his speed by the same amount. If his speed isn't a little above Prime All Might level, that means his power isn't above Prime All Might either. Izuku isn't even faster than Tomura, who can still react to and try to block his attack. And everyone here can react to Tomura's level right now.

So many lesser characters can intercept AFO's attack, even though he's using his Omni-Factor technique.

It makes no sense for Izuku to say that statement and not mean OFA in its entirety. The damage all that power did to Tomura's spirit/body is also being taken into account. That's why we get a flashback of All Might telling Izuku his noodle body isn't ready to handle OFA. Tomura's body is no longer capable of withstanding that power. The reason is because both his body and spirit were shattered when Izuku forcibly transferred OFA into him. That power is what shattered his body and why he's so weak right now.

Izuku is also so weak in this moment that he cannot run without help, and is stated to be on his last legs. He's also shown to not be using 100% Full Cowl. We know that even with the Embers, 100% Full Cowl looks identical as shown in Heroes Rising. The fact his appearance does not like that means he's not using 100% Full Cowl.

Izuku, without 100% Full Cowl, while so heavily injured and tired that he needs help from others to moves and can barely stand, is capable of performing that High 6-A feat. While Izuku in the movie is not using 100% Full Cowl, he is fresh and barely injured, and is shown to be giving everything he's got against Dark Might that's not 100% Full Cowl. Literally screaming and struggling to escape so he can save Gulio from being killed by Anna.

Izuku isn't holding back when he performs the High 6-A feat, he just cannot use more strength like we saw when he couldn't lift Lady Nagant and Hawks. This is all the power he can unleash in this moment. If anyone wants to say otherwise, they need to provide proof that he's using 100% despite his appearance not changing, or they need to prove this weakened Izuku is still above Prime All Might. I've debunked both of these ideas, so I don't see any counterplay here, but I'm still willingly to hear the opposition out.

Also, just in case anyone says something this stupid. Izuku wasn't holding back to prevent the Embers from going out before he reached AFO. We see in Heroes Rising that Izuku can move and launch a massive amount of attacks while using the Embers and not get weakened. Heck, we see All Might throw over 300 punches above his 100% while he has the Embers as well. There's no threat of Izuku losing the Embers before taking out AFO, who is only two shots away from death. They don't want Izuku to throw everything because he's literally on his last legs. He's so exhausted and injured that his body wouldn't last doing that, which is why they're helping him, to make sure their last hope doesn't collapse before he strikes the finishing blow.
 
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i'll agree with everything as well since i'm realizing that this is much more consistent than the current profiles anyway, which has statements like this:
higher with Plus Ultra (Able to punch Prime All For One's head off after having his guts being ripped out of his body)
as justification for All Might's High 6-A rating even though AFO doesn't even have High 6-A in his profile right now, so it doesn't really make sense. Also some other stuff like how Tokoyami is 6-A, while Bakugo, Todoroki, Endeavor, and some other characters are only at High 6-B, which doesn't seem consistent with what the story is trying to show.
 
Rusty explaining things (albeit in a way where I didn't really like the attitude and lowkey didn't wanna agree because of it, this part's a joke btw) helps in terms of showing why the Deku that did the High 6-A feat isn't Prime All Might level. I lowkey forgot that in context he's talking about the complete power that Shigaraki got force-fed, not the power Deku was using at the moment.

However, I'm not exactly sure why this puts him at Weakened All Might level in particular rather than full power Deku just massively upscaling from the feat

Edit: Also, the whole final battle is super weird because characters like Sato and Ojiro are able to knock AFO back and multiple lesser characters can intercept his attacks, but in that same fight, everyone says he's too tough for their attacks to hit home and that his attacks are too fast. It's inconsistent with itself
 
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I was trying to keep my tone down, I even really checked my writing before putting it down. Seems I'm still struggling in regards to this. Just want to make it clear anything you hear in my tone is against myself and not you. When I write, I act like I'm debating against myself as it's mentally easier for me. But I'm very blunt against myself so I come off as rude. To make it clear, I have nothing against anyone here. Sorry if I come off that way.

To answer your question. It's because Izuku is moving slower than Weakened All Might. As Full Cowl enhances everything, Izuku cannot increase his power and speed independently from each other. If his speed is an unknown amount lower or equal to Weakened All Might, that means his power would be the same.

The only exception would be if Izuku was mixing percentages. For example, 5% for his body and 20% for his strike. However, nothing in the scene implies he's doing that and one would need to prove he's doing that in this moment. Since Kurogiri, who is slower than All Might, can intercept/react to Izuku mid High 6-A punch, that means it should be the same power wise. Kurogiri needed Nomu to hold All Might down so he can deal with him, and he was caught by Gran Torino before he could warp.

It's just an unknown amount below Weakened All Might, so it's honestly just equal unless we magically got more information.

Shoto and Aizawa's reactions, which scale to Weakened All Might level speed, are also shown to keep up as well. And to explain everyone needing Izuku to deal the final blow. Ignoring the fact no one knows Tomura's body is breaking and can't heal. Everyone just went through the war. There isn't a single character there that's not exhausted. I don't think the same outcome would happen if all of the heroes were at 100% during that fight.

Considering AFO avoided attacks from a heavily weakened Endeavor and Shoto. I wouldn't be surprised if the heroes could beat the weakened AFO if they were at 100%.

Also, Izuku using what appears to be a standard Full Cowl but heavily weakened and injured vs Izuku using what appears to be a standard Full Cowl but completely healthy. I don't see why there's any reason to assume the former is superior to the latter. Izuku isn't using 100% in both cases. Izuku should at least be equal or stronger than what he does with the Embers due to how heavily weakened he becomes during that moment. However, I admit this part is mostly opinionated, but I think it makes sense.
 
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