TBATE Revisions: Layers

[Testarossa002]

Hello
This thread seeks to grant layers in some abilities to the necessary characters.
Here is the sandbox explaining the layers and who gets what:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Testarossa002/TBATE:_Layers_Explanation

Any further clarification can be provided upon request.
Thanks

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Will be looking into this after lunch

 

[Dark_Soul20189]

Well, I disagree with layered fear manipulation. It is much more of a "potency" thing than a "layer" thing.

Bassicly the stronger the user is, the stronger the aura, it is much more in a "magnitude" increase than a layers one; much like how fire manipulation can't be layered, neither can this.

So it would not be as "layers", but rather "enhanced" or whatever word you decide to use to explain it becoming stronger.


I will look into the power nullifications more in a bit, but atm it looks much more promising.

 

[Testarossa002]

Well, I disagree with layered fear manipulation. It is much more of a "potency" thing than a "layer" thing.

Layers are a measure of potency

Bassicly the stronger the user is, the stronger the aura,

Not really. If it were, the proposals would be much greater than what's in the OP
Mage levels go from Black Core to White Core
All mages have a baseline resistance via this

Taking a step back, she turned to me with a wry smile. “Y-Yeah. It’s just that, since I can’t use mana anymore, General Varay’s aura—even suppressed—paralyzed me for a second. I’m fine now,” she hurriedly added, seeing the concerned expressions on our faces

and this

His Majesty and I had turned our attention back to the main stage when a terrifyingly oppressive presence suddenly filled the room, constricting my body. I tried my hardest to move, to try and find the source of this domineering bloodlust, but my body refused to obey. What the hell was going on? This was the most secure area in the entire building, with the king’s guard inside, and my own guard securing the entrance to the room. My breathing turned shallow as the overbearing pressure gripped at my insides. I could feel beads of cold sweat slowly rolling down my face as if they, too, were afraid.With an extreme effort, I was able to turn my gaze slightly to look at the guards. While they were at least able to move their bodies, it was clear that they were just as confused about what was going on as I was. I had no idea what to expect next. I had assumed that I would live for quite a bit longer, yet here I was, at Death’s door, trying to struggle out of his icy grasp. What in Hell’s name was happening?

Orange Core mages can however, overcome said resistance of Black and Red Core mages

Suddenly, I felt like I was deep underwater. I couldn’t breathe and the surrounding air seemed to want to crush me. What was this? It was terrifying. I’d heard that some elite fighters were able to produce a killing intent that could scare mana beasts away, but what the hell was this? Was there such a thing as a killing intent that could actually kill people? Slowly turning my head to face the masked man, who was obviously the source of this bloodthirst, I felt the color drain from my face. I couldn’t tell what sort of expression he wore under his mask, but I didn’t need to. There was a dark, baleful aura bursting out of him. It felt alive and out for blood. The killing intent wasn’t even focused on me, but still I had to will myself to keep from wetting my pants. Then I noticed the sorry state that Turman was in. His eyes were wide and his body stiff, as if he was petrified. He was muttering something and I could see tears streaming down his cheeks, and the crotch area of his pants was a darker shade than the rest. Then the masked man retracted his bloodthirst and I could breathe again. I desperately took in deep gulps of air, which made me cough. I could see and hear the other adventurers and the workers of the inn doing the same, some in a worse state than I was.

Giving them a layer of potency
Then the scaling goes on and on from there
I already gave a reason why mages should be treated as having resistance to their own fear hax

 

[Nerd_out6]

i see a couple problems:

1 using mica being affected by Nico in volume 8.5 can be more attributed to her PTSD rather than necessarily Nico himself being overwhelming her.

2 in the battle against Cecilia Arthur mentions how he can't negate Cecilia spells while she focusing on them so shouldn't that give her a 4th layer of potency to power nullification resistance.

 

[Testarossa002]

using mica being affected by Nico in volume 8.5 can be more attributed to her PTSD rather than necessarily Nico himself being overwhelming her.

You're right. The layers from that level onwards would be reduced by one

he can't negate Cecilia spells while she focusing on them so shouldn't that give her a 4th layer of potency to power nullification resistance.

I'll add this. Thanks

 

[karo_senpaii]

Hello
This thread seeks to grant layers in some abilities to the necessary characters.
Here is the sandbox explaining the layers and who gets what:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Testarossa002/TBATE:_Layers_Explanation

Any further clarification can be provided upon request.
Thanks

Some of the stuff here are not actually layers. For example sending chills down your spine is not nearly enough for fear induced paralysis. Also cases like saying someone's aura is not as great as another doesn't warrant a layer. I don't agree With the Lucas section and then kodri and the asura's later.

 

[Bitllin12]

A question: Should Arthur and Cecilia have PN resistance (3 layers)?

Spoiler

Since Cecilia is able to resist Arthur(Realmheart) nullification, and he can resist hers as well.
Reaching for the aether interwoven throughout the twin vortexes buffeting Sylvie and me, I ripped at the fabric of the spell.
It resisted. I pushed harder, forcing out more of my own aether, and as Cecilia's attention turned to Chul, her hold over the
mana weakened. The spell dissolved, and the cyclones melted away.

The aether sheathing my skin trembled against the onslaught, but I couldn't exert my will on the mana, couldn't break the
spell or even distort it. Her focus was too great, her control too precise. As my skin began to crack and blister beneath the
fading aether, I God Stepped away, blindly following the paths into the air to appear between Cecilia and Nico.

Her body twisted to the side, and my Burst Strike skated off the surface of her protective spell, my momentum carrying me
past her. In my left hand, I conjured an aether blade, sweeping it behind me. One of her arms came up to ward off the blow,
and once again aether shivered against mana, the two opposing forces struggling for superiority.

This time, my concentration won out. The blade sheared through her transparent mana arm and jammed into her side, only
just breaking the skin.

 

[Testarossa002]

For sake of not dragging this longer than it should be (I doubt Arthur is going to need 9 layers of fear hax to null someone), I'll drop the contentious points but I'd like to point out that it's very much implied that you can "block" fear hax with your mana. Which by default means that mana more powerful than yours will "break through" your "block" and having a more powerful mana means you'll be able to "block" fear hax of weaker characters

Reaching the front, I looked past the soldiers standing guard and examined the corpse inside the ice. It was hard for me to look at the Vritra for too long, though. In terms of its physical attributes, it—she—looked human, but staring at the two hollowed-out cavities where her eyes should have been filled me with a fear that couldn’t be blocked by mana.

Breaking open the metaphoric wall I had built to control my mana, I felt a rush of mana pour out of my core. The once dim runes that ran down my arms and back glowed brightly, blatantly apparent even through the thick mantle I wore over my undershirt...
My expression remained calm, her imposing intent no longer affecting me, as the disfigured hands of mana reached for me with their spindly fingers. A small crater formed in the ground below my feet as I dashed toward the slender witch of a woman, ignoring her spell

A question: Should Arthur and Cecilia have PN resistance (3 layers)?

Spoiler

Since Cecilia is able to resist Arthur(Realmheart) nullification, and he can resist hers as well.
Reaching for the aether interwoven throughout the twin vortexes buffeting Sylvie and me, I ripped at the fabric of the spell.
It resisted. I pushed harder, forcing out more of my own aether, and as Cecilia's attention turned to Chul, her hold over the
mana weakened. The spell dissolved, and the cyclones melted away.

The aether sheathing my skin trembled against the onslaught, but I couldn't exert my will on the mana, couldn't break the
spell or even distort it. Her focus was too great, her control too precise. As my skin began to crack and blister beneath the
fading aether, I God Stepped away, blindly following the paths into the air to appear between Cecilia and Nico.

Her body twisted to the side, and my Burst Strike skated off the surface of her protective spell, my momentum carrying me
past her. In my left hand, I conjured an aether blade, sweeping it behind me. One of her arms came up to ward off the blow,
and once again aether shivered against mana, the two opposing forces struggling for superiority.

This time, my concentration won out. The blade sheared through her transparent mana arm and jammed into her side, only
just breaking the skin.

It was already mentioned but thanks anyway

 

[Korf3ll]

Hello
This thread seeks to grant layers in some abilities to the necessary characters.
Here is the sandbox explaining the layers and who gets what:
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:Testarossa002/TBATE:_Layers_Explanation

Any further clarification can be provided upon request.
Thanks

i agree with PN but i'm not sure with Fear hax

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Logically, this implies that he should also be capable of resisting his own intent (1-layer resistance).

I'm not entirely sure about this bit right here. I don't think we give people Resistances equivalent to their Hax potency as a standard. But of course if there's a reasoning for this that I missed, then feel free to point it out.

As a Solid Yellow Core mage, Arthur can instill paralyzing fear in Corrupted Lucas, demonstrating 2-layer potency.

This is probably just a result of my lack of knowledge regarding the verse, but why does affecting Lucas specifically grant an extra layer of potency? If Lucas has enhanced resistance, then maybe that should be added to the justification, right? Unless I missed it, in which case, my bad lol.

All subsequent layers seem to be a direct follow up from these, so once these are cleared up, the higher layers should be good to go imo.

Fear hax aside, everything else looks good. Nice work once again.

 

[Testarossa002]

I'm not entirely sure about this bit right here. I don't think we give people Resistances equivalent to their Hax potency as a standard. But of course if there's a reasoning for this that I missed, then feel free to point it out.

it's more or less explained here

For sake of not dragging this longer than it should be (I doubt Arthur is going to need 9 layers of fear hax to null someone), I'll drop the contentious points but I'd like to point out that it's very much implied that you can "block" fear hax with your mana. Which by default means that mana more powerful than yours will "break through" your "block" and having a more powerful mana means you'll be able to "block" fear hax of weaker characters

This is probably just a result of my lack of knowledge regarding the verse, but why does affecting Lucas specifically grant an extra layer of potency? If Lucas has enhanced resistance, then maybe that should be added to the justification, right? Unless I missed it, in which case, my bad lol.

Lucas's resistance is based off scaling above Orange core Arthur as mana core potency determines the effectiveness and resistance to fear hax as explained above

As an Orange Core mage, Arthur can unleash Killing Intent powerful enough to petrify other mages, even when they are not its direct target (1-layer potency). Logically, this implies that he should also be capable of resisting his own intent (1-layer resistance).

Fear hax aside, everything else looks good. Nice work once again

Thank you for the evaluation

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

it's more or less explained here


Lucas's resistance is based off scaling above Orange core Arthur as mana core potency determines the effectiveness and resistance to fear hax as explained above

Alright then, this should be fine in that case.

Thank you for the evaluation

Anytime.

 

[Nierre]

What's been accepted here looks fine to me.

For sake of not dragging this longer than it should be (I doubt Arthur is going to need 9 layers of fear hax to null someone), I'll drop the contentious points

 

[Testarossa002]

This has been applied and can now be locked
FYI I moved the layers from the sandbox to a blog for transparency purposes. The blog would then be linked on the verse page

TBATE: Layers Explanation

vsbattles.fandom.com

Thank you all

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Closing.