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Well, I was browsing through profiles once and noticed this. (bold part)
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Since this feat is accepted as having happened (even if probably), shouldn't this be a hax plot? From what I can see, it seems to be a textbook hax plot. Flowey altering the intro of the story/script and changing it so that everyone disappears.

"Just him changing the text doesn't mean anything happened" - I mean, it's currently accepted that this happened, since it's in the justification, otherwise I wouldn't even make this crt.

"He could have erased everyone and then made the text" - I mean, I guess that could be it? Although I think that's more of an assumption than the assumption I'm making. Flowey already changes the game on a metafictional level with texts and the game files themselves, to me it doesn't seem like a big leap in logic (changed the story intro -> really just a void with nothing)

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Honestly, the whole thing is dubious in itself.
The profile already partially denies it by acknowledging that humans still exist, and that same line even implies that monsters do as well.
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At best, Frisk finding themself in a black void might warrant a "possibly" for the EE, but anything beyond that seems like a stretch.
 
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Eden_Warlock99 said:
Honestly, the whole thing is dubious in itself.
The profile already partially denies it by acknowledging that humans still exist, and that same line even implies that monsters do as well.
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At best, Frisk finding themself in a black void might warrant a "possibly" for the EE, but anything beyond that seems like a stretch.
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I'm only making this crt because it seems to be accepted that everything did in fact disappear as described in the intro, even though it's a "supposedly" (since the justification itself says it's supposedly because Flowey talks about destroying humanity with the 7 souls).

I also don't mind if it's decided that the feat is invalid, thus removing it from the justification (at least the part about having erased the entire underground and everything in it, and leaving in the justification only that small void that was the site of the battle).
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Well, I was browsing profiles once and I noticed this. (part in bold)

Since this feat is accepted as having happened (even if probably), shouldn't this be plot hax? From what I can see, it seems to be textbook plot hax.

Flowey altering the story/script intro and changing it so that everyone disappears.

"Just him changing the text doesn't mean anything happened" - I mean, it's currently accepted that it happened since it's in the justification, otherwise I wouldn't even make this crt.

"He could have just erased everyone and then made the text" - I mean, I guess that could be it? Although I would think it's more of an assumption than the assumption I'm making. Flowey already changes the game on a metafictional level with texts and the game files themselves, to me it doesn't seem like a huge leap of logic (changed story intro -> really just a void with nothing
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**** that shit was scary to watch.
Seems okay
 
Apologies, but I'm interested in this CRT, but I'm having a bit of difficulty what it's arguing to propose.
Could someone explain it to me? It's fine if not, since I'm pretty sure I'm not more significant in this matter than most any other non-staff member user.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Bem, eu estava navegando pelos perfis uma vez e notei isso. (parte em negrito)

Já que esse feito é aceito como tendo acontecido (mesmo que provavelmente), isso não deveria ser um enredo hax? Pelo que eu posso ver, parece ser um enredo hax de livro didático.

Flowey alterando a introdução da história/roteiro e mudando-a para que todos desapareçam.

"Só ele mudar o texto não significa que algo aconteceu" - quero dizer, atualmente é aceito que isso aconteceu, já que está na justificativa, caso contrário eu nem faria esse crt.

"Ele poderia ter apagado todo mundo e então feito o texto" - Quer dizer, acho que pode ser isso? Embora eu ache que é mais uma suposição do que a suposição que estou fazendo. Flowey já muda o jogo em um nível metaficcional com textos e os próprios arquivos do jogo, para mim não parece um grande salto de lógica (trocou a introdução da história -> realmente apenas um vazio sem nada)

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Why the language of ur crt has been suddenly changed valho.
 
Imaginym said:
Apologies, but I'm interested in this CRT, but I'm having a bit of difficulty what it's arguing to propose.
Could someone explain it to me? It's fine if not, since I'm pretty sure I'm not more significant in this matter than most any other non-staff member user.
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Plot hax

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Why the language of ur crt has been suddenly changed valho.
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I fixed it. I don't know why this happened.
 
Reading the opening post anew, I guess it seems reasonable, so it has my support, for what that's worth.

Though I'm not 100% sure what is meant by the following: "(changed the story intro -> really just a void with nothing)".

Flowey turned the story intro to an empty void?
 
Imaginym said:
Reading the opening post anew, I guess it seems reasonable, so it has my support, for what that's worth.

Though I'm not 100% sure what is meant by the following: "(changed the story intro -> really just a void with nothing)".

Flowey turned the story intro to an empty void?
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Just a quick recap of the feat. He changed the intro to have them all disappear and then we appear in a void. As a reminder, the change in the story had immediate visual effects.
 
As someone who doesn't gaf about this, how does this affect Chara's NEP?

Does it give Aspect Type 5 in terms of Plot, or we assume that the plot is unbound by the files here?
 
StrymULTRA said:
Does it give Aspect Type 5 in terms of Plot, or we assume that the plot is unbound by the files here?
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Plot is not linked to info 2/files.

Plot is one of the ways Flowr can change that world, but the plot is not necessarily part of the structure of that world. For example, imagine in verse x someone changing the universe in a narrative way, altering the script of the universe, etc., would you say that someone who can destroy that universe or is nonexistent to that universe would gain some power related to the plot? No, because it has more to do with the way the character's power changes the world than with the structure of the world itself.

It would be different if, for example, instead of a game, Undertale were a book (for illustration: like a universe in Sonic or grimoires in Castlevania), and Chara was actually nonexistent in the narrative and did not appear in the words/story told in the book. Well, that's my view. If you have any doubts, I think it would be best to ask some staff. Unfortunately, the only staff I know with a lot of experience in plot hax is not interested in this verse.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Plot is not linked to info 2/files.

Plot is one of the ways Flowr can change that world, but the plot is not necessarily part of the structure of that world. For example, imagine in verse x someone changing the universe in a narrative way, altering the script of the universe, etc., would you say that someone who can destroy that universe or is nonexistent to that universe would gain some power related to the plot? No, because it has more to do with the way the character's power changes the world than with the structure of the world itself.
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Yeah I got it mixed to DDLC fsr, though in that case the script is explicitly a file.

I do not feel too strongly about this either, so do whatever tbf. Was just giving food for thought.
 
StrymULTRA said:
Yeah I got it mixed to DDLC fsr, though in that case the script is explicitly a file.

I do not feel too strongly about this either, so do whatever tbf. Was just giving food for thought.
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It's always a bit tricky.

Since info2/narrative can work on a metafictional level, then the barrier between what is one and what is the other or if they are linked gets a bit hazy.

Like the example you gave, of Doki explicitly having a file being a script.

I'm not the biggest plot expert either, so if after this crt you want to delve deeper into it, I don't mind the outcome.
 
TheOrangeGuy09 said:
Reiner is generous today from what I see?
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Me always generous...
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Reiner04 said:
Me always generous...
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Reiner, you can close. Thank you for everyone's time.
 
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