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Ben 10 General Discussion Thread

Hagane_no_Saiyajin said:
True, but it’s still inconsistent, like how Grandpa Max feels old and tired in one episode but then is able knock a follower of the Great One of his hoverboard in another, and Gwen isn’t even a plumber and without magic she able to harm Future Dr. Animo in one episode but then is threatened by possibly falling off the Washington Monument in another?

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Really though does Ben 10 work on Looney Toons logic like Fairy Odd Parents?
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Them being that strong is just more consistent than otherwise, that's all, the Aliens themselves have as much of such moments as the Human cast tbh
 
Omegabronic said:
being honest? From watching his breakdowns is why i realised Humans in Ben 10 are just OP given the amount of stuff they can do against Aliens... The Human Plumbers specially
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I would say this is an example of how one would like to understand the material. A more "grounded" explanation would just be that the writers don't care that much, or at least, weren't able to properly depict the characters as they "intended" them to be (Especially when you read some of the Q&A, I know some would just laugh at Ben 10 characters being FTL when they are a more serious sci-fi writer that disagrees with anything being even SoL without warpdrivers).

But at the same time, it happened. At that point, it's a question of how you handle the inconsistent portrayals. I think most other places would just put anything like that as serious narrative breaking "outliers", since there are too many plot points that just fall apart by having that power level. Still, it's a problem for the writers to have written the series like that, even if more often than not, it is just a case of production being hard.
 
Executor_N0 said:
But at the same time, it happened. At that point, it's a question of how you handle the inconsistent portrayals. I think most other places would just put anything like that as serious narrative breaking "outliers", since there are too many plot points that just fall apart by having that power level. Still, it's a problem for the writers to have written the series like that, even if more often than not, it is just a case of production being hard.
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Hence why we might as well give characters Toon Force
 
I'm saving Executor N0 response to give it to those people who I know online hates power scaling & deem it non-realistic and proceed to make videos like these.
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OK so I somehow neglected to check this thread for like 5 months LMAO

So everyone’s Tier 4 now, huh? Neat. As y’all might remember I was against 5-B/5-A Ben 10 for it feeling too outliery and it relying on a wacky downscaling chain, but at least in this case the downscaling’s pretty reasonable and most of the OS cast aren’t fully scaling to it. Also base Ben soloing all of DBZ is really funny so I’ll let it slide lol
 
Oh yeah, about my really old Eon overhaul that I still haven’t finished…

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Ghengiroo115/sandbox Eyawn

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Aside from the obviously unfinished or outdated stuff, is there anything I should add to the profile? Part of me also wonders if there’s any way for me to scale Prime Eon to Paradox’s powers…
 
Omegabronic said:
nah, Regen, she can't do anything until he grows enough to beat her, neither can Base Ben btw
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Oh yeah mb, I forgot how good Cell’s regen is. My pea brain just saw big number and went on autopilot.

Though in the case of Ben, idk if the Omnitrix’s energy projection counts as “base” (as it’s just a standard weapon at that point rather than a full transformation) but if you counted that then couldn’t Ben win that way?
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Oh yeah mb, I forgot how good Cell’s regen is. My pea brain just saw big number and went on autopilot.

Though in the case of Ben, idk if the Omnitrix’s energy projection counts as “base” (as it’s just a standard weapon at that point rather than a full transformation) but if you counted that then couldn’t Ben win that way?
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I Mean... maybe? Still unlikely Ultimate Alien Ben just copies Cell and then becomes Ultimate Cell for a GG
 
Oh nice, I was just looking at Eon’s current profile to see if he recently gained any abilities not yet in my sandbox and I noticed he has abilities from RAT. That means I probs don’t need to add a whole section in my overhaul to justify why RAT should be considered canon anymore.
 
Woomica said:
why would it be outlier? is there anything that limits ben 10 from having tier 4 scaling
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How much higher do you insist to go with these characters? Do they not necessarily have a cap for anything when it comes to what they can consistently do on their own?
 
Note: While certain aspects of Eon's original appearance in Race Against Time are seemingly contradicted in the main series, this page considers his showings there for a few reasons:

  • The events of Race Against Time are [directly referenced] in Eon's main series debut, and it's made clear the Eon in the main series is the same one seen in the Race Against Time timeline. Furthermore, [his UA appearance is even once acknowledged as a Chronian].
  • His showings in RAT alongside various statement about the Chronians add a lot of useful context to certain abilities in the main series. Most notably, it suggests that the Eon in UA is simply a prime Eon who siphons life force from the Bens he controls. Without RAT, we have no explanation for how exactly Eon siphons power from alternate Bens or why it makes him so powerful.
  • While Eon being an alternate Ben seemingly contradicts his Chronian origin, him being a variant of Ben was already implied in RAT. Not only [does he verbatim claim so] (which based on the present tense and Ben's reaction implies more than him just taking over Ben's body), but he's also stated to [have an intimate amount of knowledge about the Omnitrix] which implies previous use.

Scans will be added later, but I wrote a note for my sandbox to explain why RAT stuff is used. I think the wording can be a lot better, but does anyone have any thoughts on what's written right now?
 
Sorry for kinda spamming the thread, but I need help porting some scans to Imgurr (one, two, three). Tried doing it myself but it didn't work, and I ain't technologically sound enough to figure out what to do lol
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
Note: While certain aspects of Eon's original appearance in Race Against Time are seemingly contradicted in the main series, this page considers his showings there for a few reasons:

  • The events of Race Against Time are [directly referenced] in Eon's main series debut, and it's made clear the Eon in the main series is the same one seen in the Race Against Time timeline. Furthermore, [his UA appearance is even once acknowledged as a Chronian].
  • His showings in RAT alongside various statement about the Chronians add a lot of useful context to certain abilities in the main series. Most notably, it suggests that the Eon in UA is simply a prime Eon who siphons life force from the Bens he controls. Without RAT, we have no explanation for how exactly Eon siphons power from alternate Bens or why it makes him so powerful.
  • While Eon being an alternate Ben seemingly contradicts his Chronian origin, him being a variant of Ben was already implied in RAT. Not only [does he verbatim claim so] (which based on the present tense and Ben's reaction implies more than him just taking over Ben's body), but he's also stated to [have an intimate amount of knowledge about the Omnitrix] which implies previous use.

Scans will be added later, but I wrote a note for my sandbox to explain why RAT stuff is used. I think the wording can be a lot better, but does anyone have any thoughts on what's written right now?
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his UA appearance is even once acknowledged as a Chronian
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... when? First i hear this
 
Omegabronic said:
... when? First i hear this
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DVD bio thingy.

I wish there was more than just this as that on its own isn't the best evidence imo, but with the vague mess that is Eon you kinda just gotta take a bunch of things and try to find the best solution.

Apollonir.Scale said:
Wasn't it already canon? It was one of the movies I watched on CN every holiday when I was a kid. I thought it was canon since it was Eon's first appearance.
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In Eon's Ultimate Alien episode it's referenced as an alternate timeline. The big problem is that Eon being a Chronian is vital to the plot, so if that's no longer the case with him being an alternate Ben it means the whole movie breaks apart. I personally see him as both a Chronian and a Ben as that way both interpretations work mostly well.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
DVD bio thingy.

I wish there was more than just this as that on its own isn't the best evidence imo, but with the vague mess that is Eon you kinda just gotta take a bunch of things and try to find the best solution.
In Eon's Ultimate Alien episode it's referenced as an alternate timeline. The big problem is that Eon being a Chronian is vital to the plot, so if that's no longer the case with him being an alternate Ben it means the whole movie breaks apart. I personally see him as both a Chronian and a Ben as that way both interpretations work mostly well.
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Being honest... is he being a Chronian even contradictory to him being an alternate Ben? With Infinite universes... i assume there would be at least one where Ben is simply not human i mean he is part Anodyte anyway, so
 
Omegabronic said:
Being honest... is he being a Chronian even contradictory to him being an alternate Ben? With Infinite universes... i assume there would be at least one where Ben is simply not human i mean he is part Anodyte anyway, so
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That's how I see it, yeah.

Apollonir.Scale said:
I see. We accept Vilgax to Attacks from the games as canon, right?
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I believe so
 
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