Maou Gakuin Discussion Thread

[EldemadeDityjon]

An example of this is a cage with a dog inside. When you open the cage and use the dog to protect the cage from a thief, the dog will act as a shield to protect its cage. But the dog and the cage are not the same thing.

Really had analogy but I don't have any more free time to explain everything word by word to you.

Can you provide a straight text that says the Graham source merged with the Anos source?

There is already a thread which accepted his NEP. You can feel free to read it.

 

[Echitesu]

Never stated as pulled out. Another headcanon from your end. He contextually meant Graham's source acts as a defence against others attacks nothing states he pulled out Graham source there.

I apologize for using the wrong word. It would be more correct for Anos to use Graham's source as a shield. If you use something as a shield to protect yourself, that thing must not be yourself but something separate from you.
Besides, the author also intends that the Anos source and Graham source have not yet merged. That is shown when the author still calls these two things separately.

He tore his chest with his left hand, threw the Gokokukai Ashes Demon Cannon Egil Grone Angdroa in his right hand into his own source, and made the Seizing Demon Hand Reion fail and explode.

　He alleviated it with Graham's nothingness, and destroyed it with my destruction.

　Immediately after that, the Doomsday Fire released from the Seizing Demon Hand Reion raged. In the blink of an eye, heaven and earth turned to ashes, and the blood of the Demon King spilled out into the sea of trees.

 

[Echitesu]

There is already a thread which accepted his NEP. You can feel free to read it.

I've read and other than evidence of source Graham being absorbed and imprisoned in source Anos there's been no fusion.

 

[ROZAN-U]

I apologize for using the wrong word. It would be more correct for Anos to use Graham's source as a shield. If you use something as a shield to protect yourself, that thing must not be yourself but something separate from you.
Besides, the author also intends that the Anos source and Graham source have not yet merged. That is shown when the author still calls these two things separately.

I've read and other than evidence of source Graham being absorbed and imprisoned in source Anos there's been no fusion.

why would there be fusion? nothing and destruction are of different nature , even chaos and destruction nature of anos are different despite his source being both.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

someone needs to get OUT from this thread..

 

[Deleted member 40129]

someone needs to get OUT from this thread..

Who is that guy, though? Welp, NEP again.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Who is that guy, though? Welp, NEP again.

No pfp no nothing and I can feel the fact something is wrong with them around

 

[Deleted member 40129]

No pfp no nothing and I can feel the fact something is wrong with them around

I zee... I don't know who you are talking about, but I am interested in the tea. Net is slow though, so would likely just watch and sip my tea
(I tried attaching a meme but gave up halfway through. Pokhara is calming, though)

 

[Echitesu]

nothing and destruction are of different nature

The problem is that the Anos source and the Graham source are opposites and cannot be merged.

 

[ROZAN-U]

The problem is that the Anos source and the Graham source are opposites and cannot be merged.

no they are not opposite , all three are just of different nature.
if you want to go philosophical , Chaos is the state of emptiness before creation and also embodies disorder & destruction

 

[DemonKing021]

I zee... I don't know who you are talking about, but I am interested in the tea. Net is slow though, so would likely just watch and sip my tea
(I tried attaching a meme but gave up halfway through. Pokhara is calming, though)

Did you leave discord or something? You aren't online for two days. I thought you went to the place where you're friend is.

Also what is "Pokhara"?

 

[Deleted member 40129]

Did you leave discord or something? You aren't online for two days. I thought you went to the place where you're friend is.

Also what is "Pokhara"?

I will be off for two months or so. Pokhara is a place in Nepal. After my exams and tour is over, I should be back. I am using my uncle's neighbor's wifi. Tough economy in my uncle's house.
(Welp, time to go NEP again)

 

[DemonKing021]

why would there be fusion? nothing and destruction are of different nature , even chaos and destruction nature of anos are different despite his source being both.

Question, doesn't the fact that Equis can communicate with Anos using his non existent link with Graham's nothingness imply both Anos and Graham's source are mixed together?

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

The problem is that the Anos source and the Graham source are opposites and cannot be merged.

this isn't even any level of true what is WRONG with you??

 

[DemonKing021]

this isn't even any level of true what is WRONG with you??

Not to mention, Graham literally considers both of them similar based on their true nature. Graham has nothingness and Anos has destruction (Chaotic).

I mean if you think about it, in the Millitia world destruction is defined as the reduction of something to nothing which is Graham's true nature.

 

[Deleted member 40129]

I am loving the tea~

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

this isn't even any level of true what is WRONG with you??

Not even implied, not even stated, not even THOUGHT ABOUT, IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE WEIGHT.

IN FACT, IT'S JUST ABOUT THE OTHER WAY AROUND THAT IT'S THOSE THINGS. WHICH IS THE ENTIRE NARRATIVE POINT?? Conversation should've been over cause who da hell??

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

The problem is that the Anos source and the Graham source are opposites and cannot be merged.

First of all, Anos wouldn't be carrying Graham around if his Source is not merged. It really doesn't make sense for Nothingness to move around on its own.

If he takes out Graham, he can just come back to life as his True Nature is Nothingness, and it would just regenerate his body on its own when an opportunity arises. Anos also uses Reincarnation Replica or whatever spell, and still, it moved both Graham and Anos's Source back to Noah's body, while Ron Cruz's Source was moved to Anos's body. It also doesn't make sense for them to not be coexisting as one if what you say is true. So your interpretation leans as a headcanon about Anos taking out Graham's Source during his confrontation against Anahem.

Second, "just because they are opposite nature, they can't be merged" isn't an argument worth discussing, as Non-Duality exists in our wiki. Merging opposite natures isn't an anti-feat for this. Also what @ROZAN-U said about Chaos.

Already addressed possibility of Anos's Source for having both Destruction and NEP on its own due to him being the Lion of Destruction, whose true existence has been shown to miss some aspects of existence. You also ducked and never tried to talk about the scans I sent.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Besides, the author also intends that the Anos source and Graham source have not yet merged.

The author didn't say anything about two different Sources here? Where did you get his was talking about two different Sources here?

Destruction and Nothingness are not Sources; it's the power that's been talked about in your scans.

That is shown when the author still calls these two things separately.

Because Destruction and NEP are different things?

Nothing here even addresses why they are not merged. Just because two different natures are addressed differently doesn't mean they don’t coexist in a single Source. You are also ignoring that this was mentioned after Anos threw EGA into his own Source. His Source contains Graham's NEP and his own Destruction coexisting at the same time. So his Source has both things and is referred to as a single Source currently.

Your own scan even shows this.

 

[Echitesu]

Already addressed possibility of Anos's Source for having both Destruction and NEP on its own due to him being the Lion of Destruction, whose true existence has been shown to miss some aspects of existence. You also ducked and never tried to talk about the scans I sent.

I didn't reply to your scans because what I care about is "nep2 layer" not "nep2 baseline"

His Source contains Graham's NEP and his own Destruction coexisting at the same time. So his Source has both things and is referred to as a single Source currently.

Whether Anos throws EGA at his source is irrelevant, it's like throwing a beehive at a cage with a dog in it. The essence is still captivity.

Destruction and Nothingness are not Sources

Even an outsider like me knows that Anos source is Destruction and Graham source is Nothingness, man.

“I’m surprised you noticed,” Graham said. His voice seemed to be coming out of nowhere and everywhere at once. “Indeed, just like how your source is one of destruction, mine is one of nihility. The closer I approach destruction, the more of that power is brought out, and the more I return to my original state of nothingness.”

Anos wouldn't be carrying Graham around if his Source is not merged

Why not when Anos's purpose was only to imprison him to avenge his parents' death? Anos' purpose was never to combine source Graham.

no they are not opposite , all three are just of different nature.

Are you sure?

“Did you believe I wouldn’t be able to use Veneziara without Ceris Voldigoad’s head?” Graham asked. He had cast the spell just before his body was reduced to ashes. “Right now, the destruction in your source and the nihility in mine are struggling for dominance. Mine brings yours closer to nothingness, while yours brings mine closer to destruction. We will perish and return to nothingness for eternity, just like you wanted.”

 

[ROZAN-U]

Are you sure?

what is this suppose to prove? two nature are supposed struggling for dominance(which is what graham believes) isn't them being contrary.
the statement you shared literally says different from them being contrary, destruction leads to nothingness and nothingness brings destruction closer to nothingness.

Mine brings yours closer to nothingness, while yours brings mine closer to destruction. We will perish and return to nothingness for eternity, just like you wanted.”

anyway all this is what graham believe what would happen when anos incorporates his nothingness into his source
but in truth it was immediately overpowered so it was all graham delusion
"Your source was immediately overpowered within mine. All that's left of
you is this body you made of mere possibilities," I explained, staring into his
Eyes that were wide with despair.

Even an outsider like me knows that Anos source is Destruction and Graham source is Nothingness, man.

did you even read what he said? destruction and nothing are nature of things not a source ,their source embodies this nature thus able to exhibit power of this nature.
by saying Anos source is destruction(and only his source which is what you're implying above) you're forgetting other being like gods of destruction who also embody destruction as their order.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

I didn't reply to your scans because what I care about is "nep2 layer" not "nep2 baseline"

NEP layers were already discussed because Graham's source would have that many layers due to being destroyed inside Anos' source, and a character would need to bypass them.

Whether Anos throws EGA at his source is irrelevant, it's like throwing a beehive at a cage with a dog in it. The essence is still captivity.

Bad analogy again.

It also doesn’t say it was thrown at his source; it was stated inside his source. Read the scans properly before making your arguments.
Same scan you sent

He tore his chest with his left hand, threw the Gokokukai Ashes Demon Cannon Egil Grone Angdroa in his right hand into his own source, and made the Seizing Demon Hand Reion fail and explode.

Here is the dictionary. Help yourself.

into

1. to the inside or middle of a place, container, area, etc.: 2. used to show…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Even an outsider like me knows that Anos source is Destruction and Graham source is Nothingness, man.

Man, maybe take some time to re-read your own scan instead of acting like you know what you're talking about, especially after admitting you've never read the series.

“I’m surprised you noticed,” Graham said. His voice seemed to be coming out of nowhere and everywhere at once. “Indeed, just like how your source is one of destruction, mine is one of nihility. The closer I approach destruction, the more of that power is brought out, and the more I return to my original state of nothingness.”

He was talking about the nature of the sources here. Normal sources don’t contain any unique aspects. So stop acting like you know better than me without even reading the series yourself.

The Source of Destruction and Nothingness are names given to the sources of certain individuals. Even Celis has a Source of Destruction. Despite that, his source utilizes lightning, while Anos uses a different type of destruction power.

To support my claim even Anos himself admits his source contains Destruction.

Just like how Kaihilam’s source carried curses and Aeges’s source carried his power to control blood, my source contained destruction. The closer I approached destruction, the greater that power increased. So what would happen if I actually perished? The magic could swell infinitely and remain afterwards, beyond even my existence. That was the feeling I had about it, anyway.

Why not when Anos's purpose was only to imprison him to avenge his parents' death? Anos' purpose was never to combine source Graham.

Why would purpose would have anything with coexisting?

 

[Echitesu]

It also doesn’t say it was thrown at his source; it was stated inside his source.

Let's say it was thrown into the Anos source, then the Graham source would be imprisoned "inside" the Anos source, causing EGA to return to nothingness. If the Graham source had already merged with the Anos source, then the EGA that had just come into contact with the Anos source would have turned to nothingness, not waiting until it got "inside" the Anos source to turn to nothingness.

He was talking about the nature of the sources here. Normal sources don’t contain any unique aspects. So stop acting like you know better than me without even reading the series yourself.

I feel like I'm more knowledgeable than you after seeing your comment. The author clearly mentioned source Anos = destruction, source Graham = nothingness even in nature. The nature of source Anos is Chaos so source Anos is Chaos lacking all order.

The Source of Destruction and Nothingness are names given to the sources of certain individuals. Even Celis has a Source of Destruction. Despite that, his source utilizes lightning, while Anos uses a different type of destruction power.

Source Celis is destruction and lightning at the same time. Like source Anos is simultaneously destruction and chaos

To support my claim even Anos himself admits his source contains Destruction.

Because source Anos is destruction, it generates destructive energy.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Let's say it was thrown into the Anos source, then the Graham source would be imprisoned "inside" the Anos source, causing EGA to return to nothingness. If the Graham source had already merged with the Anos source, then the EGA that had just come into contact with the Anos source would have turned to nothingness, not waiting until it got "inside" the Anos source to turn to nothingness.

I don't even know where to start explaining to you, as you constantly ignore and change your arguments to make more extraordinary claims without any backup.

EGA can interact with Graham's NEP. Its being turned into nothingness is a side effect of the different nature of Graham's non-existent nature. Existence and Void are different things here. So EGA not being turned into nothingness from the beginning has nothing to do with whatever you're trying to say.

Anos' Source and Graham's Source already coexist as one. Whatever spell or technique Anos uses on his Source also applies to Graham's Source, which I already explained with Anos moving himself into Noah's body.

I feel like I'm more knowledgeable than you after seeing your comment.

Keep feeling it without giving any scans to back up headcanons or misconception you make.

The author clearly mentioned source Anos = destruction, source Graham = nothingness even in nature. The nature of source Anos is Chaos so source Anos is Chaos lacking all order.

Why are you changing the arguments everytime you get cornered?

Source Celis is destruction and lightning at the same time. Like source Anos is simultaneously destruction and chaos

So you are conceding a source can have different Nature.
So Anos source having destruction and NEP isn't anything far fetched.

Because source Anos is destruction, it generates destructive energy.

You are contradicting with your arguments.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

can't find tbh , I remember a thread talking about this:
source of demon/humans: CM3
source of spirits: CM2
source of gods : CM1

Where was the source accepted as concept type 1 or 2 ?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Where was the source accepted as concept type 1 or 2 ?

Currently it's not accepted as Type 1 or 2 because of lack of material. You gotta wait for another year for it.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Where was the source accepted as concept type 1 or 2 ?

You actually came back many months later for this

What are you trying to do

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

You actually came back many months later for this

What are you trying to do

Asking for the strongest list

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Guy I’m new here is it true that anos speed is Countless inf layer 2nd temporal dimensions?

...what???

what the hell are you talking about

 

[Huesito88]

...what???

what the hell are you talking about

There's layers in immeasurable speed and he's asking if Anos is that many layers into immeasurable speed (though I think he miss typed by writing "2nd")

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

There's layers in immeasurable speed and he's asking if Anos is that many layers into immeasurable speed (though I think he miss typed by writing "2nd")

Yeah I know that but at the same time I look at their profile and it doesn't give me good vibes, LMAO

the one guy before in this thread who randomly came up being 'new to this site' doesn't make me feel better either when we're getting actively questioned on something

 

[Cloelolo_60021]

There's layers in immeasurable speed and he's asking if Anos is that many layers into immeasurable speed (though I think he miss typed by writing "2nd")

Thank u, that what Im trying to say, is his Immeasurable speed is countless layers in 2nd temporal dimensions degree?

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Thank u, that what Im trying to say, is his Immeasurable speed is countless layers in 2nd temporal dimensions degree?

I'm assuming english isn't your first language, so sorry for coming off as antagonistic before, but on the profiles right now there is nothing like that for any character

 

[Cloelolo_60021]

I'm assuming english isn't your first language, so sorry for coming off as antagonistic before, but on the profiles right now there is nothing like that for any character

It’s okay, and thank you

 

[Cloelolo_60021]

I have a question there are Hypertimeline or 2nd temporal dimensions In Maou Gakuin LN but has no crt yet?

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

I have a question there are Hypertimeline or 2nd temporal dimensions In Maou Gakuin LN but has no crt yet?

can't answer for the first one in a general sense but honestly should keep wait, otherwise we're still waiting ourselves for more volumes to get their TL's

 

[ROZAN-U]

I have a question there are Hypertimeline or 2nd temporal dimensions In Maou Gakuin LN but has no crt yet?

no ,unless you treat order of time as one

 

[Cloelolo_60021]

no ,unless you treat order of time as one

can't answer for the first one in a general sense but honestly should keep wait, otherwise we're still waiting ourselves for more volumes to get their TL's

Thanks so much, cuz MKG fandom in my country keep spreading these wank said there’s 4 spatial dimension + 2ND temporal in MKG, but I think it’s just 5+1st temporal dimension

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Thanks so much, cuz MKG fandom in my country keep spreading these wank said there’s 4 spatial dimension + 2ND temporal in MKG, but I think it’s just 5+1st temporal dimension

because the fandom isn't the greatest (aside from like a good many people) and they are all over potential wank that the character writing and overall themes go over their head, lmao

^ this is about the generalization on mgk wank by the way, not what you were talking about

regardless, as anos says, look deeper into the abyss!!

 

[Cloelolo_60021]

because the fandom isn't the greatest (aside from like a good many people) and they are all over potential wank that the character writing and overall themes go over their head, lmao

^ this is about the generalization on mgk wank by the way, not what you were talking about

regardless, as anos says, look deeper into the abyss!!

That’s why I often ask for information here, because I feel here it’s the most reliable