Fix the Ink Machine (Bendy Verse Clean-Up Thread)

[InkyBattles]

Not even a major difference

For souls and minds which fits what Joey is in dark revival.
He's not non-existent

We have no idea what those things are and the game isn't even out yet we should only really focus on what has actually released.

The scene literally shows him getting shocked.

Also, Audrey apologized for hurting him. If she didn't inflict any harm on him, why is she apologizing for it?

Edit: on the shipahoy Dudley point. Him getting hurt by the Wilson head getting hurt proves they are one and the same he's no reeling back because of the "force" Audrey put on him it's because she's hitting a weak spot on his body that's obviously connected to him.
(I mean Wilson literally being pushed into the machine that was meant to fuse people with it should have been enough to show they are literally one and the same)

And if Audrey can harm Ship-Ahoy Wilson this future proves that he’s not universe level+ as Audrey’s physical attacks are wall to small building level so is Wilson’s.

 

[HASE-1929]

Wilson states that the machine swaps the “soul” of one person into Ship-Ahoy Dudley in order to control it. However, becoming a mindless soulless being like the Ink Demon. He dosnt state that it merges their vessel together.

Judging by the fact that the sign next to the machine he was pushed it said he was accepted.
Arguing they are separate is completely dishonest and goes against what the game shows us

Exactly, it isn’t a major much like Ship-Ahoy Dudley’s different colors of ink isn’t a major difference you basically proved my whole point.

He's one of the only ink creatures in the cycle that isn't just black and yellow, which makes him stand out. Also, judging by the fact that the blueprints of the machine and the thing Wilson was pushed into was connected to the machine, it's pretty clear that Wilson had altered the machine in some way to get the results he wanted. So yeah shipahoy Dudley would be special in comparison to literal randoms in the cycle

And if Audrey can harm Ship-Ahoy Wilson this future proves that he’s not universe level+ as Audrey’s physical attacks are wall to small building level so is Wilson’s.

She only hurts him when she hits a weak spot. If she hits him anywhere else, it doesn't hurt him.

He’s states that he is a memory. A memory and a soul are two different things. And Memories are non-existent which is why he’s able to phase through physical objects such as doors in the first place.

Memories/thoughts are connected to souls in bendy.
Allison says when she was in the ink she was just thoughts and we know the ink directly targets the soul.

want to believe but I don’t see him getting touch my her banish. And Audrey is apologizing because regardless of if you almost hurt someone or latterly hurt someone it is always respectful to apologize on your behalf. There were many times where I almost ran into someone or almost hurt someone and apologized.

It literally does hit him, though. Also, the archives statement still exists; you can't really disregard that.

I don't know why you're arguing against something that was shown in the game and saying it didn't happen.

 

[InkyBattles]

Judging by the fact that the sign next to the machine he was pushed it said he was accepted.
Yeah they were merged.

He definitely wasn’t as his remains were laying outside of the machine when that happened.

He's one of the only ink creatures in the cycle that isn't just black and yellow, which makes him stand out. Also, judging by the fact that the blueprints of the machine and the thing Wilson was pushed into was connected to the machine, it's pretty clear that Wilson had altered the machine in some way to get the results he wanted. So yeah shipahoy Dudley would be special in comparison to literal randoms in the cycle

And? the the Cage characters are some of the only Ink Monsters with blood. Also the blueprints could use more context because it could mean a lot of things, is he taking elements from the Ink Machine? Is her altering the Ink Machine? Or is he taking some of the Ink Machine capablies? We don’t know.

She only hurts him when she hits a weak spot. If she hits him anywhere else, it doesn't hurt him.

Not even then because he didn’t scream in pain like he did when Bendy harmed him.

Memories/thoughts are connected to souls in bendy.
Allison says when she was in the ink she was just thoughts and we know the ink directly targets the soul.

This only apply to when inside the Ink for other Ink Monsters. Joey was outside of the Ink and still remained a memory.

It literally does hit him, though. Also, the archives statement still exists; you can't really disregard that.

I don't know why you're arguing against something that was shown in the game and saying it didn't happen.

Because actions speak louder than words, and no matter how many times I go back and rewatch that part I NEVER see it happen.

 

[HASE-1929]

He definitely wasn’t as his remains were laying outside of the machine when that happened.

Yeah because its meant to take the soul. Wilson's remains being outside the machine doesn't mean he didn't merg with shipahoy Dudley.

Also the blueprints could use more context because it could mean a lot of things, is he taking elements from the Ink Machine? Is her altering the Ink Machine? Or is he taking some of the Ink Machine capablies? We don’t know.

It's in the same room that Wilsons machine was in.
And the area shipahoy Dudley was born in was an area directly below the machine it's obviously meant for shipahoy Dudley.

Not even then because he didn’t scream in pain like he did when Bendy harmed him

It doesn't matter if he screams or not; his body shakes when you hit Wilson's head.

It's not because of the force or the fact that he's "off balance"—which he isn't. He just throws his anchor back too fast, and his top half is leaning backwards.

And when he's stuck towards, if you hit him, he doesn't react because you aren't hitting Wilson's head

This only apply to when inside the Ink for other Ink Monsters. Joey was outside of the Ink and still remained a memory.

That doesn't even go against what i said.
I said souls and memories are connected in bendy what you just said doesn't disprove anything.

Bcause actions speak louder than words, and no matter how many times I go back and rewatch that part I NEVER see it happen.

Slow down the video (which you wouldn't even need to do you literally see him get hit no one reels back like that and looks at their hand if they didn't)

 

[InkyBattles]

Yeah because its meant to take the soul. Wilson's remains being outside the machine doesn't mean he didn't merg with shipahoy Dudley.

Yes it does. A soul and a body are different. Becuase it proves that his soul merged into Dudley but his body remained wasn’t.

It's in the same room that Wilsons machine was in.
And the area shipahoy Dudley was born in was an area directly below the machine it's obviously meant for shipahoy Dudley.

Still the blueprints could use more context because again he is taking elements from the Ink Machine? He is altering the Ink Machine? Or he is taking some of the Ink Machine capablies in order to create Dudley. The blueprint doesn't imply which one of these it is.

It doesn't matter if he screams or not; his body shakes when you hit Wilson's head.

It does because that is how we know Dudley is hurt.

It's not because of the force or the fact that he's "off balance"—which he isn't. He just throws his anchor back too fast, and his top half is leaning backwards.

Yes, which caused him to be off valence. It dosnt matter why he was learning backwards scientifically learning backwards makes it harder to keep balance. Much like standing on one legs does the reason what caused it dosnt change that fact.

And when he's stuck towards, if you hit him, he doesn't react because you aren't hitting Wilson's head

Because he isn’t learning backwards.

He isn’t learning backwards so it would be easier for him to keep balance I suppose.
That doesn't even go against what i said.
I said souls and memories are connected in bendy what you just said doesn't disprove anything.

It does. You’re taking about ink monsters being souls inside the Ink where they don’t have physical bodies. I’m talking about Joey Drew having a non-physical body outside of the Ink and inside the Cycle itself. Outside and inside are two different thing.

That doesn't even go against what i said.
I said souls and memories are connected in bendy what you just said doesn't disprove anything.

And this does disprove your argument because existing inside of the Ink which is non-existent and existing inside of the Cycle outside of the Ink are two different places.
You will need to prove that the other Ink Monsters are thoughts and memories outside of the Ink like Joey Drew is, not inside of the Ink.

Slow down the video (which you wouldn't even need to do you literally see him get hit no one reels back like that and looks at their hand if they didn't)

Still don’t see any difference, unfortunately.

 

[HASE-1929]

Yes it does. A soul and a body are different. Becuase it proves that his soul merged into Dudley but his body remained wasn’t.

That doesn't matter the pieces of Wilson are still attached to shipahoy Dudley.
Those two parts are one and the same.
Also what does the body pieces on the outside of the machine actually prove?
It literally proves nothing

Still the blueprints could use more context because again he is taking elements from the Ink Machine? He is altering the Ink Machine? Or he is taking some of the Ink Machine capablies in order to create Dudley. The blueprint doesn't imply which one of these it is.

Actually it does and you didn't go against anything I just said you only restated what you said before.

which caused him to be off valence. It dosnt matter why he was learning backwards scientifically learning backwards makes it harder to keep balance. Much like standing on one legs does the reason what caused it dosnt change that fact.

Because he isn’t learning backwards.

If something starts pounding on my back while I'm leaning forward, I'm going to fall. And guess what happens when Audrey hits him while he's leaning forward?

Nothing. So he isn't shaking because Audrey is putting immense pressure on him while he's leaning backwards—he's shaking because she's hitting a weak spot Also, if that part wasn't attached to him or connected to him, he wouldn't flinch at all if it got hit, but he does.

It does. You’re taking about ink monsters being souls inside the Ink where they don’t have physical bodies. I’m talking about Joey Drew having a non-physical body outside of the Ink and inside the Cycle itself. Outside and inside are two different thing.

And this does disprove your argument because existing inside of the Ink which is non-existent and existing inside of the Cycle outside of the Ink are two different places.
You will need to prove that the other Ink Monsters are thoughts and memories outside of the Ink like Joey Drew is, not inside of the Ink.

He's not "non-existent" he's literally Joey's memories given a form which goes against him being non-existent he's literally made out of ink meaning he's very real.
Also the ink gives souls in bendy form
But this is completely irrelevant to the main point so I won't continue on this specific part.

Still don’t see any difference, unfortunately.

His arm literally gets launched backward as soon as it happens, and he grabs his arm in visible pain.

He needs to move his hands before it goes off, but that never happens—he moves them after it suddenly happens and hits his hand.

Also, that's what unseals Bendy, as the archives say. So you can't say "actions speak louder than words" when the actions are doing the exact same thing the words are saying.

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I'm gonna be honest, all of your points seem like you're just nitpicking really small things. For example, Shipahoy Dudley not groaning when Wilson's head is hit, or the minor pieces of Wilson left on the floor after he was cut up.
And it's literally going nowhere and dragging out the crt

 

[InkyBattles]

That doesn't matter the pieces of Wilson are still attached to shipahoy Dudley.
Those two parts are one and the same.
Also what does the body pieces on the outside of the machine actually prove?
It literally proves nothing

It proves that the machine itself didn't merge Wilson’s body are else the pieces would have gone into with the rest of Ship-Ahoy Wilson.

Actually it does and you didn't go against anything I just said you only restated what you said before.

My whole point that banish doesn’t affect Wilson and Ship-Ahoy Wilson despite banishing the entirety of an ink monster making them separate bodies still stands which I why I restated it. You’re only argument you have provided is that Ship-Ahoy Wilson is different from other Ink Monsters which proves nothing as all Ink Monsters are different as I have already explained.

If something starts pounding on my back while I'm leaning forward, I'm going to fall. And guess what happens when Audrey hits him while he's leaning forward?

When you’re leaning forward and you keep more balance then when you’re leaning backwards.

Nothing. So he isn't shaking because Audrey is putting immense pressure on him while he's leaning backwards—he's shaking because she's hitting a weak spot Also, if that part wasn't attached to him or connected to him, he wouldn't flinch at all if it got hit, but he does.

Wilson’s weak spot, I agree with. Ship-Ahoy’s Wilson weak spot I wouldn’t agree with. Considering when Audrey banishes Wilson’s “weak spot” she doesn't banish Ship-Ahoy Wilson. And you can shake something/someone without damaging/harming it/them. Therefore, you are gonna need more evidence supporting that Ship-Ahoy Wilson was harmed by Audrey’s attacks. Expressly considering that he yulps when the Ink Demon attacks him and screams before from the Ink Demon’s last attack before dying which shows that he’s harmed. Therefore, if he makes these noises when Bendy harms them then he should also make these noises when Audrey harms him. And your only argument against this is “it doesn't mean anything” and you didn’t explain why.

He's not "non-existent" he's literally Joey's memories given a form which goes against him being non-existent he's literally made out of ink meaning he's very real.

He is a memory of Joey Drew, not Jeoy Drew’s memories as stated here “You made this world why can’t you fix it?” Audrey “Because I’m not the man I’m just a memory” Joey.

Do I need to explain the many non-physical characters in fiction that are given a form? Look at Napstablook from Undertale for an example. And the Ink is implied exists between worlds which is a non-existent space which is why souls who exist in the Ink don’t exist. Buddy Lewek states that when pulled into the Ink he existed inside a void of nothingness but ink before entering the Cycle, like Audrey does in BATDR. And the Ink exists inside the space which is why when a soul slips from the Ink they get caught in-between worlds. As the Ink exists as the border between worlds. This proves that the Ink can be existed and non-existent.

Also the ink gives souls in bendy form
But this is completely irrelevant to the main point so I won't continue on this specific part.

Yeah, I would also recommend that you don’t. Because when the other Ink Monsters are born into the Cycle there are no longer called thoughts and memories just souls unlike Joey Drew. This argument should end here.
His arm literally gets launched backward as soon as it happens, and he grabs his arm in visible pain.

He needs to move his hands before it goes off, but that never happens—he moves them after it suddenly happens and hits his hand.

It looks like he yanks it anyway from her before she banishes him and looks at her with a face of harm mentally not physically harm and runs around.

Also, that's what unseals Bendy, as the archives say. So you can't say "actions speak louder than words" when the actions are doing the exact same thing the words are saying.

When why does Allison Angel warm Audrey about the Ink Demon before this happens, why do the Lost Ones while roaming around state that Wilson said he was dead but that they saw him before this happens? This all goes against your point.

I'm gonna be honest all of your points are you just kinda nitpicking really small things and trying to make them major points shipahoy Dudley not groaning when Wilson's head is head,the minor pieces of Wilson left on the floor after he was cut up

And no I and simply explained why I disagree with the large verity of your very small points to prove why Ship-Ahoy Wilson is universe level+ which isn’t even consistent. For an example, First you argued that he takes attacks from Bendy therefore, scales universe level+. And now you are saying that he gets harmed from attacks by Audrey who is physically small building level which would mean he isn’t universe level+ but small building level. Is he small building level or is he universe level+ which one is it? If you want to upgrade him to universe level+ you might wanna reconsidering this contradiction.

 

[HASE-1929]

And no I and simply explained why I disagree with the large verity of your very small points to prove why Ship-Ahoy Wilson is universe level+ which isn’t even consistent. For an example, First you argued that he takes attacks from Bendy therefore, scales universe level+.

What are you talking about?
I never said thats why he would be uni+.

And now you are saying that he gets harmed from attacks by Audrey who is physically small building level which would mean he isn’t universe level+ but small building level. Is he small building level or is he universe level+ which one is it? If you want to upgrade him to universe level+ you might wanna reconsidering this contradiction.

Maybe if you actually read what I was saying you would understand.
Im saying she's attacking a weak spot. I've literally said multiple times that when she has hit a place that isn't Wilson's head she can't cause him harm.

When why does Allison Angel warm Audrey about the Ink Demon before this happens, why do the Lost Ones while roaming around state that Wilson said he was dead but that they saw him before this happens? This all goes against your point.

You do realize most people in the cycle just genuinely don't believe bendy died right it's states in notes I doubt Allison would believe it also
Also lost ones only talk about them seeing bendy after Audrey unsealed him.

It proves that the machine itself didn't merge Wilson’s body are else the pieces would have gone into with the rest of Ship-Ahoy Wilson.

My whole point that banish doesn’t affect Wilson and Ship-Ahoy Wilson despite banishing the entirety of an ink monster making them separate bodies still stands which I why I restated it. You’re only argument you have provided is that Ship-Ahoy Wilson is different from other Ink Monsters which proves nothing as all Ink Monsters are different as I have already explained.

Back to the cartoon bendy point. It didn't affect him is his hand not part of him now?

It proves that the machine itself didn't merge Wilson’s body are else the pieces would have gone into with the rest of Ship-Ahoy Wilson.

You might as well be arguing shipahoy Wilson is soulless because what does this prove.

Wilson’s weak spot, I agree with. Ship-Ahoy’s Wilson weak spot I wouldn’t agree with.

They are the same thing nothing implies they are separate as I said above you might as well say he's soulless.

He is a memory of Joey Drew, not Jeoy Drew’s memories as stated here “You made this world why can’t you fix it?” Audrey “Because I’m not the man I’m just a memory” Joey.

Do I need to explain the many non-physical characters in fiction that are given a form? Look at Napstablook from Undertale for an example. And the Ink is implied exists between worlds which is a non-existent space which is why souls who exist in the Ink don’t exist. Buddy Lewek states that when pulled into the Ink he existed inside a void of nothingness but ink before entering the Cycle, like Audrey does in BATDR. And the Ink exists inside the space which is why when a soul slips from the Ink they get caught in-between worlds. As the Ink exists as the border between worlds. This proves that the Ink can be existed and non-existent.

Suddenly we are using novels? The things you argued against using in previous messages.
Also yeah hes not Joey drew himself he's his memories
If he wasn't Joey's memories he wouldn't know anything about the cycle

 

[Antvasima]

So what revisions here have been accepted by our staff so far, or do we need further staff input?

@ShockingPsychic

 

[InkyBattles]

Maybe if you actually read what I was saying you would understand. Im saying she's attacking a weak spot. I've literally said multiple times that when she has hit a place that isn't Wilson's head she can't cause him harm.

And that “weak spot” Wilson is it not? Don’t switch your argument up now. You have also stated that Wilson and Ship-Ahoy are not separate bodies do I quote you on this as well?
And I am arguing that they are separate bodies which is why Ship-Ahoy Wilson isn’t harmed when Wilson is harmed.

Back to the cartoon bendy point. It didn't affect him is his hand not part of him now?

If you generally believe my argument is that his hand isn’t a part of him then I think you have not read my argument correctly and that you should go back and reread it. Because it’s not rocket science.

What are you talking about?
I never said thats why he would be uni+.

You sure? Because that’s not what this looks like

“God Tiers (Bendy/the ink demon, Shipahoy Wilson, and the Ink Machine) should be Low 2-C.”

This was said by you btw

You do realize most people in the cycle just genuinely don't believe bendy died right it's states in notes I doubt Allison would believe it also

Is there a statement that suggests that Allison dosnt believe it? Or are you making this up as a counter argument right off the spot because I have not seen anything statements suggesting this.

Suddenly we are using novels? The things you argued against using in previous messages.
Also yeah hes not Joey drew himself he's his memories

I wasn’t against the novel itself I argued against you using the novel to argue that the Cycle existed before Henry for your argument because it isn’t shown in the game and saying that the books were entirely canon. As I said the books has parallels and a soul entering the Ink before entering the Cycle is one of them, and the Cycle existing before Henry isn’t. This is why I have to restate my argument as you complained about because you are either not paying attention or forgetting which is quite annoying I’m gonna be honest.

Joey Drew is in the novels as himself as he’s able to control the Cycle when inside it as the Master which the memory stated he couldn’t do unlike the actual Joey Drew can.

They are the same thing nothing implies they are separate as I said above you might as well say he's soulless.

I said that Wilson is soulless separate vessel which is why he gets banished and Ship-Ahoy Wilson doesn’t. This is supported by Wilson stating that his machine swaps soul from one body into another and doesn’t say that they merge their bodies together like you are trying to argue. Long story short Wilson swaping souls using that machine as I am arguing is stated Wilson merging bodies themselves together as you are argument isn’t stated.
You are using small details as evidence which can be argued against.

 

[HASE-1929]

And that “weak spot” Wilson is it not? Don’t switch your argument up now. You have also stated that Wilson and Ship-Ahoy are not separate bodies do I quote you on this as well?
And I am arguing that they are separate bodies which is why Ship-Ahoy Wilson isn’t harmed when Wilson is harmed.

Characters can have weak spots.
Also, me calling it "Wilson" doesn't mean I'm switching my argument. There's literally nothing else to call it by

If you generally believe my argument is that his hand isn’t a part of him then I think you have not read my argument correctly and that you should go back and reread it. Because it’s not rocket science.

One of your points for Wilson's soul not being in that part of Shipahoy Dudley is that they are separate vessels because he didn't get vanished. So, I was saying that, using that logic, Bendy's hand wouldn't be part of him.

You sure? Because that’s not what this looks like

This was said by you btw.

Cool, I said they were all god tiers within the verse.

Prove that I said Shipahoy Dudley was Uni+ because he survived getting hit by Bendy.

This is the Ink Machine thing all over again.

Is there a statement that suggests that Allison dosnt believe it? Or are you making this up as a counter argument right off the spot because I have not seen anything statements suggesting this.

Why would there need to be a statement from Allison saying it when the notes say that most of the cycle don't believe it, and it's clear she doesn't believe it either?

Also, Wilson comments on Bendy getting out of his suppressed form as if it was recent.

I wasn’t against the novel itself I argued against you using the novel to argue that the Cycle existed before Henry for your argument because it isn’t shown in the game and saying that the books were entirely canon. As I said the books has parallels and a soul entering the Ink before entering the Cycle is one of them, and the Cycle existing before Henry isn’t. This is why I have to restate my argument as you complained about because you are either not paying attention or forgetting which is quite annoying I’m gonna be honest.

The games don't show the ink being non-existent.
But this is completely irrelevant to the main point (if shipahoy Dudley needs a soul or not for power)

I said that Wilson is soulless separate vessel which is why he gets banished and Ship-Ahoy Wilson doesn’t. This is supported by Wilson stating that his machine swaps soul from one body into another and doesn’t say that they merge their bodies together like you are trying to argue. Long story short Wilson swaping souls using that machine as I am arguing is stated Wilson merging bodies themselves together as you are argument isn’t stated.
You are using small details as evidence which can be argued against.

Look at the pieces on the floor.

Those pieces are on Shipahoy Dudley.

Half of his face is on the floor, but when we see Shipahoy Dudley, he has it. The top half of Wilson's head is also on the floor, and Shipahoy Dudley has that too.
It's pretty evident that the machine just remade Wilson inside of Shipahoy Dudley (also, we never see the body pieces get taken, only Wilson getting shredded)
So yeah they are one and the same.
And even if that wasn't the case, those pieces of Wilson are still in Shipahoy Dudley, as they are connected to his organs, and Shipahoy Dudley was made with those pieces as part of him.

It isn’t something he shoved into his stomach.

 

[Antvasima]

Can somebody clarify what @Mr. Bambu , @LephyrTheRevanchist , @DarkDragonMedeus , and @Dark-Carioca currently need to evaluate or help out with here please?

 

[HASE-1929]

Can somebody clarify what @Mr. Bambu , @LephyrTheRevanchist , @DarkDragonMedeus , and @Dark-Carioca currently need to evaluate or help out with here please?

Not that much as of now.
But even though they aren't on the supporter's list I think more input

This is my suggestion for how the scaling should work for the verse to avoid any complications relating to who scales to what and all (more input from supporters would be appreciated for this):

Low Tiers (Lost Ones, Baby Widows, Searchers, Cartoon Bendy, The Butcher Gang) would be 9-A, as they are capable of hurting Henry, though not by much. Henry completely tanked the metal wall feat unharmed so they would upscale it due to being able to inflict harm

Mid Tiers would also be 9-A (anyone not mentioned in Low, High, or God Tier). These characters are semi comparable to Henry or, in some cases, are outright superior to him being able to knock him out.

High Tiers (Bertrum, The Lurker, Norman Polk, Giant Searcher, Brute Boris, Giant River Hand) would be at least 9-A. Most of them can kill Henry and Audrey in one blow and other Mid Tiers very quickly

God Tiers (Bendy/the ink demon, Shipahoy Wilson, and the Ink Machine) should be Low 2-C.

1.The Ink Machine created the cycle, Shipahoy Dudley, and Bendy/the ink demon, Wilson stated the machine was 'beyond any measure' and it took multiple blows from Bendy without being damaged.

2.Bendy/the ink demon is capable of shaking and stopping the cycle from growing just by existing. He is also feared by everything in the cycle and is considered a god/savior, He can tear apart high-tier characters in fights and ripped out Shipahoy Dudleys throat after casually pinning him down.

3.shipahoy Dudley was created specifically to fight Bendy, while still massively inferior to bendy, he should be superior to the cycle due to this purpose, stated to be 'powerful beyond anyone' and casually overpowered Audrey and ripped off her legs

On this would be nice.
As it isn't super complicated and you don't need a indepth understanding on the verse to understand it.

 

[Antvasima]

They commented in this thread earlier.

 

[InkyBattles]

One of your points for Wilson's soul not being in that part of Shipahoy Dudley is that they are separate vessels because he didn't get vanished. So, I was saying that, using that logic, Bendy's hand wouldn't be part of him.

If that was my logic then like Bendy Wilson wouldn’t have gotten banished but he did Bendy did not. But Let’s say Bendy did if Bendy is the only one who can survive reality warping haxes then Bendy being the only one who can surviving banish wouldn’t be too surprising. But again I never seen banish hit him, unlike Wilson.

Cool, I said they were all god tiers within the verse.

And you said they were low 2-C which means universal level+. I’ll restate your statement again, “God Tiers (Bendy/the ink demon, Shipahoy Wilson, and the Ink Machine) should be Low 2-C.” I don’t understand how you cannot stick to your own argument.

Prove that I said Shipahoy Dudley was Uni+ because he survived getting hit by Bendy.

You used it a reason for why you were scaling him low 2-C, much like you used Bendy shaking the Cycle the reason why you were scaling him low 2-C. If you would lesson to your own argument you would find that the evidence is right there I would suggest you go back and reread your own argument.

Why would there need to be a statement from Allison saying it when the notes say that most of the cycle don't believe it, and it's clear she doesn't believe it either?

Because saying “Most characters of the Cycle” don’t believe it is very vague. And the characters who didn’t believe him were mostly Lost Ones the note never implies that Allison Angel does. How would Allison not believe if the Ink Demon was truely done for 211 days? What evidence would she have not to believe it?

The games don't show the ink being non-existent.

They show the same thing the books did. And the Meatly himself stated that if someone in the books happens in game that is canon, if it dosnt it isn’t canon. And you yourself stated that when souls are in the ink there are non-existent thoughts and memories. Alice Angel even states that living the Dark Puddles makes you a thought therefore, none existent. The game itself state the Ink is non existent twice.
Look at the pieces on the floor.

Those pieces are on Shipahoy Dudley.

Half of his face is on the floor, but when we see Shipahoy Dudley, he has it. The top half of Wilson's head is also on the floor, and Shipahoy Dudley has that too.
It's pretty evident that the machine just remade Wilson inside of Shipahoy Dudley (also, we never see the body pieces get taken, only Wilson getting shredded)
So yeah they are one and the same.
And even if that wasn't the case, those pieces of Wilson are still in Shipahoy Dudley, as they are connected to his organs, and Shipahoy Dudley was made with those pieces as part of him.

If you can find a statement that states that Wilson’s body was merged into Ship-Ahoy Wilson and not just his soul without using very detailed for evidence I will believe you. My point is that Ship-Ahoy Wilson being created with Wilson needs more evidence because you could argue the same could be said about the body existing when Ship-Ahoy Wilson is created we never see this happen either and characters like Alice and take parts off of other Ink Monsters and attach them onto herself who says Ship-Ahoy Wilson doesn’t sometime after Audrey leaves Wilson’s laboratory? These small details you are using for evidence are all speculation.

 

[HASE-1929]

If that was my logic then like Bendy Wilson wouldn’t have gotten banished but he did Bendy did not. But Let’s say Bendy did if Bendy is the only one who can survive reality warping haxes then Bendy being the only one who can surviving banish wouldn’t be too surprising. But again I never seen banish hit him, unlike Wilson.

Who said Cartoon bendy can survive that.
Stuff like that only applies to the ink demon
Not cartoon bendy.

They show the same thing the books did. And the Meatly himself stated that if someone in the books happens in game that is canon, if it dosnt it isn’t canon. And you yourself stated that when souls are in the ink there are non-existent thoughts and memories. Alice Angel even states that living the Dark Puddles makes you a thought therefore, none existent. The game itself state the Ink is non existent twice.

I already said this point is irrelevant stop pressing on it because it's dragging out the main argument.

And you said they were low 2-C which means universal level+. I’ll restate your statement again, “God Tiers (Bendy/the ink demon, Shipahoy Wilson, and the Ink Machine) should be Low 2-C.” I don’t understand how you cannot stick to your own argument.

Im saying they are all uni+ not that they scale to each other we already went on this with the ink machine argument lmao.

If you can find a statement that states that Wilson’s body was merged into Ship-Ahoy Wilson and not just his soul without using very detailed for evidence I will believe you. My point is that Ship-Ahoy Wilson being created with Wilson needs more evidence because you could argue the same could be said about the body existing when Ship-Ahoy Wilson is created we never see this happen either and characters like Alice and take parts off of other Ink Monsters and attach them onto herself who says Ship-Ahoy Wilson doesn’t sometime after Audrey leaves Wilson’s laboratory? These small details you are using for evidence are all speculation.

Doesn't what, after some time? There are only two things that could have happened:

1. The machine recreated Wilson.


2. Wilson's body was forced into Shipahoy Dudley, causing them to merge also if his body was taken there his body must have still in some way retained his soul

Both of these mean they are connected. Nothing implies they aren't connected.

Also, why are you calling me out for using small pieces of evidence when you do the same?

Because saying “Most characters of the Cycle” don’t believe it is very vague. And the characters who didn’t believe him were mostly Lost Ones the note never implies that Allison Angel does. How would Allison not believe if the Ink Demon was truely done for 211 days? What evidence would she have not to believe it?

She has lived her entire life in fear of bendy because of how strong he is.
I'm sorry but a random guy coming out of nowhere and saying he killed bendy isn't believable at all.

You used it a reason for why you were scaling him low 2-C, much like you used Bendy shaking the Cycle the reason why you were scaling him low 2-C. If you would lesson to your own argument you would find that the evidence is right there I would suggest you go back and reread your own argument.

I never used him tanking hits from Bendy as the reason he scales to the Cycle. I even pointed out that he doesn't scale to Bendy. I used the reason that he exists as the reason he scales. He is meant to be able to fight Bendy, and at the bare minimum, he should scale to the Cycle because Wilson is very aware that Bendy can shake the Cycle just by existing.
This isn't him scaling to bendy.

 

[InkyBattles]

Who said Cartoon bendy can survive that.
Stuff like that only applies to the ink demon
Not cartoon bendy.

Only physical attacks. Wilson and the Keepers still couldn’t use their reality warping capabilities to get ride of the Ink Demon while he was still in Cartoon Bendy’s form.

Im saying they are all uni+ not that they scale to each other we already went on this with the ink machine argument lmao.

Yes, I am talking about you scaling them all universe level+ I didn’t state the Ink Machine that was finished being discussed days ago I said you said that Ship-Ahoy Wilson was universe level+ which I disagree with. Also it is interesting how you recently stated that you didn’t scale them universe level+ and now you are admitting that you did scale them universe level+ after I showed you.

Doesn't what, after some time? There are only two things that could have happened:

1. The machine recreated Wilson.


2. Wilson's body was forced into Shipahoy Dudley, causing them to merge also if his body was taken there his body must have still in some way retained his soul

Both of these mean they are connected. Nothing implies they aren't connected.

Also, why are you calling me out for using small pieces of evidence when you do the same?

1 Besides a vague blueprint of the Ink Machien which implies that Wilson used the Ink Machine for something. What statement confirms that the Ink Machine recreated Wilson? Wilson himself states nothing about the Ink Macnine when revealing his plan and only state that he uses the Ink Machine to control the Cycle. Therefore, these blueprints probably ain’t even referred to the Machine itself.
Doesn't what, after some time? There are only two things that could have happened:

2. I’m still waiting for a statement that confirmed that Wilson’s body was merged with Ship-Ahoy Wilson and not just his soul as the Wilson states.

Also, why are you calling me out for using small pieces of evidence when you do the same?

Because you were the first one to call me out on it and now you are doing the exact same thing.

She has lived her entire life in fear of bendy because of how strong he is.
I'm sorry but a random guy coming out of nowhere and saying he killed bendy isn't believable at all.

Someone claiming that Alice Angel doesn’t believe the Ink Demon was dead because other Ink Monsters doesn’t believe he is dead isn’t alll that believable either. I asked for a statement regarding where she said she dosnt believe he is dead but you couldn’t provide even that and are now making speculation to answer that that isn’t proof.

I never used him tanking hits from Bendy as the reason he scales to the Cycle. I even pointed out that he doesn't scale to Bendy. I used the reason that he exists as the reason he scales. He is meant to be able to fight Bendy, and at the bare minimum, he should scale to the Cycle because Wilson is very aware that Bendy can shake the Cycle just by existing.

Having knowledge about who scales to a universe dosnt make you universe level+ following that logic Sans is universal level+ to multiverse level because he knows Frisk(the Player) scales to the Undertale verse but is he universal level+ to low multiverse level? The correct is no. You can look up Sans’s profile picture if you don’t believe me on that as well.

Only Wilson should scale to the Cycle because he has actually shown manipulation over the Cycle with the Ink Machine and the Illusion of Living. Ship-Ahoy Wilson lost that ability.

 

[HASE-1929]

Having knowledge about who scales to a universe dosnt make you universe level+ following that logic Sans is universal level+ to multiverse level because he knows Frisk(the Player) scales to the Undertale verse but is he universal level+ to low multiverse level? The correct is no. You can look up Sans’s profile picture if you don’t believe me on that as well.

Only Wilson should scale to the Cycle because he has actually shown manipulation over the Cycle with the Ink Machine and the Illusion of Living. Ship-Ahoy Wilson lost that ability.

Shipahoy Dudley was specifically made to fight bendy that's not the same as just having "knowledge".

Someone claiming that Alice Angel doesn’t believe the Ink Demon was dead because other Ink Monsters doesn’t believe he is dead isn’t alll that believable either. I asked for a statement regarding where she said she dosnt believe he is dead but you couldn’t provide even that and are now making speculation to answer that that isn’t proof.

Maybe her being overly cautious of a guy who isn't around.
Also Wilson talks about bendy being out as if it was new
+
The archives confirms bendy getting out happens after he met Audrey.

1 Besides a vague blueprint of the Ink Machine which implies that Wilson used the Ink Machine for something. What statement confirms that the Ink Machine recreated Wilson? Wilson himself states nothing about the Ink Macnine when revealing his plan and only state that he uses the Ink Machine to control the Cycle. Therefore, these blueprints probably ain’t even referred to the Machine itself.
Doesn't what, after some time? There are only two things that could have happened:

2. I’m still waiting for a statement that confirmed that Wilson’s body was merged with Ship-Ahoy Wilson and not just his soul as the Wilson states.

Because you were the first one to call me out on it and now you are doing the exact same thing.

What I'm saying has way more concrete footing than whatever you were saying, though. We see the machine in the room where he was made; it's super obvious that the machine created Shipahoy Dudley as soon as Wilson was fully cut up in the machine he wanted to put Audrey in.
And wdym a blue print for the ink machine isn't for the ink machine?

Also, what do you mean by needing a statement? You can literally see it in the design. He even has a reaction when he's banished and is obviously upset about it. If that part wasn't part of him he wouldn't be bothered.

Yes, I am talking about you scaling them all universe level+ I didn’t state the Ink Machine that was finished being discussed days ago I said you said that Ship-Ahoy Wilson was universe level+ which I disagree with. Also it is interesting how you recently stated that you didn’t scale them universe level+ and now you are admitting that you did scale them universe level+ after I showed you.

Showed me what?
Im genuinely confused on what you are talking about.

 

[HASE-1929]

They commented in this thread earlier.

Yeah they commented on the first page.
Lephyr said they would check it out when they had the time.

 

[InkyBattles]

Shipahoy Dudley was specifically made to fight bendy that's not the same as just having "knowledge".

That still isn’t universal level+ which is my whole point.

Maybe her being overly cautious of a guy who isn't around.

Exactly. Her being warming Audrey about the Ink Demon’s exist proves that she does doesn’t believe that the Ink Demon was sealed away.

Also Wilson talks about bendy being out as if it was new

That’s durablity. I’m talking about resistant haxes and banish is a hax.

The archives confirms bendy getting out happens after he met Audrey.

You have already said this. And I am saying that Allison’s statement goes against this.

What I'm saying has way more concrete footing than whatever you were saying, though. We see the machine in the room where he was made; it's super obvious that the machine created Shipahoy Dudley as soon as Wilson was fully cut up in the machine he wanted to put Audrey in.

This makes sense. However, how do we know that the Ink Machine didn’t create two bodies at the same time? Keep in mind, the Ink Machine created The Cycle and physical matter within it. There are still many questions to be answered here.

Also, what do you mean by needing a statement? You can literally see it in the design. He even has a reaction when he's banished and is obviously upset about it. If that part wasn't part of him he wouldn't be bothered.

You don’t realize how animalistic he was during the entire battle do you? He’s obviously pissed that Audrey ruined his entire planned. I’d be pissed too.

If Wilson was his weak spot than hurting Wilson wouldn’t harmed him in the process the same can be said about banish. But that “weak spot” dosnt harm him but only shakes him which isn’t automatically a sign of harm or damage as I explained.

Showed me what?
Im genuinely confused on what you are talking about.

Do I have no repeat myself again, I litterly stated it in my previous comment…

 

[InkyBattles]

Showed me what?
Im genuinely confused on what you are talking about.

Show you that you were arguing that Ship-Ahoy Wilson was universe level+ I would highly recommend you screenshot this or something so you can remember it.

 

[HASE-1929]

Exactly. Her being warming Audrey about the Ink Demon’s exist proves that she does doesn’t believe that the Ink Demon was sealed away.

Okay so you agree it's based off the characters belief.

That still isn’t universal level+ which is my whole point.

This is the same guy who had access to a machine that created Bendy and the cycle, and he obviously planned to use that machine to create his "ultimate weapon" so it could fight a low 2-C character.

This makes sense. However, how do we know that the Ink Machine didn’t create two bodies at the same time? Keep in mind, the Ink Machine created The Cycle and physical matter within it. There are still many questions to be answered here.

Wilson's entire plan was to create something that could fuse with the host of the soul. It also makes sense for it to have Wilson's body and appear deformed because, at the end of the day, Shipahoy Dudley was meant to house Audrey's soul. The ink machine is also not immune to accidents (Bendy is a prime example of the machine messing up making something deformed and uncontrollable), and Wilson wanted to avoid something like that by using Audrey.

You don’t realize how animalistic he was during the entire battle do you? He’s obviously pissed that Audrey ruined his entire planned. I’d be pissed too.

If Wilson was his weak spot than hurting Wilson wouldn’t harmed him in the process the same can be said about banish. But that “weak spot” doesn't harm him but only shakes him which isn’t automatically a sign of harm or damage

I don't think it would make sense to argue that he's mad about the plan because I don't believe Wilson is actually capable of that much thought in this state. Like you said, he's animalistic—he's comparable to an animal in this state. At best, he's comparable to smarter animals during this time.

 

[InkyBattles]

Okay so you agree it's based off the characters belief.

I think they all of the context about rather the Ink Demon was freed from banish or not are beliefs. However, I think Allison believe makes the most sense.

This is the same guy who had access to a machine that created Bendy and the cycle, and he obviously planned to use that machine to create his "ultimate weapon" so it could fight a low 2-C character.

He doesn't have the Ink Machine in his standard equipment as Ship-Ahoy Wilson though, only Wilson. And the “ultimate weapon” was refurring it Audrey’s process of Ship-Ahoy Wilson as the “ultimate weapon” was to create a being powerful enough to bypass the Ink Demon in terms of power which didn’t happen due to Wilson’s possession instead.

Heck! The Projectionist lasted longer against the Ink Demon than Ship-Ahoy Wilson did against the Ink Demon and got much more hits in two. I guess that makes him low 2-C than too.

Wilson's entire plan was to create something that could fuse with the host of the soul. It also makes sense for it to have Wilson's body and appear deformed because, at the end of the day, Shipahoy Dudley was meant to house Audrey's soul. The ink machine is also not immune to accidents (Bendy is a prime example of the machine messing up making something deformed and uncontrollable), and Wilson wanted to avoid something like that by using Audrey.

His plan was to use Audrey’s soul (not body) to possess Ship-Ahoy in order to create a being that is far superior to the Ink Demon. However a soul of anyone was needed in order for it to bend to Wilson orders like the Keepers which is what controllable means in this context. He dosnt say about the her physical body which is why I don’t think it makes sense to say their bodies were merged. Wilson is just laying inside Ship-Ahoy Wilson’s stomas which is why Audrey banishes him specifically as if he a separate part attached to him that can be taken out without hurting Ship-Ahoy Wilson himself.

I don't think it would make sense to argue that he's mad about the plan because I don't believe Wilson is actually capable of that much thought in this state. Like you said, he's animalistic—he's comparable to an animal in this state. At best, he's comparable to smarter animals during this time.

In saying that he’s animalistic because of his failed plan and is blood thirsty on getting revenge on Audrey for what she did to him it is pretty obvious. Sure, he isn’t as smart as Wilson due to his animatic state making many of the same mistakes more than once which left him open for Audrey to lay attacks in combat without learning from those mistakes. But considering after being pushed into the Machine that he tries to kill Audrey even after knowing he could no longer use her to use her soul to create Ship-Ahoy Wilson as the plan obviously backfired. It is pretty obvious just trying to kill her out of pure rage. This is the best explanation for his actions for than anything so far.

 

[InkyBattles]

In saying that he’s animalistic because of his failed plan and is blood thirsty on getting revenge on Audrey for what she did to him it is pretty obvious. Sure, he isn’t as smart as Wilson due to his animatic state making many of the same mistakes more than once which left him open for Audrey to lay attacks in combat without learning from those mistakes. But considering after being pushed into the Machine that he tries to kill Audrey even after knowing he could no longer use her to use her soul to create Ship-Ahoy Wilson as the plan obviously backfired. It is pretty obvious just trying to kill her out of pure rage. This is the best explanation for his actions for than anything so far.

Now yes this is also speculation also, aa there is no statements that support this. However, what isn’t is the fact that he was pissed even before Audrey banished Wilson from inside his stomach.

 

[HASE-1929]

He doesn't have the Ink Machine in his standard equipment as Ship-Ahoy Wilson though, only Wilson. And the “ultimate weapon” was refurring it Audrey’s process of Ship-Ahoy Wilson as the “ultimate weapon” was to create a being powerful enough to bypass the Ink Demon in terms of power which didn’t happen due to Wilson’s possession instead.

No, what I'm saying is that Wilson, like his normal self, had access to the machine.
Also, regarding the whole 'Shipahoy Dudley surpassing Bendy' thing, it likely wouldn't have worked.
Wilson's understanding of Bendy is still limited. He didn't know Bendy could evolve over time at all.
Furthermore, Bendy doesn't usually go all out. For example, in the Projectionist fight, it was clear he was holding back, because as soon as Bendy tried, Norman got casually torn apart.
Also Wilson is guilty of not truly grasping how strong bendy is.
Wilson thought that keepers would be able to kill him after capture.

Heck! The Projectionist lasted longer against the Ink Demon than Ship-Ahoy Wilson did against the Ink Demon and got much more hits in two. I guess that makes him low 2-C than too.

Bendy, mid-fight, grabbed Norman, and Norman couldn't do anything. We see Norman kick Bendy, but it does nothing, despite his previous blows pushing him back.
So it's obvious that Bendy was holding back in the beginning.
We also see Bendy in the games actively mess around with the people he hunts. For example, in Chapter 4, he just taunts Henry the entire time.

His plan was to use Audrey’s soul (not body) to possess Ship-Ahoy in order to create a being that is far superior to the Ink Demon. However a soul of anyone was needed in order for it to bend to Wilson orders like the Keepers which is what controllable means in this context. He dosnt say about the her physical body which is why I don’t think it makes sense to say their bodies were merged. Wilson is just laying inside Ship-Ahoy Wilson’s stomas which is why Audrey banishes him specifically as if he a separate part attached to him that can be taken out without hurting Ship-Ahoy Wilson himself.

Yeah, I know what he meant by 'controllable.'
I'm saying it needs a soul to be controllable because we've seen the consequences of it not having a proper soul, acting like a wild animal.
So even if she didn't banish his soul, the way Shipahoy Dudley acts proves what I'm saying.
A soul is needed so it wouldn't be a wild animal so it would also listen to Wilson.
Souls in Bendy aren't even powerful when it comes to making things physically strong.
(Bendy doesn't have a soul, and he's the strongest character in the verse.)
It all comes down to what the thing it's possessing is.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

This is my suggestion for how the scaling should work for the verse to avoid any complications relating to who scales to what and all (more input from supporters would be appreciated for this):

Low Tiers (Lost Ones, Baby Widows, Searchers, Cartoon Bendy, The Butcher Gang) would be 9-A, as they are capable of hurting Henry, though not by much. Henry completely tanked the metal wall feat unharmed so they would upscale it due to being able to inflict harm

Mid Tiers would also be 9-A (anyone not mentioned in Low, High, or God Tier). These characters are semi comparable to Henry or, in some cases, are outright superior to him being able to knock him out.

High Tiers (Bertrum, The Lurker, Norman Polk, Giant Searcher, Brute Boris, Giant River Hand) would be at least 9-A. Most of them can kill Henry and Audrey in one blow and other Mid Tiers very quickly

God Tiers (Bendy/the ink demon, Shipahoy Wilson, and the Ink Machine) should be Low 2-C.

1.The Ink Machine created the cycle, Shipahoy Dudley, and Bendy/the ink demon, Wilson stated the machine was 'beyond any measure' and it took multiple blows from Bendy without being damaged.

2.Bendy/the ink demon is capable of shaking and stopping the cycle from growing just by existing. He is also feared by everything in the cycle and is considered a god/savior, He can tear apart high-tier characters in fights and ripped out Shipahoy Dudleys throat after casually pinning him down.

3.shipahoy Dudley was created specifically to fight Bendy, while still massively inferior to bendy, he should be superior to the cycle due to this purpose, stated to be 'powerful beyond anyone' and casually overpowered Audrey and ripped off her legs

This looks good to me.

 

[InkyBattles]

No, what I'm saying is that Wilson, like his normal self, had access to the machine.
Also, regarding the whole 'Shipahoy Dudley surpassing Bendy' thing, it likely wouldn't have worked.
Wilson's understanding of Bendy is still limited. He didn't know Bendy could evolve over time at all.
Furthermore, Bendy doesn't usually go all out. For example, in the Projectionist fight, it was clear he was holding back, because as soon as Bendy tried, Norman got casually torn apart.
Also Wilson is guilty of not truly grasping how strong bendy is.
Wilson thought that keepers would be able to kill him after capture.

Bendy, mid-fight, grabbed Norman, and Norman couldn't do anything. We see Norman kick Bendy, but it does nothing, despite his previous blows pushing him back.
So it's obvious that Bendy was holding back in the beginning.
We also see Bendy in the games actively mess around with the people he hunts. For example, in Chapter 4, he just taunts Henry the entire time.

Yeah, I know what he meant by 'controllable.'
I'm saying it needs a soul to be controllable because we've seen the consequences of it not having a proper soul, acting like a wild animal.
So even if she didn't banish his soul, the way Shipahoy Dudley acts proves what I'm saying.
A soul is needed so it wouldn't be a wild animal so it would also listen to Wilson.
Souls in Bendy aren't even powerful when it comes to making things physically strong.
(Bendy doesn't have a soul, and he's the strongest character in the verse.)
It all comes down to what the thing it's possessing is.

Alright, let’s make a deal. If at least three moderators accepted your low 2-C (universal level+) Ship-Ahoy Wilson argument. I will make Ship-Ahoy Wilson universe level+ inside my profile page for Wilson. Although I just don’t agree that Ship-Ahoy Wilson should scale universal level+ personally for the following reasons:

1. He gets harmed by Audrey who’s greatest physical feat is breaking open vent covers which is calculated to be wall level. And Audrey fights Ship-Ahoy Wilson before she inherited the Illusion of Living book which scales her universe level+ to low multiverse level.
2. And the fact that the brief fight between Ship-Ahoy Wilson and the Ink Demon wasn’t even close contradicts Wilson’s statements about him being “powerful beyond everyone” and “stronger, more powerful and controllable” than the Ink Demon.

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I am fine with the Ink Demon scaling to universal level+ through.

 

[HASE-1929]

Alright, let’s make a deal. If at least three moderators accepted your low 2-C (universal level+) Ship-Ahoy Wilson argument. I will make Ship-Ahoy Wilson universe level+ inside my profile page for Wilson. Although I just don’t agree that Ship-Ahoy Wilson should scale universal level+ personally for the following reasons:

1. He gets harmed by Audrey who’s greatest physical feat is breaking open vent covers which is calculated to be wall level. And Audrey fights Ship-Ahoy Wilson before she inherited the Illusion of Living book which scales her universe level+ to low multiverse

If she hits him anywhere other than the head, it doesn't hurt him, so no, it doesn't downscale him at all.
And he's fully capable of wiping her out we see this when he grabs her.

1. And the fact that the brief fight between Ship-Ahoy Wilson and the Ink Demon wasn’t even close contradicts Wilson’s statements about him being “powerful beyond everyone” and “stronger, more powerful and controllable” than the Ink Demon.

He literally did better than anyone else when fighting Bendy.
Bendy instantly went for the kill with Shipahoy Wilson, unlike with Norman.

As for the three mods part, it's likely not going to happen. This verse isn't popular (or liked enough) to get that many mods for it.

 

[InkyBattles]

If she hits him anywhere other than the head, it doesn't hurt him, so no, it doesn't downscale him at all.
And he's fully capable of wiping her out we see this when he grabs her.


He literally did better than anyone else when fighting Bendy.
Bendy instantly went for the kill with Shipahoy Wilson, unlike with Norman.

As for the three mods part, it's likely not going to happen. This verse isn't popular (or liked enough) to get that many mods for it.

I’m gonna keep this straight. These still aren’t universal level+ feats on Ship-Ahoy Wilson’s behalf which is my whole point.

 

[HASE-1929]

I’m gonna keep this straight. These still aren’t universal level+ feats on Ship-Ahoy Wilson’s behalf which is my whole point.

Him being made to fight Bendy specifically is good enough.
And him not living up to that doesn't mean much, because no one in the verse can actually contend with him.
And Shipahoy Dudley still did the best against Bendy.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Him being made to fight Bendy specifically is good enough.
And him not living up to that doesn't mean much, because no one in the verse can actually contend with him.
And Shipahoy Dudley still did the best against Bendy.

Shipahoy did jack and shit against the Ink Demon, he got completely stomped lmfao

The ******* projectionist did better against Bendy than Wilson did!

 

[HASE-1929]

Shipahoy did jack and shit against the Ink Demon, he got completely stomped lmfao

The ******* projectionist did better against Bendy than Wilson did!

The same Projectionist who couldn't do anything when Bendy grabbed him.

At least with Shipahoy Dudley, he was able to push Bendy off when he got on him.

 

[DaReaperMan]

The same Projectionist who couldn't do anything when Bendy grabbed him.

At least with Shipahoy Dudley, he was able to push Bendy off when he got on him.

Projectionist lands some hits that actually move and stagger Bendy a little and takes a couple himself, Dudley grabbed and threw Bendy... which is an LS thing, not an AP thing.

Shit, even The Projectionist's PAGE states he traded blows with Bendy, and it's ******* right!

Keep in mind I do NOT like scaling characters to the cycle's Low 2-C or whatever, but at the same time if you're going to take hype statements into account over showings, at least use showings to put characters like the Projectionist as inferior but not completely outclassed by the Ink Demon.

 

[HASE-1929]

Keep in mind I do NOT like scaling characters to the cycle's Low 2-C or whatever, but at the same time if you're going to take hype statements into account over showings, at least use showings to put characters like the Projectionist as inferior but not completely outclassed by the Ink Demon.

Sure, I can agree with that; my examples did suck.
But the whole staggering thing—when Bendy grabs the Projectionist, we see him kick Bendy's legs and it does Jack shit, despite his previous blows having an effect.
And from what we learn in the books (which are a little weird to use), Bendy just messes around with people unless they actually piss him off or something.
(Also can I get the reasoning on the disliking for the whole low 2-C thing)

 

[InkyBattles]

Him being made to fight Bendy specifically is good enough.
And him not living up to that doesn't mean much, because no one in the verse can actually contend with him.
And Shipahoy Dudley still did the best against Bendy.

That is like saying Sans is multiverse level because Toby Fox created him in order to fight Frisk (the Player).

 

[HASE-1929]

That is like saying Sans is multiverse level because Toby Fox created him in order to fight Frisk (the Player).

I don't think that's comparable
Like at all.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Sure, I can agree with that; my examples did suck.

Glad we agree on that, at least

But the whole staggering thing—when Bendy grabs the Projectionist, we see him kick Bendy's legs and it does Jack shit, despite his previous blows having an effect.

He actually doesn't, it's like the kicking you see when someone is getting strangled, I don't even think any of the 'blows' connected, as there's no sound for such unlike the punches.

And from what we learn in the books (which are a little weird to use), Bendy just messes around with people unless they actually piss him off or something.

You assume Shipahoy pissed him off, if we are using Novels then maybe there's one explaining that scene? If not, the standard assumption would be that Bendy was ******* around

All in all: I don't like Low 2-C, I think it's weird to use, but Shipahoy Dudley has no actual reason to scale to Bendy while other characters at least do something to the Ink Demon.

 

[HASE-1929]

You assume Shipahoy pissed him off, if we are using Novels then maybe there's one explaining that scene? If not, the standard assumption would be that Bendy was ******* around

Wilson is the same guy who drugged bendy
And locked him up for like 100+ days torturing him to try to kill him and then sealed him when that failed.
If a cardboard cutout being smashed into pieces makes him mad enough to go after who did it, I think what Wilson did would provoke a significantly worse reaction.

Glad we agree on that, at least

He actually doesn't, it's like the kicking you see when someone is getting strangled, I don't even think any of the 'blows' connected, as there's no sound for such unlike the punches.

He does manage to kick Bendy's legs, but for some reason, there is no sound indicating it.

He missed most of them, though so yeah you're right about that

 

[InkyBattles]

I don't think that's comparable
Like at all.

Considering they are both created to fight far superior beings I think the comparisons are pretty clean.

 

[HASE-1929]

Considering they are both created to fight far superior beings I think the comparisons are pretty clean.

Yeah expect frisk isn't multi in Genocide.
And sans didn't have 211 days of preparation