Ben 10: Update, Fixing and Additions part 9

[Antvasima]

This seems reasonable, but it depends on what @Firestorm808 thinks.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

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[Ultimate-Rex1]

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[Ultimate-Rex1]

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[Firestorm808]

Fix the page

Mana (Ben 10) page fixing

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• Fixing proves and page + Add Magic and Life-Energy Manipulation
• New A&R:

Where

• Minor Light Manipulation: Passive - Mana can make emit a blinding light
• Empowerment: Passive; Up to at most 2-A - Inside Ledgerdomain, which is filled with mana, mana users powers are boosted, even user's power is enhanced to the point where they are able to affect Alpha Rune, which is not affected by Hex's Staff who is superior to Mana users [outside the Legerdomain].
• Immense Pain Tolerance: Mana uesrs were consistanly shown to be able to wisthand blows from people scaling vastly above them in power, such as here, here and here, and can do so even after being rendered powerless.

1. Fine
2. Fine
3. I suppose?

Resistance:

• BFR: Mana shield are able to protect Mana user from Esoterica's teleport ability.

1. BFR via Dimensional Shifting is fine.

More Non-Physical Interaction:

• Intangibility [Phasing]: Can harm Ectonurites in phasing form.
• Soul - Can interact with souls.

1. He wasn't phasing in this scene.
2. Fine

Life-Energy Manipulation

• Power Bestowal: User can give energy to other people, such as here and here.
• Reactive Evolution, Empowerment & Greatly Absorption: User possess the ability to mine life energy from others life-forms, absorbing it from a distance or direct contact. This empowers them, greatly increasing their power as well as the potency of their abilities. Their own mana can also do the same, granting them more power and new abilities in combat when experiencing strong mana.
• Aura and Minor Light Manipulation: Explosive & Overwhelming; User can can emit a blinding light from his body, which can cause an explosion and killed any life-forms around him.
• Immortality: Type 2 - User can still alive even after lose their life-force.

1. Fine
2. Fine
3. Fine
4. You would need to prove that they had zero life force and still lived.

Magic

• Reality Warping: Passive; Magic's effects can warp reality to an unknown extent, they can control over things by can their names, they can do anything without laws.
• Ice Manipulation: Magic user can created snow.
• Magic & Aura: Passive; User can ues magic power with a magical aura can utilize it to use magic all the time.
• Healing (Low-High) & Restoration: Energy, Metaphysical, Immaterial, Magic & Physical - Magic can restore people's powers, mana, and body.
• Conceptual Manipulation: Type 1 - Magic users has the ability to manipulate names, which give users power to control over things, and even Alpha Rune which is embodies the true name of magic, holding a lot of legerdomain together, it also caused it to collapse after being disappearance, it's source of all essences, and existed long before Legerdomain and the current timeline, and even is source of all magical realms and even affect on them.

1. Fine
2. Fine
3. Fine
4. You need to prove that Magic can change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence.

Resistances

• Unconventional Resistance to Power Nullification: Magic users can still use their own powers, even after being nullifies.

1. I don't know about. The binding spell is meant to preventing him from using magic, but there seems to be spells that can by pass the restraints. I would need to know the mechanics of how the binding spell actually works. I'm fine with "possibly."

Remove:

• Accelerated Development: Battle, Physical Statistics; Anodites can become stronger and faster in the midst of combat.

In page:

This is the ability to rapidly increase one's overall strength or other physical capabilities by engaging in combat, becoming more and more capable over the course of a fight.

We see in a scene that Verdon does not get confused in a fight, but rather regains her strength after becoming weak and unable to continue the fight. This is Restoration (Energy & Stamina).

1. I'm fine with removing. Not sure about restoration.

Limited Absorption: Life-energy, Soul, Magic and Power - Mana cannot be fully absorbed. Considering that it is part of the user, they can still use most of their abilities even after someone absorbs mana from them.

In fact, the users' entire power can be absorbed, but they continue to use it even after absorbing it, so it must be replaced with this:

Unconventional Resistance to Absorption: Life-energy, Soul, Magic and Power - Mana users can still use their own powers even after being absorbed.

1. Videos are unavailable.

Layers for Absorption:

Ben 10: Mana's Absorption Layers

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Note:
This get discussed in this CRT, as many people says this should be put in Omnitrix's profile (in Power and Abilities [with separate Key]) since there is no need for Physiology and some would prefer it to be put in separate page, so I put many options:

1. I suppose a separate page is fine.

Professor Paradox

Hyperverse level via Creation (Created Chronal randomization barrier, which comparable to the size of The Forge of Creation since it completely hides the Forge of Creation from anyone in all of the existence)

1. Is this done via innate powers or via the Chrono Navigator?

Causality Manipulation Negation (Make Chronal Randomization Barrier out of sync with all time, which is a system of cause and effect in the verse)

1. Not really negation

Gwen:

Neutral Vision - Can see Ghostfreak in their invisible form. Soul Vision - Can see Ben's and Kevin's soul.

1. Not really. She looks in the direction of his voice and asks "Ben?" since she cannot see him.
2. Not really. Everyone there can see it because the purple mana is extracting it. Are literal ghosts a thing here? I forget. If they do, what are their displayed properties?

Resistance to Fear Manipulation (Can still fight against Verdona, without affected by Anodite's aura)

1. What Fear Manipulation?

Supernatural Willpower (Can broke free form Ultimate Kevin's absorption and pain effects through anger)

1. I suppose.

Charmcaster:

Soul Vision - Can see souls.

1. See earlier point.

Alien X:

Information Manipulation (Type 2 [4-D]; Can erased all of existence, which includes Rex's Dimension where space, time, matter energy, etc are fundamental building blocks of reality.)

1. But how was Information Manipulated?

Chrono Navigator:

Information Manipulation (Type 2 [4-D]; Can erased all of existence, which includes Rex's Dimension where space, time, matter energy, etc are fundamental building blocks of reality.)

1. But how was Information Manipulated?

Annihilarrgh:

Information Manipulation (Type 2 [4-D]; Can erased the universe, which includes Rex's Dimension where space, time, matter energy, etc are fundamental building blocks of reality.)

1. But how was Information Manipulated?

(Alien X has Resistance to Annihilarrgh's powers this would include Information)
Chronosapien Time Bomb:

Information Manipulation (Type 2 [4-D]; Can erased all timelines, which includes Rex's Dimension where space, time, matter energy, etc are fundamental building blocks of reality.)

(Omnitrix has Resistance to CTB's powers this would include Information)

1. But how was Information Manipulated?

 

[Hellformer]

Alien X:

1. But how was Information Manipulated?

Chrono Navigator:

1. But how was Information Manipulated?

Annihilarrgh:

1. But how was Information Manipulated?

(Alien X has Resistance to Annihilarrgh's powers this would include Information)
Chronosapien Time Bomb:

(Omnitrix has Resistance to CTB's powers this would include Information)

1. But how was Information Manipulated?

It should be information destruction if I'm not wrong

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

You need to prove that Magic can change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence.

It is seen here that Magic changes the nature of Legerdomain and his true name, even they can control over over things due to can control/change over names.

He wasn't phasing in this scene.

It is their own nature to always be in a state of phasing

You would need to prove that they had zero life force and still lived.

We saw that Darkstar absorb all the life-energy from Gwen. There are many scenes in which mana users are seen losing life-energy:

1. Gwen still alive even losing their mana
2. Addwaitya still alive even losing their mana

Videos are unavailable.

I fixing it

Is this done via innate powers or via the Chrono Navigator?

Via powers/creation

Not really negation

What about Causality Manipulation (not negation)

Not really. Everyone there can see it because the purple mana is extracting it. Are literal ghosts a thing here? I forget. If they do, what are their displayed properties?

Only Gwen, Ben, Charmcaster and Kevin able to can see souls as seen here, prove? It has been mentioned that they are souls

What Fear Manipulation?

Fear Inducement (Mystical)

Alien X:

1. But how was Information Manipulated?

information destruction, like: Mei

• Information Manipulation (Type 2), Data Manipulation, Fire Manipulation, Existence Erasure, Soul Erasure, Enhanced Soul Damage/Destruction (1 Layer), Enhanced Non-Physical Interaction (Intangibility [Immaterial {1 Layer}], Data, Information [Type 2] & Soul), Statistics Amplification, Reality Warping, Durability Negation and Space-Time Manipulation (4D - Has the powers of the Samadhi Fire, who's flames are inextinguishable and can burn through everything into nothing including very fabric of reality, which includes the Cloud, a realm made of Information and Data. Can bypass the physical body and erase souls including Lady Bone Demon's essences that are layered in intangibility inside)

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Fix the page

Mana (Ben 10) page fixing

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• Fixing proves and page + Add Magic and Life-Energy Manipulation
• New A&R:

Where

1. Fine
2. Fine
3. I suppose?

Resistance:

1. BFR via Dimensional Shifting is fine.

More Non-Physical Interaction:

1. He wasn't phasing in this scene.
2. Fine

Life-Energy Manipulation

1. Fine
2. Fine
3. Fine
4. You would need to prove that they had zero life force and still lived.

Magic

1. Fine
2. Fine
3. Fine
4. You need to prove that Magic can change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence.

Resistances

1. I don't know about. The binding spell is meant to preventing him from using magic, but there seems to be spells that can by pass the restraints. I would need to know the mechanics of how the binding spell actually works. I'm fine with "possibly."

Remove:

In page:

We see in a scene that Verdon does not get confused in a fight, but rather regains her strength after becoming weak and unable to continue the fight. This is Restoration (Energy & Stamina).

1. I'm fine with removing. Not sure about restoration.

In fact, the users' entire power can be absorbed, but they continue to use it even after absorbing it, so it must be replaced with this:

1. Videos are unavailable.

Layers for Absorption:

Ben 10: Mana's Absorption Layers

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Sandbox

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Note:
This get discussed in this CRT, as many people says this should be put in Omnitrix's profile (in Power and Abilities [with separate Key]) since there is no need for Physiology and some would prefer it to be put in separate page, so I put many options:

1. I suppose a separate page is fine.

Professor Paradox

1. Is this done via innate powers or via the Chrono Navigator?

1. Not really negation

Gwen:

1. Not really. She looks in the direction of his voice and asks "Ben?" since she cannot see him.
2. Not really. Everyone there can see it because the purple mana is extracting it. Are literal ghosts a thing here? I forget. If they do, what are their displayed properties?

1. What Fear Manipulation?

1. I suppose.

Charmcaster:

1. See earlier point.

Alien X:

1. But how was Information Manipulated?

Chrono Navigator:

1. But how was Information Manipulated?

Annihilarrgh:

1. But how was Information Manipulated?

(Alien X has Resistance to Annihilarrgh's powers this would include Information)
Chronosapien Time Bomb:

(Omnitrix has Resistance to CTB's powers this would include Information)

1. But how was Information Manipulated?

Can you read?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I think I'll have to wait another week for Firestorm to respond

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

Please try not to die before making part 10 of this series, after that it will be your choice (just joking lol)

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

Hello, 911 helpline. How can we help you?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Hello, 911 helpline. How can we help you?

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[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Lort15]

me when my miraculous crt doesn't get any admins for 2 weeks ;-;

 

[Firestorm808]

I think I'll have to wait another week for Firestorm to respond

It's been a day or so. Chill...

 

[GeneralSol16]

It's been a day or so. Chill...

Now me, now me! (tier 4 CRT)

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I don't know about. The binding spell is meant to preventing him from using magic, but there seems to be spells that can by pass the restraints. I would need to know the mechanics of how the binding spell actually works. I'm fine with "possibly."

It's a spell to prevent him from using any spells or in other words "his powers", but he was able to use a spell to remove the handcuffs which means he can still use powers even after being prevented from using them. I don't see anything that makes it unclear or makes it possible that it is clear that he is still using his powers.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

It's been a day or so. Chill...

When I was absent in this period of adding some things
Alien Physiology has now:

All abilities provided by the Omnitrix, puls:

All resistances provided by the Omnitrix, puls:

(It accepted that all aliens has abilities and resistances of Omnitrix)
Ultimate Alien Physiology:
Resistance -

• Intangibility: Ghostfreak can't pass through Ultimate Aliens.

Mana Manipulation:

• Healing (Low-High) & Restoration: Energy, Life, Soul, Magic & Body and Object - Scales to Anodites can restore physical objects. Mana users can restore the souls, life energy and the physical bodies of others.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

It's been a day or so. Chill...

Seriously, bro, I have been waiting for this moment for weeks.

 

[Deleted member 40129]

Seriously, bro, I have been waiting for this moment for weeks.

Don't worry, Bro. Patience is a virtue you must learn.

 

[Firestorm808]

It is seen here that Magic changes the nature of Legerdomain and his true name, even they can control over over things due to can control/change over names.

It is their own nature to always be in a state of phasing

We saw that Darkstar absorb all the life-energy from Gwen. There are many scenes in which mana users are seen losing life-energy:

1. Gwen still alive even losing their mana
2. Addwaitya still alive even losing their mana

I fixing it

Via powers/creation

What about Causality Manipulation (not negation)

Only Gwen, Ben, Charmcaster and Kevin able to can see souls as seen here, prove? It has been mentioned that they are souls

Fear Inducement (Mystical)

information destruction, like: Mei

1. That isn't meeting our site definition.
2. The clip shows that they don't have passive phasing.
3. The clip doesn't say that Gwen was drained to absolute zero. Just generically drained of her normal level of mana. If you have literally zero mana/life energy, you are basically dead/soul-less.
4. Videos still unavailable in OP.
5. Based on what statement or clip?
6. Looking at our site definition, it's not Causality Manip either. It's just a higher form of time manipulation.
7. I don't consider this a good example.
8. Since when did Verdonna have fear manip?
9. Destruction is fine.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. That isn't meeting our site definition.

It's is as they can control over names of things so that can control over things itself (It was mentioned in a clip.) which means is Concept Alteration:

• Concept Alteration: The ability to manipulate, alter, or change concepts. By using this ability, concepts themselves can be changed in a variety of ways. The concept can have an object added to it, an object taken from it, or change the current principle of the concept. If a concept is changed, the world is altered in some way to fit this new conceptual definition, though the extent of this varies by the type of concept being manipulated.

Control=Manipulate. Also It is indicated that control means change in video.

1. The clip shows that they don't have passive phasing.

1. The clip doesn't say that Gwen was drained to absolute zero. Just generically drained of her normal level of mana. If you have literally zero mana/life energy, you are basically dead/soul-less.

Charmcaster says that Gwen don't has mana anymore. This does not apply to Mana users, and Souls-less≠Life-energy/Mana-less, Mana isn't anymore Soul, as this don't accepted.

1. Videos still unavailable in OP.

Unconventional Resistance to Absorption: Life-energy, Soul, Magic and Power - Mana users can still use their own powers even after being absorbed.

1. Based on what statement or clip?

Azmuth: He erected a chronal randomization barrier that hides the forge of creation from everyone except the forge's inhabitants... and whoever has the map.

1. Since when did Verdonna have fear manip?

In Anodite Physiology.

 

[Firestorm808]

It's is as they can control over names of things so that can control over things itself (It was mentioned in a clip.) which means is Concept Alteration:

Control=Manipulate. Also It is indicated that control means change in video.



Charmcaster says that Gwen don't has mana anymore. This does not apply to Mana users, and Souls-less≠Life-energy/Mana-less, Mana isn't anymore Soul, as this don't accepted.





In Anodite Physiology.

1. Changing a name does not change the meaning of the name. "If a concept is changed, the world is altered in some way to fit this new conceptual definition." Example: I Change the definition of a circle to be the same as a square, now all existing circles are turned into squares. Legerdomain's name might change, but as a conceptual definition, it is still the same.
2. Charmcaster drained Gwen of all her mana, basically turning Gwen into a regular human. Morningstar was draining people of their life force, not just mana. My point original point still stands. You would need to prove that they had "zero life force" and still lived.
3. We didn't agree to them having mystical fear manip. I don't know why this was added to the page. https://vsbattles.com/threads/ben-10-update-fixing-and-additions-part-5.174641

 

[Antvasima]

What Firestorm808 has accepted here can probably be applied now, but not what he has rejected.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. Changing a name does not change the meaning of the name. "If a concept is changed, the world is altered in some way to fit this new conceptual definition." Example: I Change the definition of a circle to be the same as a square, now all existing circles are turned into squares. Legerdomain's name might change, but as a concept, it is still the same.

It's is as Magic can change name of Legerdomain which causes Legerdomain to change itself at all times, they can control names of things means control things
Names is names of things like name of Legerdomain causes a change in Legerdomain itself, also they say:

• Concept Alteration: The ability to manipulate, alter, or change concepts. By using this ability, concepts themselves can be changed in a variety of ways. The concept can have an object added to it, an object taken from it, or change the current principle of the concept. If a concept is changed, the world is altered in some way to fit this new conceptual definition, though the extent of this varies by the type of concept being manipulated.

Magic can change name causing things to change by itself due to "Names" was changed

1. Charmcaster drained Gwen of all her mana, basically turning Gwen into a regular human. Morningstar was draining people of their life force, not just mana. My point original point still stands. You would need to prove that they had "zero life force" and still lived.

She didn't turn her into a normal person, she just made her without a "mana". She literally say "Wait, she doesn't have any power left!", also Gwen say "She stole all my power, how do you think I am?" so this is prove they had "zero mana/life-energy"

1. We didn't agree to them having mystical fear manip. I don't know why this was added to the page. https://vsbattles.com/threads/ben-10-update-fixing-and-additions-part-5.174641

LordGriffin1000 and ActuallySpaceMan42 say that agree, as she make him feel fear:

• Fear Inducement: The most simple form of Fear Manipulation. This is simply the ability to make the target feel frightened in some form or another. The severity of this can range from frightening them to causing them to deathly insanity.

Also they many Characters has Fear Manipulation for the same thing like Jade Emperor

• Fear Manipulation (As shown here against Peng and and Yellowtusk)

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

What Firestorm808 has accepted here can probably be applied now, but not what he has rejected.

i just want to wait for his response about CM and Immortality

 

[Firestorm808]

It's is as Magic can change name of Legerdomain which causes Legerdomain to change itself at all times, they can control names of things means control things
Names is names of things like name of Legerdomain causes a change in Legerdomain itself, also they say:

Magic can change name causing things to change by itself due to "Names" was changed

She didn't turn her into a normal person, she just made her without a "mana". She literally say "Wait, she doesn't have any power left!", also Gwen say "She stole all my power, how do you think I am?" so this is prove they had "zero mana/life-energy"

LordGriffin1000 and ActuallySpaceMan42 say that agree, as she make him feel fear:

Also they many Characters has Fear Manipulation for the same thing like Jade Emperor

1. I disagree that changing names changes the conceptual definition in this context. Do you have an on screen example of a conceptual definition changing and the objects adapting to that new definition?
2. If someone has "zero life energy," they are basically dead. This is different from a person having zero mana or magic.
3. The example provided does not meet our site standards. "It should be noted simply terrorizing the opponent either by authority, strength or demeanour only would qualify as Social Influencing, as Fear Manipulation would allow the user to inflict fear regardless of these factors." You would need a statement that their aura magically induces fear. Otherwise, being afraid of them would have no magical causal factors.
   1. Who agreed to the Jade Emperor having it? Looking at the clip, that would have been social influencing as well.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. I disagree that changing names changes the conceptual definition in this context. Do you have an on screen example of a conceptual definition changing and the objects adapting to that new definition?

Simple command:

• Alpha Rune can make name of Ledgerdomain being disappear, which causes the destruction of Legerdomain.
• Magic can change name of Legerdomain, which causes a change in the shape of the Legerdomain, which the meaning that the flow of mana has been changed.
• Charmcaster can manipulate names, which causes a change/manipulate in things.

1. If someone has "zero life energy," they are basically dead.

This does not apply to characters has Immortality (Type 2 or 7)

1. This is different from a person having zero mana or magic.

Mana is Life-energy lol, so don't has Mana=don't has Life-energy

1. The example provided does not meet our site standards. "It should be noted simply terrorizing the opponent either by authority, strength or demeanour only would qualify as Social Influencing, as Fear Manipulation would allow the user to inflict fear regardless of these factors." You would need a statement that their aura magically induces fear. Otherwise, being afraid of them would have no magical causal factors.

Social Influencing:

Instigating Fear: Characters who can in some way or the other, instigate fear and affect the thinking or confidence of another person in their verse. The ways the characters use may include usage of position or a reputation in their verse, having an appearance or a certain feature in their appearance which other characters in the verse perceive as creepy or scary and easily scared by it or driving other characters into situations where they are set to feel fear, etc. This differs from fear manipulation, as this doesn't involve any supernatural factor and is escapable through simple willpower or confidence.

Gwen is scaring Zombozo through her aura because her aura has done her own and this we don't see when she scares the rest of the characters without her aura. Also Social Influencing (Instigating Fear) is only for character can make person set to feel fear due to "appearance or a certain feature in their appearance" Gwen's appearance doesn't make her scare the enemies so it's only with her aura.

1. Who agreed to the Jade Emperor having it? Looking at the clip, that would have been social influencing as well.

He's not the only one who has this ability due to same argument as there are more characters:
Sukuna:

• Fear Manipulation (His presence causes people and curses to feel inferior to him, forcing them to act instinctively to survive<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Ryomen_Sukuna#cite_note-JJK112-21">[21]</a>)

Abhorash:

Fear Manipulation (Vampires, especially Blood Knights have the Frightening trait<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Abhorash#cite_note-:oldworld-13">[13]</a>, Honor or Death traits of Vampire Counts strike fear into their opponents who challenge them<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Abhorash#cite_note-15">[15]</a>)

Ain Elosik:

Fear Manipulation & Madness Manipulation (Types 2 & 3. Ain's existence is the figure of death itself, this makes Ain emit death and frightens the monsters and dies before Ain kills themselfs)

 

[Firestorm808]

Simple command:

• Alpha Rune can make name of Ledgerdomain being disappear, which causes the destruction of Legerdomain.
• Magic can change name of Legerdomain, which causes a change in the shape of the Legerdomain, which the meaning that the flow of mana has been changed.
• Charmcaster can manipulate names, which causes a change/manipulate in things.

This does not apply to characters has Immortality (Type 2 or 7)

Mana is Life-energy lol, so don't has Mana=don't has Life-energy

Social Influencing:

Gwen is scaring Zombozo through her aura because her aura has done her own and this we don't see when she scares the rest of the characters without her aura. Also Social Influencing (Instigating Fear) is only for character can make person set to feel fear due to "appearance or a certain feature in their appearance" Gwen's appearance doesn't make her scare the enemies so it's only with her aura.

He's not the only one who has this ability due to same argument as there are more characters:
Sukuna:

Abhorash:

Ain Elosik:

1. That is not an example of a changed conceptual definition.
2. You have to prove that they are alive with "zero life energy" first. In Charmcaster's magic vision, both Gwen and Ben look the same in terms of magic/mana.
3. You would need a statement that their supernatural aura induces fear. Otherwise, being afraid of them would have no indication of supernatural causal factors.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. That is not an example of a changed conceptual definition.

It is. Since every Name governs something, for example, the True Name of Magic governs Legerdemain and Magic, while the True Name of Legerdemain governs Mana and Legerdemain. Every thing has own name that governs it. Magic Users have the ability to control/alter names, means that can control/alter things, for example, if they change the true name of magic, they will alter both magic and Legerdemain. Also if they change the name of Legerdemain, they will modify the flow of mana and Legerdemain. If you don't agree with CM type 1, what do you think about it can be type 2 or 3?

1. You have to prove that they are alive with "zero life energy" first. In Charmcaster's magic vision, both Gwen and Ben look the same in terms of magic/mana.

Gwen literally say that she don't have any mana anymore, and it was supported by Charmcaster, being Ben and Gwen has same look like don't means Gwen still have mana, even we don't know what Mana looks like inside beings, this only means that she can still even after being has zero mana

1. You would need a statement that their supernatural aura induces fear. Otherwise, being afraid of them would have no indication of supernatural causal factors.

I don't think so... As shown in the scene that her aura is the one who makes her scare Zombozo. Ask who adds this ability in first place

 

[Firestorm808]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 @LordGriffin1000

Your input on the matter is appreciated.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

@DarkDragonMedeus @Planck69 @LordGriffin1000

Your input on the matter is appreciated.

Can you respond to this?

It is. Since every Name governs something, for example, the True Name of Magic governs Legerdemain and Magic, while the True Name of Legerdemain governs Mana and Legerdemain. Every thing has own name that governs it. Magic Users have the ability to control/alter names, means that can control/alter things, for example, if they change the true name of magic, they will alter both magic and Legerdemain. Also if they change the name of Legerdemain, they will modify the flow of mana and Legerdemain. If you don't agree with CM type 1, what do you think about it can be type 2 or 3?

Gwen literally say that she don't have any mana anymore, and it was supported by Charmcaster, being Ben and Gwen has same look like don't means Gwen still have mana, even we don't know what Mana looks like inside beings, this only means that she can still even after being has zero mana

I don't think so... As shown in the scene that her aura is the one who makes her scare Zombozo. Ask who adds this ability in first place

 

[Firestorm808]

It is. Since every Name governs something, for example, the True Name of Magic governs Legerdemain and Magic, while the True Name of Legerdemain governs Mana and Legerdemain. Every thing has own name that governs it. Magic Users have the ability to control/alter names, means that can control/alter things, for example, if they change the true name of magic, they will alter both magic and Legerdemain. Also if they change the name of Legerdemain, they will modify the flow of mana and Legerdemain. If you don't agree with CM type 1, what do you think about it can be type 2 or 3?

Gwen literally say that she don't have any mana anymore, and it was supported by Charmcaster, being Ben and Gwen has same look like don't means Gwen still have mana, even we don't know what Mana looks like inside beings, this only means that she can still even after being has zero mana

I don't think so... As shown in the scene that her aura is the one who makes her scare Zombozo. Ask who adds this ability in first place

1. I disagree. Are you familiar with what a conceptual definition is?
2. I disagree.
3. How do you know, though? For example, Goku as a Super Saiyan with golden aura could do the same thing and scare someone. That doesn't mean we assume that his golden aura caused it supernaturally.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. I disagree. Are you familiar with what a conceptual definition is?

• Concept Alteration: The ability to manipulate, alter, or change concepts. By using this ability, concepts themselves can be changed in a variety of ways. The concept can have an object added to it, an object taken from it, or change the current principle of the concept. If a concept is changed, the world is altered in some way to fit this new conceptual definition, though the extent of this varies by the type of concept being manipulated.

We literally see a change in the name that makes Legerdemain change to fit its new concept/name. In this scene, Charmcaster explains that when she changed the name of the door, the door immediately closed itself to match its new name. So why is it rejected if we clearly see changes in everything to fit a new concept as explained in the terms of CM?

1. I disagree.

Yes, bro, ignore what is proven and just say, “I disagree because color shape of Gwen looks like same color shape of Ben”, although there is no proof that if they have a similar form it does not mean "look the same in terms of magic/mana." even we don't know what does mana look like inside life-from

1. How do you know, though? For example, Goku as a Super Saiyan with golden aura could do the same thing and scare someone. That doesn't mean we assume that his golden aura caused it supernaturally.

Her aura has done her own and this we don't see when she scares the rest of the characters without her aura. Also Social Influencing (Instigating Fear) is only for character can make person set to feel fear due to "appearance or a certain feature in their appearance" Gwen's appearance doesn't make her scare the enemies so it's only with her aura. Show me

 

[Firestorm808]

Alpha Rune can make name of Ledgerdomain being disappear, which causes the destruction of Legerdomain.

1. Looking at your previous post again, there are misconceptions. The destruction of the Alpha Rune did not destroy Legerdomain. Only the dude's castle was destroyed because the Rune's magic was holding it together. Charmcaster stayed behind in the dimension to help her people. That couldn't happen if Legerdomain was destroyed.

• Concept Alteration: The ability to manipulate, alter, or change concepts. By using this ability, concepts themselves can be changed in a variety of ways. The concept can have an object added to it, an object taken from it, or change the current principle of the concept. If a concept is changed, the world is altered in some way to fit this new conceptual definition, though the extent of this varies by the type of concept being manipulated.

We literally see a change in the name that makes Legerdemain change to fit its new concept/name. In this scene, Charmcaster explains that when she changed the name of the door, the door immediately closed itself to match its new name. So why is it rejected if we clearly see changes in everything to fit a new concept as explained in the terms of CM?

Yes, bro, ignore what is proven and just say, “I disagree because color shape of Gwen looks like same color shape of Ben”, although there is no proof that if they have a similar form it does not mean "look the same in terms of magic/mana." even we don't know what does mana look like inside life-from

Her aura has done her own and this we don't see when she scares the rest of the characters without her aura. Also Social Influencing (Instigating Fear) is only for character can make person set to feel fear due to "appearance or a certain feature in their appearance" Gwen's appearance doesn't make her scare the enemies so it's only with her aura. Show me

1. At best, changing the name of a single door to make it lock might be type 3, but that's iffy in my opinion. Feel free to talk to the other staff on the matter.
2. How else would Charmcaster's magic vision indicate that Gwen still had magic if not to show Gwen as a different visual effect than Ben? Feel free to talk to the other staff on the matter. I don't see anything that indicates that Gwen can stay alive with literally zero life energy.
3. The ability page says that there are multiple ways to induce fear through social influence. "The ways the characters use may include usage of position or a reputation in their verse, having an appearance or a certain feature in their appearance which other characters in the verse perceive as creepy or scary and easily scared by it or driving other characters into situations where they are set to feel fear, etc." Link clips that directly show that the aura itself is influencing the other person's mind to make them afraid or whatever.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

1. Looking at your previous post again, there are misconceptions. The destruction of the Alpha Rune did not destroy Legerdomain. Only the dude's castle was destroyed because the Rune's magic was holding it together. Charmcaster stayed behind in the dimension to help her people. That couldn't happen if Legerdomain was destroyed.

She brought back the Alpha Rune before the total destruction

1. At best, changing the name of a single door to make it lock might be type 3, but that's iffy in my opinion. Feel free to talk to the other staff on the matter.

Ok

1. How else would Charmcaster's magic vision indicate that Gwen still had magic if not to show Gwen as a different visual effect than Ben? Feel free to talk to the other staff on the matter. I don't see anything that indicates that Gwen can stay alive with literally zero life energy.

Mana appears as an aura around Magic users. Ben is not a mana user so he does not have an aura

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Not enough evidence for Conceptual Manipulation Type 1. Maybe Type 3 with the name thing. I've always been iffy with the Immortality thing, and I disagree with it.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I've always been iffy with the Immortality thing, and I disagree with it.

If you think if Gwen doesn't have a mana then that doesn't mean she exists because she's made of mana it's wrong because she has two body as she part of Anodite and Human