Minaaaa
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I think he would already have it due to nep
I think they would due to s2 being from garmadons body and gm due to the mech thing
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Ninjago: Upgrade & Abilities - Part 1
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Uh, no. Mid-Godly is not just Low-Godly + some kind of Soul Manip resistance, you need to directly be able to regen stuff.
We literally see in both cases soul entering the body tho. And both of them were never body controled the way Crystal King was.
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If Oni destruction gets accepted as CM erasure, Gp should get the same features as.
The Omega: So, this is the Realm of the First Spinjitzu Master? Soon, the power will be gone. Forever.
Lloyd: Power? (Turns to Garmadon.) Father, what is he talking about?
Garmadon: What do you think? Power of your grandfather, the power of Creation.
He's wiping out creation/golden power which is a part of the balance concept
btw this is on the omega page so it's already accepted
Omega (Ninjago)
The Omega is the evil leader of the Oni from the First Realm. He sought to destroy all the Realms of Creation and nearly achieved his goal until he ultimatly got defeated by the ninjas and the sons of The First Spinjitzu Master's Tornado of Creation. He was also an enemy that made Garmadon...
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Minaaaa
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I was talking about the soul resistance stuff mb
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The dragon overlord is his original form, it's stated in the source you used. Also, the overlord was changed in crystallized to always come back, as stated by Garmy and Wu. His dragon form is the embodiment of darkness and all evil, and the fact that Lloyd defeated him, caused the evil overlord caused on Ninjago to disappear, all darkness in Garmy disappeared. USM is a half-oni, which in the oni army page already seems to have cm erasure. USM powers are Destruction and Creation too, which is the oni's element
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Uh, no. It’s his soul that is embodiment of all evil. Otherwise there would be no evil without dragon, but there is.
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The dragon form is the original and most powerful form, he existed 1st as a dragon, and when he regained his power he became a dragon in s2, FSM fought his original form the dragon who is evil itself. here ,here, here. His dragon form is evil itself since his soul form is a weaker version of his original form a dragon.
The overlord's death still changed the balance
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I have issue with this. Overlord's NEP and Infinite Stamina already encompasses it.
ABOUT HIGH-GODLY STUFF:
As we all know, when Overlord possessed Garmadon, he entered his body (that's why all his Spirit Form powers are in play later). He mutated the body and then fight with USM. Considering that Lloyd attacked the Overlord directly (because Garmadon was purified after that and his body and soul were alright) we see that USM's attack destroyed Overlord's spirit bypassing Garmadon. Then, let's look on the Spirit:
Thus, we see that Overlord, being a concept, was destroyed. Also interesting thing about evil: well, when Overlord was destroyed, all of evil in the universe was also destroyed for a moment before he regenerated (because he is the source of all evil in the first place). Someone may say: "Overlord was just removed from the body". Well, no. USM and other wise guys like Wu believed that Overlord was, like, completely defeated and this is the reason why everyone on S3 were surprised when the Overlord took over Borg's Tower systems. Considering it and also considering that GP is literally Light - well, Overlord was destroyed as the concept. However, he is able to regenerate because Darkness cannot be destroyed for good. Thus, High-Godly seems fine for me.
No, he escaped + virus form is simply the code. True Overlord was that kraken-like blue-black thing within Digiverse:
Other stuff: okay, may other users discuss it. I know a lot of shit only about the Overlord.
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He made of Dark Matter, which gives stone army the power to can't be tire or weaken, so it should be comparable to Stone Army.
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Which is there for no valid reason tbh.
It was never stated though? Lloyd could have just purified everything (as accepted on profile).
@Minaaaa’s scan literally shows bro survived. Nobody says his soul wasn’t attacked - it was, but he just survived it.
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he was destroyed but he came back because the nature of the overlord is him returning as Wu said, and the fact wu and garmy were so shocked even tho, they know that he always comes back, if he Is Destroyed. He survived it because he was feeding on darkness and returned
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Tommy say The Overlord was killed/destroyed, so this scan is not true.
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Does not really contradict Minaaaa’s statement she sent. I’d like you to check the definition of “apparently”. It’s basically same as “seemingly”, meaning there is no contradiction.
Your statement on Wu and Nya conversation literally talks about taking form and body, not soul.
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None of scans you provided give the outright confirmation that Overlord’s soul was destroyed. Also, the first one seems to be about that Overlord was supposed to die before Season 3 plot came out? (That’s why it’s better to link to tweets instead of screenshoting them)
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he was supposed to be dead but he came back "somehow", he didnt ltank the attack from USM, so it should be some regen
I thought his soul was accepted for regen?
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I was talking about the fact that originally, no Season 3 was planned and Overlord was supposed to be dead for once and for all.
Minaaa literally sent that he survived. Not tanked btw.
It was, but it shouldn’t.
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Here's the thing. Creation was going to be wiped out by spreading destruction across the realms which would get rid of creation via corruption because it will be replaced by destruction not via direct concept destruction, This scan literally says that the oni were gonna destroy creation by engulfing Ninjago in destruction, and also what's accepted in his profile is that the conceptual destruction is via the oni cloud which destroys creation via engulfing the realms in destruction. I don't think that regular destruction attacks should get conceptual destruction otherwise base Lloyd will have resistance to conceptual destruction since he survived a destruction attack from Garmadon and the earth driller of all things will have the same resistance.
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Preceding existence is a reason for NEP: Overlord predated creation.
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As you know, Golden Master wasn't simply shell like Crystal King form.
Here's something:
Anyway, yes. Not completely correct (since he also used Golden Weapons), but we can see that Golden Master form is tied to his spirit form. Moreover, Overlord claims that he "fed up with pathetic mortal bodies":
So destruction of GM form is a good feat for regen.
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Can you please express your opinion to the post above?
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Omega didn't use Destruction in this scene, every time Omega hits someone with his stick a purple glow appears and then disappears which is completely different from what we see in Destruction.
Their mission was to destroy Creation, not through corruption, even if it destroyed Realms, it doesn't change the fact that they were destroying Creation, and that's what scan literally says.
Where did he say he literally said "He tried to engulf all of Ninjago in Destruction and wipe out Creation" he didn't say what you're saying.
And in the same resident he says "Almost succeeded in wiping out all Creation".
Yh I find with remove CMD
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That is not NEP? NEP is not existing, not preceding existence. If true Overlord had NEP, this meant that literal concept of Evil just doesn’t exist… and you know why that sounds dumb.
A problem: we don’t have any proof why Zane had attacked the soul and not just body. In sucg cases we just assume Low-Godly unless soul destruction is proven.
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NEP is not truest nonexistence:
In Overlord's case it just mean that preceding Creation, Overlord exists in other state different from, for example, Creation or Destruction lacking some aspects due to existence before Creation. It's simple.
As we know from Season 10, March of the Oni (WoG), Zane absorbed Golden Power and turned it against Overlord. Thus, this is similar to the battle with USM with one small difference: in this fight, due to GM form being armor + spirit, Zane blasted Overlord destroying body and, as a result, spirit due to Golden Armor being a vessel for Overlord's own, immortal body made from spirit inhabiting armor.
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And how exactly does that contradict Soul Destruction? If Lloyd had to directly damage Overlord's spirit and then obliderate it, wouldn't that qualify?
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And? It just means it is not non-existence in a purest philosophical sense, but it still means nonexistence. Type 1 still means that it does not exist. Evil not existing in Ninjago is just very contradictory.
None of that is NEP.
I don't really see why you assume the soul was erased.
It does not contradict soul destruction/damage. His soul was definitely hurt. What is contradicted is soul erasure. We know it was not destroyed but survived, and for Mid-Godly you need the soul erased.
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It means that Overlord lacks aspects which are necessary for other characters to exist and yet he can exist without them. No contradiction.
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No, it really means he does not exist given that it says his soul is nonexistent, and it that state, he IS just a soul. And he has no evidence of having NEP in the first place, predating Creation is not that.
But this deserves its own thread.
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It was accepted just because Overlord predates time and overall Universe (which is mentioned in profile) and, considering Ninjago canon, we do not have confirmation that before universe (before conceptual CREATION and DESTRUCTION lol) was something.
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He literally just exists in unconventional state. That's all. Theme closed.
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You would need to have a statement of nothing existing there, not just "nobody said there was something". Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
Aaaand in the primary source, the series, it was stated that he was a response to Light coming to Ninjago (FSM) anyways, which makes it even worse.
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Pretty sure Overlord was a being that always existed, and knowing the 1st Realm was implied to have been created, we can argue he predates even that
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He existed before the overall universe. Let's bring up his statement:
Since time (which is a thread that holds reality together basically) came into existence, balance of power (which was fully in Darkness before) was shifted towards literally balance and Overlord wants to return it to darkness again which can mean basically bye-bye Light and, as result, time and, as result, reality. Basically quote is on profile...
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WAIT WAIT WAIT. WTF Immortality Type 9 is doing on "Possessing Garmadon" key?? It should be removed
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Should High-Godly be removed?
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Based on that, idk why NEP should be removed
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Bring staff in here
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Bump
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Sorry, been busy and forgot about this. Anyways, im still not seeing high-godly here, while the overlord is evil itself, he still relies on evil, darkness, etc to exist. The overlord would need to be able to come back with those things being gone for it to be high godly.
Not seeing regen here either. The quote above is just talking about how he doesn't want to possess a body anymore, but that he wants a body of his own.
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Greatly disagree with all Concept Manip and High-Godly stuff FRA plus a few more that I can go into later. Speed stuff is fine.
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normal concept manp was agreed in a thread prior and the balance is accepted as a concept,
First of all, here was accepted that Balance is a concept of multiverse so therefore, now we will add Concept Manip.
Page for Concept Explanation
I have done page for the explanation of the concept to be added in Explanations
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Basic Terminology
Before we go to the explanation, first we should establish some basic terminologies of the verse so it will be easier to recognize them when we get to the main explanation itself.
I have done page for the explanation of the concept to be added in Explanations
Concepts in Ninjago
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Before we go to the explanation, first we should establish some basic terminologies of the verse so it will be easier to recognize them when we get to the main explanation itself.
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Can we get a scan from magazine? Cuz this would be a leading question without the actual scan.
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