A Psychic Vs A Cultivator - Battle for the 3th spot on 5-B (Non-Smurfs) | Kusuo vs Meng Chuan

[Edutyn]

Kusuo Without Limiters Vs Meng Chuan Supremacy
SBA
R1: Equal Speed
R2: Unequal speed​

The Psychic:

The Cultivator:

 

[ShionAH]

Perception and BFR seem to be wincons at the top of my head

 

[Deonment]

Perception and BFR seem to be wincons at the top of my head

BFR won't work cause of his immo type 8 in another dimension and his own dimensional travel, perception manip won't work because of his general mind manip resist and the type 8
Anyways, to get into some detail on what Meng can do, to quote Zara from another thread

Meng Chuan will be faster in any instance as his first move in this key is either the Saber of Nirvana or Infinite Saber.

He will passively stop all the laws from being usble within his domain range. Absorb his foe energy, plus other effect which are more potent than the following ones:

Then he has his domains active in combat which will increas his speed, power, defense, plus all things aporoaching him including attacks will be affected by a repulsive force that gets stronger the closer it gets (using space itself as a mean), plus let him sense anything within its reach. While an active thing is that if he wished it can invade the body of those in range and make them lose their consciousness. All this being just the Darkstar domain.

Then the Seamless Domain has an even stronger repulsive force (void) that not only repulses things but also weakens them. Then increase his ststistics while lowering his by 30%. Plus even more extra sensory things and if someone the repulsive force is bypassed it also grants him layers of forcefield around his body.

While the Dharma Domain lets him control space-time.

The domains also affect the laws.

He also can attack through Karma, so as long as he had any interaction with anything that is connected to Rimuru, he can use it to attack through spaces and dimensions to bypass all arrays, forcefields, distance, etc. Plus with his saber arts once used will make him exist within deeper layers of the void/space, so Rimuru would need to reach him - 18+ layers.

His strongest art is the Essence Soul World that that created a separate spscetime that covers 1.5 million km.

Plus he can get MFTL+ travel speed by going through the river of spacetime to escape and attack from outside of his foe range.

He also has baleful arua which is a passive aura that freezes stuff to AZ and shatters them to nothing

And this isn't everything

 

[Edutyn]

BFR won't work cause of his immo type 8 in another dimension and his own dimensional travel

Can he return from an Interdimensional BFR?

Anyways, to get into some detail on what Meng can do, to quote Zara from another thread

The domains are listed as planetary in range so Saiki can always teleport to another universe and plan his strategy there. Saiki has a passive precognition that will activate when he is in danger, instinctive action that works with a difference of 100x, a durability of 5.9 Yottatons, passive plot manipulation, better regeneration, and erasure of concepts and information, and power nullification with 2 layers

He also has baleful arua which is a passive aura that freezes stuff to AZ and shatters them to nothing

How big is the aura? Because Saiki's aura can cover other auras.

 

[ShionAH]

Pretty sure Kusuos Aura just nullifies the aura, its the perfect counter

 

[Deonment]

Can he return from an Interdimensional BFR?

Yeah but it doesn't matter considering how he can attack even past it with Karma attacks anyways

The domains are listed as planetary in range so Saiki can always teleport to another universe and plan his strategy there

Teleportation won't work for the reasons I said above

Saiki has a passive precognition that will activate when he is in danger, instinctive action that works with a difference of 100x

Doesn't actually help, he gets stat reduced and meng gets amped to the point that he gets statued as meng hao uses his first move before dying on the spot even with both of those, even without taking into account the fact he is going to die off rip to the baneful/baleful aura or domains

a durability of 5.9 Yottatons

Doesn't help as this is a battle of hax, not AP

passive plot manipulation

Reading through it and the passive bit, doesn't really seem to help him here

better regeneration

Doesn't matter considering he would need at least high regen to deal with the AZ stuff, let alone all the more metaphysical aspects of Meng Hao's kit

and erasure of concepts and information, and power nullification with 2 layers

Won't get to use it as he gets blitzed

How big is the aura? Because Saiki's aura can cover other auras.

That doesn't really mean anything, what
Like from the scan itself, his aura doesn't remove other auras, it just conceals them because it's like comparing an industrial spotlight to a firefly
Either way, considering his aura could freeze mountains in the distance from him just touching down, yeah, it isn't

Pretty sure Kusuos Aura just nullifies the aura, its the perfect counter

I see nothing above that, even with the covering up point, and that doesn't stop literally everything else, it only stops him from dying passively, he still loses to literally everything else

Even with all this if he somehow manages to kill Meng's clone, his real body can just go into the river of time and amp his speed even more absurdly and make him unreachable to Saiki and gank him from there

 

[ShionAH]

How much faster is Meng? Unless its a over 700x gap Kusuo wont get blitzed

Also Passive Plot manipulation just kinda stomps here

 

[Deonment]

How much faster is Meng? Unless its a over 700x gap Kusuo wont get blitzed

That seems wrong considering the feat for his instinctive reaction is being able to react to stuff from his 100x stronger self, but anyways
Tldr; Seemless domains buffs all his stats by 30% and drops Saiki's stats by the same amount, his electromagnetic domain increases his speed by a further 60%, darkstar is at least another 30% amp, and the saber of nirvana gives him an 80x speed amp, which more than makes up that difference, let alone the 100x one, and that gap still doesn't let him avoid passive AZ killing him anyways

Also Passive Plot manipulation just kinda stomps here

No it doesn't, I read the justification regarding the passive plot manip and it absolutely isn't applicable here, either way I will reiterate, doesn't stop him from getting AZ'd and dying on the spot in mind body and soul

 

[ShionAH]

That seems wrong considering the feat for his instinctive reaction is being able to react to stuff from his 100x stronger self

Hs can react 100x fasterz so you need to he 700x faster to blitz. Since blitzing means being faster by 7x.

No it doesn't, I read the justification regarding the passive plot manip and it absolutely isn't applicable here, either way I will reiterate, doesn't stop him from getting AZ'd and dying on the spot in mind body and soul

It pretty much does, his plot manipulation can change and create entire chapters and books. In the novel we further learn that this ability is passive and is basically plot armour. By your logic of argument I could say "No it doesnt kill saiki, I read the justification!" but that doesnt mean its a good argument at all

 

[Deonment]

Hs can react 100x fasterz so you need to he 700x faster to blitz. Since blitzing means being faster by 7x.

K, so yeah he does just blitz considering all the amps and debuffs he has

It pretty much does, his plot manipulation can change and create entire chapters and books. In the novel we further learn that this ability is passive and is basically plot armour. By your logic of argument I could say "No it doesnt kill saiki, I read the justification!" but that doesnt mean its a good argument at all

Well fix the justification and scans on the blog then, because it says nothing of the sort regarding the passive application, it acts to make them the center of the story and stuff, sure, but it doesn't act as plot armor or what have you, bring up other scans about it being passive if there's more, but everything else in the plot manip stuff that could in theory be useful here but the rest takes some degree of active effort on his part that he won't get to take as he gets destroyed by Meng

 

[ShionAH]

Meng is only 40C with all his amps

Kusuo is 985 C, thats around 24x faster.

Thats not all similar to Meng, Kusuo can also amp himself and debuff the enemies. Though @Edutyn is the one who knows how much it affects.

What debuffs does he have that will make Kusuo way over 308x times slower?

Being the protagonist makes it so everything you say is the correct because "the main character is always right". Anytime you are in a situation where you are supposed to lose somehow for some reason ever being around you will shift the situation to make it seem like you won because "the main character always wins". Events literally wait for the main protagonist to enter with a dramatic fashion.

Another thing is, Kusuo has RE and AD active at all times. Giving him passive speed, strenght, intelligence, insane ability and resistances. Hell if Meng cannot kill him instantly Kusuo will adapt and resist the debuffs

 

[Deonment]

Meng is only 40C with all his amps

Kusuo is 985 C, thats around 24x faster.

Thats not all similar to Meng, Kusuo can also amp himself and debuff the enemies. Though @Edutyn is the one who knows how much it affects.

What debuffs does he have that will make Kusuo way over 308x times slower?

The list assumes speed equal as a baseline, I wouldn't be arguing this otherwise because that is a very large speed diff
Everything still stays as relative, so yeah all those amps do cross well and above the 700x threshold, especially as Saiki will be slower off the passive amps alone, meaning that meng will just get to take the first move

Also Meng is like, multiple trillion c with his highest amp to clarify

Being the protagonist makes it so everything you say is the correct because "the main character is always right". Anytime you are in a situation where you are supposed to lose somehow for some reason ever being around you will shift the situation to make it seem like you won because "the main character always wins". Events literally wait for the main protagonist to enter with a dramatic fashion.

I think you linked the wrong scan for the first one because that's talking about saiki writing his own novel, anyways it still requires him to say or think something, which he won't get to do here
The second would require his plot manip to somehow stop Saiki from dying from the passives, which I can maybe imagine it doing for the AZ as it is in its earlier key (which does have feats on working on the mind and soul btw), but considering it and the rest of his domains are all law based/some of them **** with laws, and the laws in question being laws as fundamental as type 1 concepts, and so doesn't really have the feats needed to mess with them
For the third, well Saiki is already here so nothing will be waiting on him

Another thing is, Kusuo has RE and AD active at all times. Giving him passive speed, strenght, intelligence, insane ability and resistances. Hell if Meng cannot kill him instantly Kusuo will adapt and resist the debuffs

Yes he is killing him on the spot, whether through mind, body, soul AZ, EE, or something else in his bag of tricks, like the chaos hole domain passively removing all the fundamental laws of reality from around him including the ones needed for life or complex matter to exist

 

[ShionAH]

Meng is only that fast in travel speed, also those amps definitely wont make him MFTL in combat. Both of them will amp themselves and debuff the other, yet Kusuo will keep his speed advantage and the IA which is also a 100x thing.

We should wait for @Edutyn to tell how much the amps of Kusuo affect him and others

The Plot we are talking about governs Type 2 Information which is relative to Type 1 Concepts, so yes it would affect the laws.

 

[Deonment]

You know what, I think Zara would be able to argue this better than me, I'll see if I can get him to respond

 

[ShionAH]

Bump?

 

[Zaratthustra]

Kinda late but will look today through it and I will respond here, but till then Meng Chuan is 40 times faster than the speed of light while using his fastest attacks which increases depending on how much his domains affect his opponent. If his opponent can't kill both of his bodies then he will likely lose the match as nothing will stop him then to attack with the other body through their karmic connection which is established the instant they make any contact.

 

[ShionAH]

depending on how much his domains affect his opponent

Since Saiki has layered Power Null and Aura that can completely stop other Aura based abilities, would that just stop the domain?

 

[Zaratthustra]

A Domain is not aura based but each is unique in its way. One uses gravity as medium to affect the world, another use the void to affect the space, one uses his own electromagnetic particles to interact with the outside world, one use the laws and spacetime, etc as he's not a normal corporeal being but a being where each particle in his body is s chaotic black hole that contains the laws of space and time.

He also can power null with his Darkstar domain making all laws and powers that fall under them useless.

Before an attack reaches him, it would need to bypass his armors that can block equivalent arts of his level. So he wont be killed in one try, and nothing stops him once he see such a strong opponent to go deeper within the spatial layers. If Saiki can't bypass dozens of spatial layers, then he can't even reach his normal saber defensive arts, let alone the stronger defensive domains that are more potent than it. Then to actually kill him it would need to somehow bypass the Archean Mountain separate dimension and its arrays that someone at Meng Chuan level can't manage within the novel who is stronger than 5th Tribulation beings. The 6th Tribulation scales vastly above and even them can't as the sect defensive mechanism are created by someone who was in the past a 7th Tribulation Eminence (his next key of prowess).

 

[ShionAH]

He also can power null with his Darkstar domain making all laws and powers that fall under them useless.

Saiki Resists that

Before an attack reaches him, it would need to bypass his armors that can block equivalent arts of his level. So he wont be killed in one try, and nothing stops him once he see such a strong opponent to go deeper within the spatial layers. If Saiki can't bypass dozens of spatial layers, then he can't even reach his normal saber defensive arts, let alone the stronger defensive domains that are more potent than it. Then to actually kill him it would need to somehow bypass the Archean Mountain separate dimension and its arrays that someone at Meng Chuan level can't manage within the novel who is stronger than 5th Tribulation beings. The 6th Tribulation scales vastly above and even them can't as the sect defensive mechanism are created by someone who was in the past a 7th Tribulation Eminence (his next key of prowess).

Okay, so I dont see any Concept or Information based defenses. What really stops Kusuo from just thinking and erasing bro on a Information and Conceptual level? Scratch that, how does this stop Kusuo’s Passive Plot Manipulation that literally governs Concepts and Information entirely.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Because it cant reach him? If you can't reach someone with a power then its useless. Its it even Saiki's first move? Did he use it like that (the plot power) on someone instantly the first time and at the beginning of a fight?

Unlike Meng Chuan, Saiki only has interdimensional with teleportation, not attacks.

Meng can simply go within a deeper spatial layer and attack from there or if somehow his first self dies then he will attack through karma bypassing distance, defensive, spatial layers and dimensions alike.

 

[ShionAH]

Meng can simply go within a deeper spatial layer and attack from there or if somehow his first self dies then he will attack through karma bypassing distance, defensive, spatial layers and dimensions alike.

Saiki can pretty much easily just take Meng Chuan to a closer place, his teleportation and BFR can reach up to a 2-A multiverses universes, thats not all because the passive plot should just allow Kusuo to win no matter what Meng Chuan does due to having a canonical plot armour and ability to control the narrative entirely at his will.

What do you mean with "a deeper spatial layer"? Tf is that?

Due to his abilities Kusuo just instantly knows everything about Meng Chuan, including intentions. Sees the future and just picks the best course of action, in the game it was implied that just annoying him can result in him erasing you. Though @Edutyn knows about the games more than me.

Edit: You are lying, we are using the third key of Meng Chuan

Extended Melee Range with Saber, up to Tens of Meters with Saber Beams. Tens of Meters with Soul Sensing (Seeing) and five Hundreds of Meters with Soul Sensing (Sensing) | Tens of Kilometers normally (Up to 25 kilometers), Tens of Kilometers with Quintessential Essence Threads (Up to Tens of Kilometers), Tens of Kilometers with Saber Beams/Lightning Bolts (At least Tens of Kilometers) and a Hundreds of Kilometers with Domains | Planetary with Domains (Up to 30,000 kilometers), Stellar with Sensing (Up to 50 million kilometers), Stellar with Essence Soul World (Up to 1.5 million kilometers). Planetary with Teleportation (to 400,000 kilometers) and Intergalactic with Talismans (Can teleport to another galaxy and even further)

He only has Intergalactic range.

 

[Edutyn]

Kinda late

Yes

but will look today through it and I will respond here, but till then Meng Chuan is 40 times faster than the speed of light while using his fastest attacks which increases depending on how much his domains affect his opponent.

I made the match to be: Round 1 Speed Equal. Round 2 Unequal speed
In the first, Saiki has Instinctive Action which works with a difference of 100x. In the second Saiki scales to 985c. And at a certain point, he can use his powers without thinking.

Before an attack reaches him, it would need to bypass his armors that can block equivalent arts of his level. So he wont be killed in one try, and nothing stops him once he see such a strong opponent to go deeper within the spatial layers. If Saiki can't bypass dozens of spatial layers, then he can't even reach his normal saber defensive arts, let alone the stronger defensive domains that are more potent than it. Then to actually kill him it would need to somehow bypass the Archean Mountain separate dimension and its arrays that someone at Meng Chuan level can't manage within the novel who is stronger than 5th Tribulation beings. The 6th Tribulation scales vastly above and even them can't as the sect defensive mechanism are created by someone who was in the past a 7th Tribulation Eminence (his next key of prowess).

What about abilities that appear directly on him?

Did he use it like that (the plot power) on someone instantly the first time and at the beginning of a fight?

It's passive

 

[Edutyn]

Due to his abilities Kusuo just instantly knows everything about Meng Chuan, including intentions. Sees the future and just picks the best course of action, in the game it was implied that just annoying him can result in him erasing you. Though @Edutyn knows about the games more than me.

Very summarized, Kusuke traps Kusuo in an alternate universe -> Kusuo threatens to erase the delusion program -> Kusuo erases it.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Saiki can pretty much easily just take Meng Chuan to a closer place, his teleportation and BFR can reach up to a 2-A multiverses universes, thats not all because the passive plot should just allow Kusuo to win no matter what Meng Chuan does due to having a canonical plot armour and ability to control the narrative entirely at his will.

What do you mean with "a deeper spatial layer"? Tf is that?

Due to his abilities Kusuo just instantly knows everything about Meng Chuan, including intentions. Sees the future and just picks the best course of action, in the game it was implied that just annoying him can result in him erasing you. Though @Edutyn knows about the games more than me.

Edit: You are lying, we are using the third key of Meng Chuan

Extended Melee Range with Saber, up to Tens of Meters with Saber Beams. Tens of Meters with Soul Sensing (Seeing) and five Hundreds of Meters with Soul Sensing (Sensing) | Tens of Kilometers normally (Up to 25 kilometers), Tens of Kilometers with Quintessential Essence Threads (Up to Tens of Kilometers), Tens of Kilometers with Saber Beams/Lightning Bolts (At least Tens of Kilometers) and a Hundreds of Kilometers with Domains | Planetary with Domains (Up to 30,000 kilometers), Stellar with Sensing (Up to 50 million kilometers), Stellar with Essence Soul World (Up to 1.5 million kilometers). Planetary with Teleportation (to 400,000 kilometers) and Intergalactic with Talismans (Can teleport to another galaxy and even further)

He only has Intergalactic range.

About what Im lying? If say such a thing about me or someone else also mention what they are lying about. I have never done it. Yeah, we are using the third key, I was mentioning what kind of realm of Cultivation is needed to be able to overpower the defensive arrays of the Archean Mountain. Look on Meng Chuan's third key - Karma section and you can see the mention of dimension bypassing. Look on the second key or third and youll see he has dimensional attacks/travel (guess I forget to add it to the range section but its present on the profile as its an old one). So don't call someone a liar if you don't understand a thing, just as and it will be explained if its not enough and I may have made it confusing.

Spatial layer is like a book with with multiple files. The first file is the spatial layer where we exist, the second file is a deeper layer of space, the third file is a deeper spatial layer than the second one etc. Or take it as a cake with multiple layers, the characters are live on the highest layer to reach the bottom one would neet to cut through multiple cake layers to do it.

On the rage it just says interdimensiona with teleportation, not how much. On the A&P teleportation section it doesn't say multiversal in scale but just "another world".

Win no matter what, plot armor is vague - he created two chapters, grow 80 m...it doesn't seem combat applicable.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Yes

I made the match to be: Round 1 Speed Equal. Round 2 Unequal speed
In the first, Saiki has Instinctive Action which works with a difference of 100x. In the second Saiki scales to 985c. And at a certain point, he can use his powers without thinking.

What about abilities that appear directly on him?

It's passive

If its speed equal then Saiki doesn't win this one as Meng Chuan's speed amps are arts, not his base speed so they won't be equalised.

In second, Saiki has the speed department win.

Thinking speed doesn't help.

To appear on him, it would still need range.

 

[ShionAH]

About what Im lying? If say such a thing about me or someone else also mention what they are lying about.

You are saying Mang Chen has Interdimensional and etc. range, yet he does not.

I have never done it. Yeah, we are using the third key, I was mentioning what kind of realm of Cultivation is needed to be able to overpower the defensive arrays of the Archean Mountain. Look on Meng Chuan's third key - Karma section and you can see the mention of dimension bypassing.

Can you quote the profile, where it says he can hide into other spatial dimensions and universes? Since his range is only in the galaxy rather than anything higher

On the rage it just says interdimensiona with teleportation, not how much. On the A&P teleportation section it doesn't say multiversal in scale but just "another world".

It is a cosmology that contains infinite amount of parallel universes with each having infinite probable futures that branches off to different universes with each small decision made in the entirety of time. Kusuo can travel through these universes, its on the profile and on the verse page.

Plot armor is vague - he created two chapters, grow 80 m...it doesn't seem combat applicable.

He can also yknow... control the entire narrative to his will? Literally writing the entirety of the manga itself? Or like you said how he literalyl wrote two whole new chapters on accident just by talking about growing to 80 m? Yeah sorry but it IS combat applicable and yes it does destroy Meng since he lacks ANY resistance or counter against ANYTHING Saiki can do.

Edit: So River of Spacetime says there is only countless universes, which is infinite^2 smaller than Saikis range. Yeah no Saiki definitely can just teleport him back or teleport there if he wishes to

 

[Zaratthustra]

You are saying Mang Chen has Interdimensional and etc. range, yet he does not.

Can you quote the profile, where it says he can hide into other spatial dimensions and universes? Since his range is only in the galaxy rather than anything higher

It is a cosmology that contains infinite amount of parallel universes with each having infinite probable futures that branches off to different universes with each small decision made in the entirety of time. Kusuo can travel through these universes, its on the profile and on the verse page.

He can also yknow... control the entire narrative to his will? Literally writing the entirety of the manga itself? Or like you said how he literalyl wrote two whole new chapters on accident just by talking about growing to 80 m? Yeah sorry but it IS combat applicable and yes it does destroy Meng since he lacks ANY resistance or counter against ANYTHING Saiki can do.

Edit: So River of Spacetime says there is only countless universes, which is infinite^2 smaller than Saikis range. Yeah no Saiki definitely can just teleport him back or teleport there if he wishes to

1. Spatial Dimensions - Its in the second key look at the Power and Ability section - Cloud Dragon Snake Movement Technique / Three Sword Arts and Karma - easy to bypass all kind of defenses/arrays and protective means including spatial/dimensional barriers. I never said "universes", just Interdimensional, so don't put words in my mouth. Been a long time since I've been active on the wiki till today (almost a year) and I forget that Interdimensional its just for bypassing to another Universe location and not just for bypassing in another dimension. Like I've said above, the profile is old and didn't get an update once it the range (this one) and other wiki wide things happened as I wasn't active.


2. That's on the Intelligence section and I didn't look there just on the Range/P&A section when I was at work and on phone. It should also be mentioned in one of these two section as just from there all people get its that he can "analyse" and not that its expanded on his other abilities...one its to analyse a thing and another its to be able to teleport through infinite universes. If Saiki got 2-A range then he's a smurf which invalidates this match and whatever ranking he got on the non-smurf thread if things didn't change meanwhile.

3. Growing 80m is nothing super or amazing. Sure controlling the plot its a meta ability but from the scans (second one is broken for me from the profile so I can't see what it happens there) it doesn't seem combat related from my perspective. He may have added 2 new chapters where he grew 80m but this doesn't mean he can do anything with the plot manipulation like how Y who can manipulate time can just accelerate or slow it but not freeze or fully stop it. Y may control time but not all aspects just like how Saiki doesn't seem to have that many applications of it. Alike Meng Chuan can only accelerate it and stop it through sheer speed (through the use of the saber arts that mention how by reaching the speed of light one will stop time) but not have other applications.

4. The River of Spactime doesn't have a part in this as it got nothing to do with him beyond Chuan being able to use to travel and his sensory abilities.

 

[ShionAH]

1. Spatial Dimensions - Its in the second key look at the Power and Ability section - Cloud Dragon Snake Movement Technique / Three Sword Arts and Karma - easy to bypass all kind of defenses/arrays and protective means including spatial/dimensional barriers. I never said "universes", just Interdimensional, so don't put words in my mouth.

Interdimensional means between dimensions and dimensions are the same as universes unless they are Tier 1. I still dont see anything on the profile that says he can go beyond Kusuo’s range. So I think Kusuo just outhaxes

That's on the Intelligence section and I didn't look there just on the Range/P&A section when I was at work and on phone. It should also be mentioned in one of these two section as just from there all people get its that he can "analyse" and not that its expanded on his other abilities...one its to analyse a thing and another its to be able to teleport through infinite universes. If Saiki got 2-A range then he's a smurf which invalidates this match and whatever ranking he got on the non-smurf thread if things didn't change meanwhile.

You don need to explain why you didnt see nun bro

Its also in the cosmology blog, you should have searched the verde page for it before making any bold claims. Haha well no, since Kusuo only has Interdimensional range that is 2-A ranged. He cannot travel across the universe only to other universes. Making it interdimensional sams as Meng Chuan just much stronger

Growing 80m is nothing super or amazing.

Are you playing dumb? Impressive stuff is him creating chapters. Hell ignore that feat it doesnt matter, he literally states he wrote and completely controls the entirety of his novel. Your argument was rejected before so stop trying this escape route.


None of your arguments really changed my mind, I also dont see anything stopping Saiki from erasing or narratively writing Meng off. Voting the Psychic

 

[Zaratthustra]

Yeah, not worth the effort as I see you don't know how to debate without resorting to badmouthing someone in a thread. Also, anything that is above High 3-A is smurf within tiers 9-3.

Interdimensional is when someone can reach another spacetime/universe but not cover a location that is universe-sized, not just a simple dimension. It depends on the verse mechanics mostly anyway.

I did mention I wasn't home and I will comment later when I reached home ...thus I've read just a part of the page linked on phone but it seems you can't even read that part as you didn't even look on his opponent Ability and Powers section to read the Dimensional Travel/Attack or Space/Karma.

Anyway, do whatever you wish as I don't care to talk with someone that doesn't have a grain of politeness when talking with another person on a subject.

 

[ShionAH]

Boo hoo, it isnt that deep dawg