Can you have BDE and HDE at the same time?

[ProfectusInfinity]

Let's say a character/race has explicit statements for both HDE and BDE (Type 2). Are there explicit standards saying you have to choose one or the other, or can you just index both and shrug at the contradiction of that?

 

[AigerTheKing]

Let's say a character/race has explicit statements for both HDE and BDE (Type 2). Are there explicit standards saying you have to choose one or the other, or can you just index both and shrug at the contradiction of that?

Better to make a CRT for that, cuz it sounds weird

 

[Chritin]

Let's say a character/race has explicit statements for both HDE and BDE (Type 2). Are there explicit standards saying you have to choose one or the other, or can you just index both and shrug at the contradiction of that?

I would generally assume that BDE supersedes HDE. Both statements would technically be true, since they both can be used to describe a being that is generally in a higher state of existence. BDE would supersede HDE though, cause them existing beyond dimensionality is more prevalent than just existing in a higher state.

Still though, I recommend making a CRT for the specific verse you are talking about though.

 

[Bastolan27]

I don’t think you can have both (don’t quote me on that). BDE should be used. What’s the statement, though? It could refer to higher-dimensional power with BDE existence.

 

[Vietthai96]

BDE Type 2 is absolutely above any HDE level, BDE type 1 however no, since BDE type 1 is that you lacking space-time or dimensions trait, while HDE mean your existence possesses more than 3 dimensions

 

[HakutoRei000]

In the VS Battles Wiki, characters typically can't be classified as both HDE and BDE Type 2 at the same time because the two concepts contradict each other. HDE operates within higher dimensions, whereas BDE Type 2 refers to an existence that is completely outside and beyond all dimensions. In this case, BDE Type 2 would usually take precedence over HDE. However, if a verse has this issue (often due to misinput), you'd need to create a CRT to clarify and resolve the contradiction.
CMIIW tho

 

[Digital_Franz]

No. You can't have BDE and HDE at the same time, whether it's BDE Type 1 or 2. Usually the statement you refer to is one like the character resides in a higher plane of reality and has Qualitative Superiority. In this case the character will have BDE Type 2 since it indicates that the character operates on another plane of existence.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Let's say a character/race has explicit statements for both HDE and BDE (Type 2). Are there explicit standards saying you have to choose one or the other, or can you just index both and shrug at the contradiction of that?

That depends on the context itself, and hat type of BDE.
But since the OP mentions BDE2, yes, you can have them simultaneously, but only[and only] in very specific context.

For example, let's say Realm A sees Realm B as fiction. That warrants that Realm A is 1-A [assuming Realm B is of the standard notion of dimensionality]. However, regardless of the R>F itself, Realm A can have its own higher notion of Dimensionality just like Realm B.

In such a case, a being that is from a higher dimension of Realm A can get BDE2 with respect to Realm B and HDE with respect to Realm A's baseline 3 dimensions, thus technically having both BDE and HDE at the same time.

Although you won't get any qualitative[based on quality/composites] layers above baseline 1-A simply by the higher reality level having its own dimensional hierarchy, it can still be quantitatively/based on Quantity] higher.

However, all this is, a specific example. In general, it really depends on how the BDE2 realm got their BDE2/1-A rating. For example, if Realm A and B had R>F, yet realm B saw Realm A as a higher dimension that could be reached via stacking quantities, then that would be a disqualifier for BDE2 instead, disregarding their 1-A rating entirely.

You can see this thread to confirm that what I said is backed up by staff's approval.