Ben 10 - Questionable Armadrillo Calc

[Lort15]

• Parallel Paradox: In Ben 10 it appears to us that there are 2 Paradox, the first is Paradox which we always see in the show but the second is Parallel Paradox it appeared in the Parallel Paradox comic and also Parallel Paradox appeared in the show.[1] Parallel Elena stated that the Vreedle Brothers tried to steal the Annihilargh device and it accidentally and destroy the universe, and Parallel Paradox stated that Ben, using Alien X, reshaped the universe and time, which was shown in the series.[2] They also mention the story of Elena, who appeared in the Ben 10 show[3] and movie.[4]
• Ben 10 classic TPB 2: In this comic, Ben remembers meeting a future version of himself, this meeting was featured in the show.[5] In one of the Scans, a reference is made about Ben 10.000 defeating Vilgax in the Future, which we have seen in the show what ben did to him.
• Vilgax Attack: Ben, Gwen, and Kevin are amazed that Mor Otesi is a real, which they thought was an legend in show,[9] also mentioned in the books, it actually exists.

Read the places I've marked in bold, they all say that the show references comics (or other materials).

Now, as for what you are talking about, I don't understand by what logic this has been accepted as Canon. The episode "So Long, and Thanks for All the Smoothies" was broadcast on 27/10/2012 and the episode "Hot Stretch" was broadcast on 03/11/2012. The mentioned comic book was published on 09/10/2013. Is it weird, are we saying the comics is Canon because the comics references the show? Seriously? Dude, with this logic, you can say all the comics are Canon.

Dude, this is the same thing as these, the characters in the comics are literally talking about the events happend in the past (in the serie) just like this



Here is the calculation's link if the picture is hard to read
"Ben acquired his telepadan form, Armodrillo, when the ultimatrix sampled the DNA of Andreas" this is literally giving information about the episode when Ben scanned Andreas DNA, there are a lot of similiar infos like that just check the data book on ben 10 wiki


they are accepted as canon or alternative canon, i really won't argue about their canonicity on the show that is not the topic

"Material with direct narrative connections to the show are considered secondary canon."

We are talking about where the feat comes from, this is relevant to our topic.

The main discussion is about the calculation of the asteroid size not the feat's canonicity to the show (that was the Damage3245's actual point)

"While there's technically no solid basis for the assumption of the number of asteroids present in the Talpaedan's asteroid belt, I can understand that assumption being used, but it seems problematic that Europa is being taken as the baseline for what a "small Moon" is for the calc. A quick example here shows that Europa is far from the smallest Moon in our Solar System:", "I think a more conservative mass value should be used for the average asteroid in this asteroid belt formed from the destruction of the Talpaedan's homeworld."

 

[GeneralSol16]

What proves that the book mentioned here is Canon?

No one is talking about the comic.

The scan comes from a mini guide book that was published along the comic, the comic itself doesn't have an Armadillo (or any Andromeda aliens at all) appearance.

Stop bringing up bad arguments just for the sake of debating something, please.

 

[Firestorm808]

What's the problem so far?

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

What's the problem so far?

Determining the size for the Asteroids in asteroid belt to determine the size of the planet that was once the Talpadeans homeworld.

1. Does the Asteroids have a atmosphere? Yes, cause Talpadeans need air to breath.
2. How large are the Asteroids? The minimal needed size to sustain said atmosphere.
3. Are all the asteroid atleast this size? Yes, cause all of them have large caverns and mines in which the Talpadeans mine in, with no evidence having the needed intelligence or infrastructure to create the support system needed to sustain them in these environments.

Everything else just seem like a derailment from the original argument.

 

[Damage3245]

1. Does the Asteroids have a atmosphere? Yes, cause Talpadeans need air to breath.

That doesn't mean every single asteroid has an atmosphere.

Not every asteroid from a shattered planet is going to necessarily be the same size. The asteroids in our real-life asteroid belt vary in size too.

I think the more direct statement on the actual size of the asteroids - that they have the size of small Moons - should taken priority and we use an average of small Moon size as the average asteroid without making additional assumptions regarding atmospheres.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

That doesn't mean every single asteroid has an atmosphere.

Not every asteroid from a shattered planet is going to necessarily be the same size. The asteroids in our real-life asteroid belt vary in size too.

I'm going based of the minimum needed size which is why I said "minimal needed size". Cause as we established every asteroid on the belt has a mine carvern in which the Talpadeans mine in. So every single asteroid has life support. I never said they were all the same size.

 

[Damage3245]

I'm going based of the minimum needed size which is why I said "minimal needed size". Cause as we established every asteroid on the belt has a mine carvern in which the Talpadeans mine in. So every single asteroid has life support. I never said they were all the same size.

It's contradictory to the statement; with typical earth density (which is what was assumed for the calc and makes the most sense), the size of each of the asteroids in their asteroid belt would be larger than our IRL Moon as they'd have each have over double the mass of our Moon. When they're supposed to be irregular-shaped small Moons in terms of size.

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

It's contradictory to the statement; with typical earth density (which is what was assumed for the calc and makes the most sense), the size of each of the asteroids in their asteroid belt would be larger than our IRL Moon as they'd have each have over double the mass of our Moon. When they're supposed to be irregular-shaped small Moons in terms of size.

We never disscussed that their density was the same. For an object to have a atmosphere it needs 2.7% the mass of the earth. It's either that these asteroids have the same density as our earth and are the necessary size to sustain said atmosphere or are the described size but have have far higher density, likely explaining why Talpadeans have such superhuman strength due to digging in far more dense rock.
These asteroids have either the necessary mass via the needed size or the needed density to sustain an atmosphere.

 

[Firestorm808]

Summary:
The planet is terrestrial.
It's been broken into a cluster of irregular chunks of rock the size of small moons

Let's use Mar's moons as an example.

Phobos radius = 11.267 km
Deimos radius = 6.2 km

As a reference, we have the following:

Splitting the Earth in half​

• Results: 5.0811706477439e+30 Joules - Small Planet level.

References for Common Feats

Throughout fiction and real life, there have been numerous feats demonstrating a certain character's or object's destructive power. This page's purpose is to consolidate calculations for those feats for better convenience in determining an object's or character's Attack Potency or Durability...

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So we have an absolute low end at Low 5-B.

Earth Volume = 1.08x10^12 km^3 = 1.08e+30 cm^3
Phobos Volume = 5991.2 km^3
Deimos Volume = 998.31 km^3

Broken Pieces Range from 180264388 to 1.0818282898x10^9

I don't suppose someone can figure out how to modify the splitting formula across multiple splits?

 

[SeijiSetto]

Summary:
The planet is terrestrial.
It's been broken into a cluster of irregular chunks of rock the size of small moons

Let's use Mar's moons as an example.

Phobos radius = 11.267 km
Deimos radius = 6.2 km

As a reference, we have the following:

Splitting the Earth in half​

• Results: 5.0811706477439e+30 Joules - Small Planet level.

References for Common Feats

Throughout fiction and real life, there have been numerous feats demonstrating a certain character's or object's destructive power. This page's purpose is to consolidate calculations for those feats for better convenience in determining an object's or character's Attack Potency or Durability...

vsbattles.fandom.com

So we have an absolute low end at Low 5-B.

Earth Volume = 1.08x10^12 km^3 = 1.08e+30 cm^3
Phobos Volume = 5991.2 km^3
Deimos Volume = 998.31 km^3

Broken Pieces Range from 180264388 to 1.0818282898x10^9

I don't suppose someone can figure out how to modify the splitting formula across multiple splits?

i mean this "splitting formula" is just getting the combined GPE of the parts when they're separated
we assume a distance there which is why we can do that at all
this one with multiple splits - you'd need to assume a distance they all travel away from the moon's center of gravity and then assume an average mass of a chunk

 

[Celestial_Scaler25]

I'm really starting to think that you don't know how Canon works

Are we still disscussion this? A lot of canon continuity is discussed and confirmed in the books.

Dude, this is the same thing as these, the characters in the comics are literally talking about the events happend in the past (in the serie) just like this



Here is the calculation's link if the picture is hard to read
"Ben acquired his telepadan form, Armodrillo, when the ultimatrix sampled the DNA of Andreas" this is literally giving information about the episode when Ben scanned Andreas DNA, there are a lot of similiar infos like that just check the data book on ben 10 wiki

Galapagus and his homeworld, Aldabra, is perfectly alighned with the show continuity. As it is described as a peaceful planet with chill vibes.

Terraspin/Gallery

ben10.fandom.com

Similialy to ho Galapagus explained how his homeworld was in 'Excape from Aggregor[8:20]'.