The Overlord (Ninjago) Nonduality ability

[Overlord_Darkness]

Hi. In this CRT I want to bring up Overlord's feats from Season 3 "Rebooted" and Season 15 "Crystalized".​

For more info about here check this:​

Overlord's GM form;​

Cosmology blog;

Explanation​

1. Overlord is Conceptual Darkness for all of creation:​

This means that Overlord is not just an ordinary dark entity but represents darkness in a fundamental, conceptual sense for everything in existence.

2. FSM and his power represent Conceptual Light:​

FSM is the opposite of Overlord, representing Light in a fundamental way, and together, they form the primary dual forces — Darkness and Light — that make up the Balance governing reality.

Where there is Light, there will always be Shadow! - The Overlord to Ultimate Spinjitzu Master

3. Balance is the primary conception that governs all of reality:​

This indicates that the duality between Light and Darkness is a fundamental system that controls how existence functions as a whole.

4. Overlord is able to use and even fully blend with Conceptual Light:​

This is Overlord’s unique ability. He is not just a force of darkness; he can also completely control his opposing force, Light which represented by his Golden Master form (Ninjago: Rebooted, "Enter the Digiverse")

With no equal adversary, his power will go unmatched. His destructive rule will change the face of the world, and he will not stop until every man, woman, and Serpentine are enslaved under his control. — Acidicus, "The Curse of the Golden Master"

5. Overlord is able to destroy a dual system he is a part of without being destroyed:​

This is a significant point. Normally, if a dual system is destroyed, everything that is part of it should suffer. However, Overlord has the power to break the balance between Light and Darkness without facing any negative consequences.

6. Since Light and Darkness is a duality, Overlord needs Nonduality Type 1 or Type 2:​

This suggests that Overlord needs a certain level of nonduality to be able to break this balance without being affected himself. This type of nonduality allows him to be free from the restrictions of the duality between Light and Darkness, enabling him to control and even destroy the system if needed.

Summary​

The main idea here is that Overlord represents a dark force capable of transcending the usual constraints of the dual system between Light and Darkness, making him uniquely powerful. He can manipulate opposing forces and destroy the dual system he is part of without being harmed.

This ability should be added to Spirit Form key ('cause Overlord's true form is the spirit and Nonduality should be his natural innate ability) and Golden Master form. Looks like this:

Nonduality (Type 1: The Overlord, representing darkness in a fundamental, conceptual sense for everything in existence, has the power to break The Balance between Light and Darkness without facing any negative consequences, while the duality between Light and Darkness is a fundamental system that controls how existence functions as a whole. The Overlord is also able completely control his opposing force, Light)

Agree: @Lloydblitzed, @REX9097 (Type 2), @Arency, @OrangeFR, @Hellformer, @OMNIVERSAL-KING, @Robo432343 (Type 1), @YmTheSuper (Type 1), @Lort15, @Ar1216789 (Type 1), @EL_xWatcher1234x, @Wikisource, @FinePoint, @GyroNutz
Neutral:
Disagree: @Churchill

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

This is just Tommy rambling and theorizing, not an actual statement. We all know that Garmadon has Oni powers, which would be impossible if FSM got rid of it.
You also could add more scans tbh, for example there are far more that say that Overlord is the source of all Evil and is evil itself.

Following regardless, gotta see how this goes.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

You also could add more scans tbh, for example there are far more that say that Overlord is the source of all Evil and is evil itself.

Redacted and added!

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Hi. I this CRT I want to bring up Overlord's feats from Season 3 "Rebooted" and Season 15 "Crystalized".​

For more info about here check this:​

Overlord's GM form;​

Cosmology blog;

Explanation​

1. Overlord is Conceptual Darkness for all of creation:​

This means that Overlord is not just an ordinary dark entity but represents darkness in a fundamental, conceptual sense for everything in existence.

2. FSM and his power represent Conceptual Light:​

FSM is the opposite of Overlord, representing Light in a fundamental way, and together, they form the primary dual forces — Darkness and Light — that make up the Balance governing reality.

3. Balance is the primary conception that governs all of reality:​

This indicates that the duality between Light and Darkness is a fundamental system that controls how existence functions as a whole.

4. Overlord is able to use and even fully blend with Conceptual Light:​

This is Overlord’s unique ability. He is not just a force of darkness; he can also completely control his opposing force, Light which represented by his Golden Master form.

5. Overlord is able to destroy a dual system he is a part of without being destroyed:​

This is a significant point. Normally, if a dual system is destroyed, everything that is part of it should suffer. However, Overlord has the power to break the balance between Light and Darkness without facing any negative consequences.

6. Since Light and Darkness is a duality, Overlord needs Nonduality Type 1 or Type 2:​

This suggests that Overlord needs a certain level of nonduality to be able to break this balance without being affected himself. This type of nonduality allows him to be free from the restrictions of the duality between Light and Darkness, enabling him to control and even destroy the system if needed.

Summary​

The main idea here is that Overlord represents a dark force capable of transcending the usual constraints of the dual system between Light and Darkness, making him uniquely powerful. He can manipulate opposing forces and destroy the dual system he is part of without being harmed.

This ability should be added to Spirit Form key ('cause Overlord's true form is the spirit and Nonduality should be his natural innate ability) and Golden Master form

Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:

This is just Tommy rambling and theorizing, not an actual statement. We all know that Garmadon has Oni powers, which would be impossible if FSM got rid of it.
You also could add more scans tbh, for example there are far more that say that Overlord is the source of all Evil and is evil itself.

Following regardless, gotta see how this goes.

This better (proves) for this

Explanation​

1. Overlord is Conceptual Darkness for all of creation:​

This means that Overlord is not just an ordinary dark entity but represents darkness in a fundamental, conceptual sense for everything in existence.

2. FSM and his power represent Conceptual Light:​

FSM is the opposite of Overlord, representing Light in a fundamental way, and together, they form the primary dual forces — Darkness and Light — that make up the Balance governing reality.

3. Balance is the primary conception that governs all of reality:​

This indicates that the duality between Light and Darkness is a fundamental system that controls how existence functions as a whole.

4. Overlord is able to use and even fully blend with Conceptual Light:​

This is Overlord’s unique ability. He is not just a force of darkness; he can also completely control his opposing force, Light which represented by his Golden Master form (Ninjago: Rebooted, "Enter the Digiverse")

5. Overlord is able to destroy a dual system he is a part of without being destroyed:​

This is a significant point. Normally, if a dual system is destroyed, everything that is part of it should suffer. However, Overlord has the power to break the balance between Light and Darkness without facing any negative consequences.

6. Since Light and Darkness is a duality, Overlord needs Nonduality Type 1 or Type 2:​

This suggests that Overlord needs a certain level of nonduality to be able to break this balance without being affected himself. This type of nonduality allows him to be free from the restrictions of the duality between Light and Darkness, enabling him to control and even destroy the system if needed.

Summary​

The main idea here is that Overlord represents a dark force capable of transcending the usual constraints of the dual system between Light and Darkness, making him uniquely powerful. He can manipulate opposing forces and destroy the dual system he is part of without being harmed.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

This is just Tommy rambling and theorizing, not an actual statement. We all know that Garmadon has Oni powers, which would be impossible if FSM got rid of it.

True

You also could add more scans tbh, for example there are far more that say that Overlord is the source of all Evil and is evil itself.

There's countless of them, so it should be solid

2. FSM and his power represent Conceptual Light:​

FSM is the opposite of Overlord, representing Light in a fundamental way, and together, they form the primary dual forces — Darkness and Light — that make up the Balance governing reality.

To further back it up, FSM also wanted to make a world full of pure Light only, but Overlord stepped in bc that isn't possible due to the Balance

Agree with the thread overall

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Arency]

Agree

 

[OrangeFR]

Agree

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

This is just Tommy rambling and theorizing, not an actual statement. We all know that Garmadon has Oni powers, which would be impossible if FSM got rid of it.
You also could add more scans tbh, for example there are far more that say that Overlord is the source of all Evil and is evil itself.

Following regardless, gotta see how this goes.

Your vote please

 

[Hellformer]

Same opinion as Lloydblitzed

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Question is still open:

It can be considered Type 1 Nonduality 'cause its only for Light and Darkness, however Light and Darkness forms a Balance which is a force over all other things in the verse (like forces of Creation and Destruction, Realms e.t.c.) which sounds like Type 2 Nonduality and the Overlord was considered to be unbeatable entity with no rivals which could defeat him.

With no equal adversary, his power will go unmatched. His destructive rule will change the face of the world, and he will not stop until every man, woman, and Serpentine are enslaved under his control. — Acidicus, "The Curse of the Golden Master"

Can you please express your opinions about this?

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

Agree

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Question is still open:

It can be considered Type 1 Nonduality 'cause its only for Light and Darkness, however Light and Darkness forms a Balance which is a force over all other things in the verse (like forces of Creation and Destruction, Realms e.t.c.) which sounds like Type 2 Nonduality and the Overlord was considered to be unbeatable entity with no rivals which could defeat him.




Can you please express your opinions about this?

Agree with this

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Agree with this

I mean type 2 or type 1? This is the question

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Your vote please

It does not matter tbh

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I mean type 2 or type 1? This is the question

I mean I agree with Type 2 (bc Balance is a concept of reality/multiversal concept)

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Somebody should call a mod that knows well this type of shit

 

[YmTheSuper]

I agree (Not sure about the type but it seems to be more of type 1). Also I think the scans in Rex's comment should be added to the op.

 

[Robo432343]

agree with nd type 1

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

I agree (Not sure about the type but it seems to be more of type 1). Also I think the scans in Rex's comment should be added to the op.

Okay, I will do that. Thx for the input

agree with nd type 1

Noted. Thanks for the input

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Somebody should call a mod that knows well this type of shit

Yeah

 

[Lort15]

I share the same opinion with Lloydblitzed

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

bump. We need some staff members here

 

[Ar1216789]

Type 1 is fine. Hard disagree on Type 2.

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Bump

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

bump

 

[Churchill]

Uhhmmm, not to be a party pooper her but according to Ultima, only literal categorical opposites are required for a nondual existence. Strict logical negations of which light and darkness do not fall under. So I'm gonna disagree with this thread

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Uhhmmm, not to be a party pooper her but according to Ultima, only literal categorical opposites are required for a nondual existence. Strict logical negations of which light and darkness do not fall under. So I'm gonna disagree with this thread

For this ability, dualities refer to logical dualities where the duality is between "A" and "not A" where A is some object or attribute. For example, fire and water are not a duality; the duality of fire would be fire and not fire. The duality of existence would be existence and not existence, or, alternately, existence and nonexistence or existence and void. However, not all verses follow this logic, and many may treat things not logically considered dualities - such as water and fire or time and space - as dualities, meaning what is and isn't a duality can change between verses.

Even without considering this sentences from Nonduality page, dual opposite of Light is non-Light which means (as far as I understand) absence of Light and absence of Light is Darkness.

However, if we consider Nonduality page description, in Ninjago verse Light and Darkness is a duality which qualifies for Nonduality.

 

[Churchill]

Even without considering this sentences from Nonduality page, dual opposite of Light is non-Light which means (as far as I understand) absence of Light and absence of Light is Darkness.

However, if we consider Nonduality page description, in Ninjago verse Light and Darkness is a duality which qualifies for Nonduality.

Brudda....
Let's just say... Things just got crazier
Well.....
A lot of verses that use opposites in this manner would get chopped in a while, so this thread might just be clipped later on anyway

 

[Overlord_Darkness]

Brudda....
Let's just say... Things just got crazier
Well.....
A lot of verses that use opposites in this manner would get chopped in a while, so this thread might just be clipped later on anyway

I will handle it. Castlevania thread tells me about Life and Death (which is not duality and Immo Type 5) and I'm talking right now about Light and Darkness. So you're disagree, right?

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Uhhmmm, not to be a party pooper her but according to Ultima, only literal categorical opposites are required for a nondual existence. Strict logical negations of which light and darkness do not fall under. So I'm gonna disagree with this thread

I mean, Light and Darkness in Ninjago are literal opposites. The Balance holds on their fight.

 

[Churchill]

I mean, Light and Darkness in Ninjago are literal opposites. The Balance holds on their fight.

See, that's the thing. Literal opposites generally isn't what's needed for nonduality, logical negations are.
The logical negation to light would not be darkness but not-light as there are things that aren't bright but not dark either.
Besides, nonduality means you fall quite literally, outside a set encompassing all things that exclusively not bright.
Even if it's tied to a yin yang concept, it still would not qualify

 

[Churchill]

I will handle it. Castlevania thread tells me about Life and Death (which is not duality and Immo Type 5) and I'm talking right now about Light and Darkness. So you're disagree, right?

There are things that aren't bright but aren't dark either, really.
Plus, it's not about being a Castlevania thread, but the parts I linked talk on what the baseline for non duality is.
Being opposing natures of a coin just doesn't seem to suffice else I'd think this thread was pretty straightforward.
Anyways, I wouldn't say I disagree flat out....more like neutral

 

[Ar1216789]

See, that's the thing. Literal opposites generally isn't what's needed for nonduality, logical negations are.
The logical negation to light would not be darkness but not-light as there are things that aren't bright but not dark either.
Besides, nonduality means you fall quite literally, outside a set encompassing all things that exclusively not bright.
Even if it's tied to a yin yang concept, it still would not qualify

What your saying is going against the Nonduality page. It depends on the context between verses

For this ability, dualities refer to logical dualities where the duality is between "A" and "not A" where A is some object or attribute. For example, fire and water are not a duality; the duality of fire would be fire and not fire. The duality of existence would be existence and not existence, or, alternately, existence and nonexistence or existence and void. However, not all verses follow this logic, and many may treat things not logically considered dualities - such as water and fire or time and space - as dualities, meaning what is and isn't a duality can change between verses.

 

[Churchill]

What your saying is going against the Nonduality page. It depends on the context between verses

Brudda, I'm just going off what Ultima, Sir Ovens and other staff explained.
Nondual essences are strictly logical

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Brudda....
Let's just say... Things just got crazier
Well.....
A lot of verses that use opposites in this manner would get chopped in a while, so this thread might just be clipped later on anyway

That the pictures or the link is broken

 

[Rutæhh]

Even without considering this sentences from Nonduality page, dual opposite of Light is non-Light which means (as far as I understand) absence of Light and absence of Light is Darkness.

However, if we consider Nonduality page description, in Ninjago verse Light and Darkness is a duality which qualifies for Nonduality.

Could u elaborate on this part please? I am not entirely convinced by the arguments in the OP that light and dark are negations of each other in verse

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Could u elaborate on this part please? I am not entirely convinced by the arguments in the OP that light and dark are negations of each other in verse

Of course!

In the philosophy of Nonduality, the main idea is that things are not completely separate or dual as we usually perceive them. This concept suggests that everything is interconnected and undivided, so there isn’t a real division between phenomena like good and evil, or light and darkness.

In the Ninjago universe, "light" and "darkness" are traditionally seen as opposing forces, similar to dualities in many mythical stories. But if we view them from a nondualistic perspective, we could say that light and darkness are actually part of the same entity; they form a unified whole rather than being entirely separate or opposed.

 

[Rutæhh]

Of course!

In the philosophy of Nonduality, the main idea is that things are not completely separate or dual as we usually perceive them. This concept suggests that everything is interconnected and undivided, so there isn’t a real division between phenomena like good and evil, or light and darkness.

In the Ninjago universe, "light" and "darkness" are traditionally seen as opposing forces, similar to dualities in many mythical stories. But if we view them from a nondualistic perspective, we could say that light and darkness are actually part of the same entity; they form a unified whole rather than being entirely separate or opposed.

Would this be the Balance in Ninjago? I would like some scans to support this please.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Of course!

In the philosophy of Nonduality, the main idea is that things are not completely separate or dual as we usually perceive them. This concept suggests that everything is interconnected and undivided, so there isn’t a real division between phenomena like good and evil, or light and darkness.

In the Ninjago universe, "light" and "darkness" are traditionally seen as opposing forces, similar to dualities in many mythical stories. But if we view them from a nondualistic perspective, we could say that light and darkness are actually part of the same entity; they form a unified whole rather than being entirely separate or opposed.

Why does it feel ChatGPT generated