Dark Enchantress Cookie (Cookie Run) vs The Overlord (Ninjago) (0-3-0)

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Rules:
The characters are both bloodlust
Strongest Keys for Overlord and Dark Enchantress Cookie
Starting distance: 30 m
Fight takes place in a forest
SBA for the rest
Speed is equalized

Dark Enchantress Cookie:
The Overlord: @Lloydblitzed @REX9097 @Ar1216789
Incon:

 

[Lloydblitzed]

What's DE's answer to Overlord layered Mind/Corruption Haxes?

 

[Ar1216789]

What's DE's answer to Overlord layered Mind/Corruption Haxes?

Depends on how that works. She can detect the attacks in advance with her Precognition. She can summon countless minions who have hax like Passive Damage Transferal, EE, Corruption, Darkness Manip who can take hits for her. She can also summon Illusions or use her Passive Curse Manip, which debuffs enemies and negates all their powers.

DE's first move is to fly, summon 3 portals and have Cake Witch arms lunge out of each portal to grab the opponent. If they grab the opponent successfully, they are EE'd

She has all her Pets and Invocation cards active and summon Continuum Cog in its Loops of Time form.

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[Lloydblitzed]

Depends on how that works. She can detect the attacks in advance with her Precognition. She can summon countless minions who have hax like Passive Damage Transferal, EE, Corruption, Darkness Manip.

DE's first move is to fly, summon 3 portals and have Cake Witch arms lunge out of each portal to grab the opponent. If they grab the opponent successfully, they are EE'd

Overlord resists EE, and has Resistance Negation against all of FSM's hax. Just a small drop is enough for him to corrupt someone

She has all her Pets and Invocation cards active and summon Continuum Cog in its Loops of Time form.

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Tbh Overlord EE/one shot all of them out of his way

 

[Ar1216789]

Tbh Overlord EE/one shot all of them out of his way

all of her Pets would be activating at the same time as they do in-game, so DEC would be getting a shield from Nectar Delight that would protect her from one attack, among other Pets and Treasures that also grant so many shields they're practically permanent. Producer Mic, Antique Bookmark, Ocean Dragon, etc. would be several threats trying to overwhelm with massive AOE attacks. She has Danmaku of basically objects rapidly approaching/ firing off tons of AOE projectiles, and half of them EE or transmute into a jelly bean. Since he resists EE that won't do anything, unless Dark Enchantress Resistance negates.

Dark Enchantress can control the principles of nature to her will as well, which in the verse can create virtually any effect you want by affecting the underlying foundation of each concept. While the Overlord is overwhelmed by Pets, she can BFR him into a portal while shes "invulnerable" in this state. She also has AE Type 1, I didn't check if Overlord has CM.

If all else fails, she can Seal him in an Interdimensional Portal that erases everything.. your mind, soul, body. He'd need Mid-Godly regen to get back.


DE's corruption can also affect beings like the Sugar Swan, whos ranked 6th in Strongest 5-D Characters. DE gained all the Sugar Swans powers in Chaos Incarnate, but thats not been added yet in her profile, so its irrelevant in the discussion.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

all of her Pets would be activating at the same time as they do in-game, so DEC would be getting a shield from Nectar Delight that would protect her from one attack, among other Pets and Treasures that also grant so many shields they're practically permanent. Producer Mic, Antique Bookmark, Ocean Dragon, etc. would be several threats trying to overwhelm with massive AOE attacks.

Overlord's Dark Matter can spread around an entire village in seconds, so he could pull that off against the pets and have them fight DE

She has Danmaku of basically objects rapidly approaching you / firing off tons of AOE projectiles, and half of them EE or transmute you into a jelly bean. Since he resists EE that won't do anything, unless Dark Enchantress Resistance negates.

He'll use Smoke and basically phase throught attacks just like Ash did against Kai

Dark Enchantress can control the principles of nature to her will as well, which in the verse can create virtually any effect you want by affecting the underlying foundation of each concept. While the Overlord is overwhelmed by Pets, she can BFR him into a portal while shes "invulnerable" in this state.

Overlord can negate her Invulnerability, and if we really let him using everything, then I'll argue he can time stop everyone since he possess Krux powers

She also has AE Type 1, I didn't check if Overlord has CM.

Overlord has 5D CM

Also, you can't do comp fights, so I assume ur using strongest keys while bloodlusted

 

[Ar1216789]

Overlord's Dark Matter can spread around an entire village in seconds, so he could pull that off against the pets and have them fight DE

Hmm.. okay. I guess this is a counter to her pets. Her Invocation Cards would still be an issue though. The Pets can overwhelm him for a short time, note they cant ressurect.

He'll use Smoke and basically phase throught attacks just like Ash did against Kai

Countered with her Darkness Manip which engulfs anything around it, even light.

Overlord can negate her Invulnerability, and if we really let him using everything, then I'll argue he can time stop everyone since he possess Krux powers

Continuum Cog can counter that with it's own time manip, it controls time as a concept. He can move freely in timeless zones and stopped time as well. So thats not an issue. She also counters this with her Thought-based time manip, she can endlessly put Overlord in a Loop.

Overlord has 5D CM

The CM is limited if I remember right. To what extent is it? As far as I'm seeing, DE would have the superior Concept Manip for several reasons. One of the concepts governed by the principles of nature is Dark and Light. Which is Overlords concept.

Also, you can't do comp fights, so I assume ur using strongest keys while bloodlusted

I'll change this.


Forgot to mention she can set his Stamina to 0. Dark Enchantress' coin transmutation is instant and has a Low Complex Multiversal range. Overlord would be bombarded by resurrecting-Pets as Dark Enchantress Cookie summons more minions. She can also summoner other Cookies of Darkness like Pomegranate Cookie.

Dark Enchantress resists power null, as seen in a Moonstone scene of Chapter 8 in CRK (Moonstones negate magical energy)

 

[Lloydblitzed]

The CM is limited if I remember right. To what extent is it?

Not in his GM form

As far as I'm seeing, DE would have the superior Concept Manip for several reasons. One of the concepts governed by the principles of nature is Dark and Light. Which is Overlords concept.

Overlord not only controls them too but should be able to negate resistance over those

Forgot to mention she can set his Stamina to 0. Dark Enchantress' coin transmutation is instant and has a Low Complex Multiversal range. Overlord would be bombarded by resurrecting-Pets as Dark Enchantress Cookie summons more minions. She can also summoner other Cookies of Darkness like Pomegranate Cookie.

Can't Overlord block those with Spinjitzu or TP away? Not only that but Overlord has Preco and can Dura Neg her throught mind hax

Dark Enchantress resists power null, as seen in a Moonstone scene of Chapter 8 in CRK (Moonstones negate magical energy)

Overlord has resistance negation over that too

 

[Ar1216789]

Overlord not only controls them too but should be able to negate resistance over those

How does the negation work exactly? I don't think he'll be able to survive the Armies of Pets and her minions while negating the CM, unless its passive, if its passive that's a huge problem.

Can't Overlord block those with Spinjitzu or TP away? Not only that but Overlord has Preco and can Dura Neg her throught mind hax

Dark Enchantress has Precog and Dura Neg, so she should be able to sense him in advance. Thunderstorm Yeti will summon snowstorms by existing as hes bombarded by countless more pets, and her Invocation Hax like Danmaku, Mind Manip, Transmutation, and other hax active. Passive Transmutation is gonna be hard to avoid even if he TP'S away. Dark Enchantress can sense L1-C ranges.

Also, I saw this on his profile:
Weaknesses: Golden Power is the Overlord's main weakness: it can easily match, if not overpower his Darkness, and can completely nullify the properties of Dark Matter. While he is extremely hard to get rid off, the Overlord cannot regenerate his body, and he needs a body or vessel to actually fight: because of this, he can be potentially expelled from a body (by its destruction or by directly removing him from it) and/or sealed (check Note for more info). After transforming into his True Form, he may lose the Helmet of Shadows: if another person wears it, the latter will take full control of the Stone Army.


If she manages to land her attack which she did on the Prologue.. (it needs Mid-Godly regen to regenerate) he obviously wouldn't be able to do so and will be Sealed. If his Stone Army is alongside him they can clash with DE'S army. But at the same time, her monsters should overpower them, one of her monsters clashed with The Five. She has thousands, if not tens of thousands, of Cake Hounds, Dragons, and Cake Witches. Who can causally keep up with the L1-C Guardians. They should overpower the Stone Army and stomp Overlord.

DE can summon the Cookies of Darkness.. as well as Pomegranate Cookie and Dark Choco Cookie.

 

[Ar1216789]

@Lloydblitzed Is your vote gonna be for DE or Overlord? I'm gonna add my vote

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I will respond later

 

[Lloydblitzed]

How does the negation work exactly? I don't think he'll be able to survive the Armies of Pets and her minions while negating the CM, unless its passive, if its passive that's a huge problem.

By using his Golden Power (touching his enemies with GP)

Dark Enchantress has Precog and Dura Neg, so she should be able to sense him in advance. Thunderstorm Yeti will summon snowstorms by existing as hes bombarded by countless more pets, and her Invocation Hax like Danmaku, Mind Manip, Transmutation, and other hax active. Passive Transmutation is gonna be hard to avoid even if he TP'S away. Dark Enchantress can sense L1-C ranges.

Overlord is unaffected by his own Dark Matter which technically transmutate people as well. I don't think it will be a real factor. He could also BFR her away via thoughts alone

Also, I saw this on his profile:
Weaknesses: Golden Power is the Overlord's main weakness: it can easily match, if not overpower his Darkness, and can completely nullify the properties of Dark Matter. While he is extremely hard to get rid off, the Overlord cannot regenerate his body, and he needs a body or vessel to actually fight: because of this, he can be potentially expelled from a body (by its destruction or by directly removing him from it) and/or sealed (check Note for more info). After transforming into his True Form, he may lose the Helmet of Shadows: if another person wears it, the latter will take full control of the Stone Army.

Ye but he can regen insanly fast if there's enough evil around the world (which DE will unknowingly contributes to)

If she manages to land her attack which she did on the Prologue.. (it needs Mid-Godly regen to regenerate) he obviously wouldn't be able to do so and will be Sealed.

Isn't that blockable with Spinjitzu?

If his Stone Army is alongside him they can clash with DE'S army. But at the same time, her monsters should overpower them, one of her monsters clashed with The Five. She has thousands, if not tens of thousands, of Cake Hounds, Dragons, and Cake Witches. Who can causally keep up with the L1-C Guardians. They should overpower the Stone Army and stomp Overlord.

DE can summon the Cookies of Darkness.. as well as Pomegranate Cookie and Dark Choco Cookie.

Summoning an army would push Overlord, if he doesn't time stop everyone, to corrupt everyone and turn the whole army against her

 

[Ar1216789]

By using his Golden Power (touching his enemies with GP)

He's gonna need to touch all of her Pets and Minions.. plus herself. Which is gonna be flying and bombarding with more hax, and BFR herself in a pocket dimension where she can regain energy if needed.

Overlord is unaffected by his own Dark Matter which technically transmutate people as well. I don't think it will be a real factor. He could also BFR her away via thoughts alone

Not listed on the profile. BFR via thought isn't an issue, since she has thought-based abilities and can stun him or trick him with illusions. She can use her thought based time loops, passively damage transfers, Pets, Invocation, blah blah. She uses her illusions quite frequently and can take possession of Overlords army. Dark Magic in Cookie Run is notorious for the mass mind manip.

Ye but he can regen insanly fast if there's enough evil around the world (which DE will unknowingly contributes to)

DE governs all darkness and chaos and is the physical manifestation of Chaos. She can take back Darkness and devour it. We also don't know how "insane" the regeneration is and if its enough to survive the Blast seen in Prologue, which would need at least Mid-Godly or High-Godly. (The Ancients needed High-Godly regen to return from it. These guys are no-joke, their above a guy who tanked a blackhole which was destroying an L1-C structure.)

Isn't that blockable with Spinjitzu?

Dark Magic negates durability and he's gonna be hit by countless L1-C Dragons and Cake Witches, which have insane amounts of hax. The attack debuffs enemies with a curse that negates legit all their powers. The Dark Magic has a few affects like concept manip, law manip, mind manip, and curse manip if it hits. She can use the Priestess's Charm to curse anything in its presence negating all powers.

Summoning an army would push Overlord, if he doesn't time stop everyone, to corrupt everyone and turn the whole army against her

Continuum Cog has complete control over the concept of time and can reverse the effects. Hes gonna have Cake Witches who can keep up with the Guardians. The Dragons who simultaneously took on 5 L1-C Characters. She can summon the Cookies of Darkness who all have the same hax as her and some extra abilities and are all all L1-C.


He's going to be severly outnumbered and defeated. DE's army can stomp The Stone Army with quite ease considering the passive powers going on with Pets and The Cookies of Darkness assisting.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

He's gonna need to touch all of her Pets and Minions.. plus herself.

He can surround the whole place in threads made of Golden Power or spread an energy wave of it, that's not much of a problem

Which is gonna be flying and bombarding with more hax, and BFR herself in a pocket dimension where she can regain energy if needed.

Proceeds to bring her back

Not listed on the profile.

Gonna fix that cuz he's supposed to have all of FSM's hax

BFR via thought isn't an issue, since she has thought-based abilities and can stun him or trick him with illusions. She can use her thought based time loops, passively damage transfers, Pets, Invocation, blah blah. She uses her illusions quite frequently and can take possession of Overlords army. Dark Magic in Cookie Run is notorious for the mass mind manip.

Overlord and his own army resists Mind Haxes. I'd also like to point out BFR works on the soul itself, and damage transferal won't really have an effect on him if he hits her with his Darkness Element, since he resist it

DE governs all darkness and chaos and is the physical manifestation of Chaos. She can take back Darkness and devour it.

How will that work out if Overlord can manipulate the same concept too?

We also don't know how "insane" the regeneration is and if its enough to survive the Blast seen in Prologue, which would need at least Mid-Godly or High-Godly. (The Ancients needed High-Godly regen to return from it. These guys are no-joke, their above a guy who tanked a blackhole which was destroying an L1-C structure.)

He regenerated from USM beating in a matter of days irc

Dark Magic negates durability

That's when purification comes in clutch

and he's gonna be hit by countless L1-C Dragons and Cake Witches, which have insane amounts of hax. The attack debuffs enemies with a curse that negates legit all their powers.

I can see Overlord slow down everything thrown at him

The Dark Magic has a few affects like concept manip, law manip, mind manip, and curse manip if it hits. She can use the Priestess's Charm to curse anything in its presence negating all powers.

Purification and counters everything

Continuum Cog has complete control over the concept of time and can reverse the effects. Hes gonna have Cake Witches who can keep up with the Guardians. The Dragons who simultaneously took on 5 L1-C Characters. She can summon the Cookies of Darkness who all have the same hax as her and some extra abilities and are all all L1-C.

Can't Overlord make use of this and corrupt it?

He's going to be severly outnumbered and defeated. DE's army can stomp The Stone Army with quite ease considering the passive powers going on with Pets and The Cookies of Darkness assisting.

I also have to quote the Stone Warriors themselves are invulnerable to all the powers of FSM

 

[Ar1216789]

He can surround the whole place in threads made of Golden Power or spread an energy wave of it, that's not much of a problem

Countered with her Forcefields + hundreds of pets more forcefilds, and loads more abilities.

Proceeds to bring her back

Doubt it. The location is unknown and unable to be sensed by anyone including the Five.

How will that work out if Overlord can manipulate the same concept too?

He regenerated from USM beating in a matter of days irc

The Cookies embody several concepts. Dark Enchantress governs and embodies anything related to darkness and evil. She can also switch to White Lily and become pure of heart and get access to more powers.

That Regeneration isn't enough to counter her Dimensional Sealing power. Which is a weakness of the Overlord, that same Blast erases needs Mid-Godly.. while being overwhelmed she can just Blast the Overlord into oblivion.

That's when purification comes in clutch

I can see Overlord slow down everything thrown at him

Theres Magic in Cookie Run that can counter that like Black Magic and several Treasures like Priestess's Charm.

Continuum Cog.. complete control over the concept of time. Can easily undo that.

Purification and counters everything

Can't Overlord make use of this and corrupt it?

I also have to quote the Stone Warriors themselves are invulnerable to all the powers of FSM

Purification is not countering that

Pomegranate Cookie corrupted the Sugar Swan, better corruption hax. It can affect Abstract Entities.


Not on the profile and is not an issue. She'll be able to take the Stone Helmet or will be stomped by the Cake Witches.

He'll be bombarded by like 100 L 1-C Monsters and Cookies with the Cookies having all the hax DE does.


Off-topic, who the strongest in Ninjago with no Ae type 1?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Countered with her Forcefields + hundreds of pets more forcefilds, and loads more abilities.

Overlord is 15 x Low 1-C, the pets upscale to baseline

Dark Enchantress governs and embodies anything related to darkness and evil. She can also switch to White Lily and become pure of heart and get access to more powers.

So can Overlord, and he can counter it with his CM over light

That Regeneration isn't enough to counter her Dimensional Sealing power. Which is a weakness of the Overlord, that same Blast erases needs Mid-Godly.. while being overwhelmed she can just Blast the Overlord into oblivion.

Time stops the blast

Theres Magic in Cookie Run that can counter that like Black Magic and several Treasures like Priestess's Charm.

Overlord has access to both light and dark powers, and I doubt the magic is countering his layered Darkness

Continuum Cog.. complete control over the concept of time. Can easily undo that.

What stops him from just...destroying it

Purification is not countering that

His purification should be layered due to that CRT, gotta apply it

Pomegranate Cookie corrupted the Sugar Swan, better corruption hax. It can affect Abstract Entities.

Overlord's light powers can counter his own corruption hax, so he can touch AE too since he possess the power of beings who can interact with him

Not on the profile and is not an issue.

??

Resistance and Invulnerability to the powers of The First Spinjitzu Master (Wields the Anti-Golden armor, who was shown to be able to counter the Golden Master's Golden Power, who upscales from The First Spinjitzu Master, and was designed to counter the latter's powers, which forced him to split the continent in half due to being unable to defeat them due to them being indestructible)

She'll be able to take the Stone Helmet or will be stomped by the Cake Witches.

Overlord has enough AP to simply...block the blasts

He'll be bombarded by like 100 L 1-C Monsters and Cookies with the Cookies having all the hax DE does.

Not if they are under his control by then

• Enhanced Corruption, Mind Manipulation and Morality Manipulation (2 layers; His corrupting capabilities should be as powerful as in his Crystal King form, as it was stated to be a perfect vessel for him by himself. Does not need Garmatron to corrupt people at all in this form)
  • Enhanced Madness Manipulation, Soul Manipulation and Perception Manipulation (1 layer; Was able to corrupt Ninjas, who, as Elemental Masters, resist the properties of Dark Matter)

Off-topic, who the strongest in Ninjago with no Ae type 1?

Source Dragons

 

[Ar1216789]

Overlord is 15 x Low 1-C, the pets upscale to baseline

Cookie Run is like Infinite L1-C.

So can Overlord, and he can counter it with his CM over light

She's not limited to light and dark. She can alter the fundamental principles of nature, which are the underlying foundation of every concept. She has it to a much higher extent

Time stops the blast

I explained why this wouldn't work, but more to prove the fact: They can move in the Virtual Kingdom despite time standing still there.

Overlord has access to both light and dark powers, and I doubt the magic is countering his layered Darkness

What stops him from just...destroying it

His purification should be layered due to that CRT, gotta apply it

Overlord's light powers can counter his own corruption hax, so he can touch AE too since he possess the power of beings who can interact with him

It's a natural counter to the Dark Magic, which is, by extension his abilities, difference is he is layered. The White Magic specifically harnesses the

energy and the will of good, purifying and erasing evil. She can change to White Lily and use it

The Continuum Cog situation explained above in your time-stop argument, and also Continuum Cog is around the same level of the Cookies, if not stronger than some.

Eh, I doubt he'd be able to use purification in-battle, with the Battle of Armies going on. Also not much of a counter since the Cake Witches can legit erase the shit out of them

They can both touch AE entities but my point still stands, especially with DE's Concept manip on a higher scale.

Overlord has enough AP to simply...block the blasts

Not if they are under his control by then

A single Cake Witch shot the Five, who are all individually L1-C.

The Cake Monsters can deflect that with her Curse Manip or shields.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Cookie Run is like Infinite L1-C.

No, the size of their multiverse is Infinite, but the whole structure all togheter scale to baseline Low 1-C. I read the cosmo page. Meanwhile, Overlord can destroy 15 individual Low 1-C structures at once

With all of this information, we can conclude each of the Realms are Low 1-C structures existing seperately from each other, due to being parallel to the Ninjago realm, which qualifies for a Low 1-C structure for having a higher temporal axis.

She's not limited to light and dark. She can alter the fundamental principles of nature, which are the underlying foundation of every concept. She has it to a much higher extent

That's just Type 1 CM, which Overlord possess

• Enhanced Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1, 5-D; Has the powers of the First Spinjitzu Master, and thus should be able manipulate the concept of Light too)

I explained why this wouldn't work, but more to prove the fact: They can move in the Virtual Kingdom despite time standing still there.

He has resistance negation over resistances to all of FSM's powers, which includes Time Stop, so ye, it will work regardless

• Negation & Resistance Negation (Thanks to Golden Power, the Golden Master is able to negate the Stone Army's Invulnerability and their Resistance to the First Spinjitzu Master's abilities. He even negated the effects of the Ninjas' Anti-Golden Armors, who were designed to counter the First Spinjitzu Master's powers, and were previously unaffected from Overlord's attacks)

https://imgur.com/a/cc28ZT2

It's a natural counter to the Dark Magic, which is, by extension his abilities, difference is he is layered. The White Magic specifically harnesses the

energy and the will of good, purifying and erasing evil. She can change to White Lily and use it

That's pretty much what Overlord can do with GP as well, except its layered

Eh, I doubt he'd be able to use purification in-battle, with the Battle of Armies going on. Also not much of a counter since the Cake Witches can legit erase the shit out of them

All he needs is spreading a blast, also huh the Stone Army can resist FSM powers, which includes EE

• Existence Erasure (Upscales from the Golden Weapon, who erase anyone too weak to handle their power. Possess Golden Power, who is implied to be able to do everything, including destroying anything)

A single Cake Witch shot the Five, who are all individually L1-C.

That won't work due to AP difference anyways as explained earlier

The Cake Monsters can deflect that with her Curse Manip or shields.

Not only, as explained previously, he can pierce throught the shields, but what are they doing if Overlord use his Mind Dura neg like Neuro, which the Cake Monsters seemingly don't resist?

 

[Ar1216789]

No, the size of their multiverse is Infinite, but the whole structure all togheter scale to baseline Low 1-C. I read the cosmo page. Meanwhile, Overlord can destroy 15 individual Low 1-C structures at once

I'll sum it up. The World of Dreams is the metaphysical realm where physical laws don't apply, the impossible is possible, and each dream is parallel in size to the cosmology. It exists in a plane above the Multiverse and above time, it also operates on two temporal dimensions. Thus making a singular dream in the realm 5-D. There are infinite dreams. Each dream is a vision of another reality/universe.

The Realm of Apathy is also L1-C since you have to transcend to reach it. Its transcendent of reality, above time and meaning. Those who have transcended to the realm were described to have "transcended all." The realm is described to be pure nothingness. The Creator seeks to turn everything into nothing, and achieve enlightenment, in a place transcendent from everything. It's also the highest point of existence

At best, two L1-C structures in the verse.

That's just Type 1 CM, which Overlord possess

Yes, but he's limited to the concept of light alone. DE has access to all abstract concepts, including time and space. Which are both governed by the principles of nature

Check out the cosmology blog if you want a description of Nature.

He has resistance negation over resistances to all of FSM's powers, which includes Time Stop, so ye, it will work regardless

DE has resistance negation to multiple things including EE if i'm correct. This also doesn't matter considering again, Continuum Cog has control over the concept of time and the fact they can move freely. He also needs to interact with her for this to work or release it in beams of energy, which I've provided multiple counters for.

That's pretty much what Overlord can do with GP as well, except its layered

I'm still siding with Hax and Versatility in DE's favor. As well as AP being significantly higher

All he needs is spreading a blast, also huh the Stone Army can resist FSM powers, which includes EE

DE can do this with her pets as well, she can use Resistance Negation in a similar manner. She can send AoE projectiles that transmutate you to a jelly bean or EE you, or just Passive Trans/Data Manip (Instantaneously turn to a coin or data) Also I'm pretty sure she could resist that EE anyway, since she should be able to overpower it.

All he needs is spreading a blast, also huh the Stone Army can resist FSM powers, which includes EE

Still, each one of her individual monsters is L1-C.

Not only, as explained previously, he can pierce throught the shields, but what are they doing if Overlord use his Mind Dura neg like Neuro, which the Cake Monsters seemingly don't resist?

Pets and Invocation Cards can still counter that shit. Especially with their Passive Fate Manip, which would work on the army but not Overlord.

Cake Monsters have that ability as well and a better arsenal.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Yes, but he's limited to the concept of light alone.

Huh no, he upscales from his possessed form who has CM over Darkness, GM simply has light in addition to that

• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1, 5-D; Now possessing a physical body, he is able to fully access his powers and destroy the Balance, a 5-Dimensional concept, which acts as a force over all the realms, causing their destruction if shifted)

DE has resistance negation to multiple things including EE if i'm correct. This also doesn't matter considering again, Continuum Cog has control over the concept of time and the fact they can move freely. He also needs to interact with her for this to work or release it in beams of energy, which I've provided multiple counters for.

Can't he obliderate that Continuum Cog before it does anything harmful?

As well as AP being significantly higher

You admitted yourself her AP is lower. She is 2 x Low 1-C, Overlord 15 x Low 1-C

DE can do this with her pets as well, she can use Resistance Negation in a similar manner. She can send AoE projectiles that transmutate you to a jelly bean or EE you, or just Passive Trans/Data Manip (Instantaneously turn to a coin or data)

Ye that works on her magnetic abilities, not all her hax

Resistance Negation (Rainbow Bear Jellies are stated to be immune to magnetic effects and are unaffected by them from nearly every Cookie, but Dark Enchantress Cookie is one of few Cookies able to ignore their immunity and make them magnetic anyways)

Also I'm pretty sure she could resist that EE anyway, since she should be able to overpower it.

She can't unless u prove she has resistances over resistance negation

Still, each one of her individual monsters is L1-C.

Lower than Overlord

Pets and Invocation Cards can still counter that shit. Especially with their Passive Fate Manip, which would work on the army but not Overlord.

Overlord in-character wouldn't care if of what happens to his army anyways

Cake Monsters have that ability as well and a better arsenal.

What even stops Overlord from just one shotting all of them out of if his way. He's not going to stand still and do nothing. Not to count he can phase throught every single one of these Monster's attacks

 

[Ar1216789]

Huh no, he upscales from his possessed form who has CM over Darkness, GM simply has light in addition to that

Principles of Nature still superior. Life Energy is what makes up all of existence. Nature is a metaphsyical entity that creates and commands all Life Energy in cosmology. Life Energy itself is what allows Cookies to live, their very essence being Life Energy. Nature is what weaves the world and allows it to exist, creating fundamental principles and laws that fuel the world and allow it to exist. Governs all dualities but i don't wanna make this long, check cosmology blog if you wish to see it.

Can't he obliderate that Continuum Cog before it does anything harmful?

Continuum Cog can watch through time rifts. A Time Rift aren't a anywhen, anywhere, the temporal qualities of these rifts cause you to be lost in time. He has control over it can cast any effect he wants on the universe while being safe guarded in a Time Rift.

You admitted yourself her AP is lower. She is 2 x Low 1-C, Overlord 15 x Low 1-C

You didn't even respond to what I sent about the cosmology..

Ye that works on her magnetic abilities, not all her hax

Nevermind, I agree on the Resistance Negation points. My point still stands on DE winning though.

Lower than Overlord

Overlord in-character wouldn't care if of what happens to his army anyways

No. I explained why it wouldn't be lower, to which you didn't respond to really

Hm, I guess that makes it easier for the Cookies of Darkness to take the w.

What even stops Overlord from just one shotting all of them out of if his way. He's not going to stand still and do nothing. Not to count he can phase throught every single one of these Monster's attacks

Higher AP, Law Manip, Passive Damage Transferal, Mind Manip, Curse Manip, etc..


Also, how can Overlord interact with DE again?

 

[AigerTheKing]

I'll sum it up. The World of Dreams is the metaphysical realm where physical laws don't apply, the impossible is possible, and each dream is parallel in size to the cosmology. It exists in a plane above the Multiverse and above time, it also operates on two temporal dimensions. Thus making a singular dream in the realm 5-D. There are infinite dreams. Each dream is a vision of another reality/universe.

The Realm of Apathy is also L1-C since you have to transcend to reach it. Its transcendent of reality, above time and meaning. Those who have transcended to the realm were described to have "transcended all." The realm is described to be pure nothingness. The Creator seeks to turn everything into nothing, and achieve enlightenment, in a place transcendent from everything. It's also the highest point of existence

At best, two L1-C structures in the verse.

How is that higher than someone who can vaporize 15 Low Complex Multiversal Structures?

Yes, but he's limited to the concept of light alone. DE has access to all abstract concepts, including time and space. Which are both governed by the principles of nature

Nah, he has it over Light and Dark in his GM form

DE has resistance negation to multiple things including EE if i'm correct. This also doesn't matter considering again, Continuum Cog has control over the concept of time and the fact they can move freely. He also needs to interact with her for this to work or release it in beams of energy, which I've provided multiple counters for.

From what Im reading, Continuum Cog is the only real threat here. The rest just get....blasted away in a instant

I'm still siding with Hax and Versatility in DE's favor. As well as AP being significantly higher

Tbh Overlord is more skilled. And huh no her AP is significally lower

DE can do this with her pets as well, she can use Resistance Negation in a similar manner. She can send AoE projectiles that transmutate you to a jelly bean or EE you, or just Passive Trans/Data Manip (Instantaneously turn to a coin or data) Also I'm pretty sure she could resist that EE anyway, since she should be able to overpower it.

Like Lloyd pointed out, can't he freeze in place the AOE projectiles? Not only that, but how is she managing this?

• Sealing (The First Spinjitzu Master and the Ultimate Spinjitzu Master [the latter also most likely accidentally sealed the Overlord in the Borg Tower] possessed this ability, and the Golden Master should too)

 

[AigerTheKing]

Principles of Nature still superior. Life Energy is what makes up all of existence. Nature is a metaphsyical entity that creates and commands all Life Energy in cosmology. Life Energy itself is what allows Cookies to live, their very essence being Life Energy. Nature is what weaves the world and allows it to exist, creating fundamental principles and laws that fuel the world and allow it to exist. Governs all dualities but i don't wanna make this long, check cosmology blog if you wish to see it.

Not sure how it will work against

Continuum Cog can watch through time rifts. A Time Rift aren't a anywhen, anywhere, the temporal qualities of these rifts cause you to be lost in time. He has control over it can cast any effect he wants on the universe while being safe guarded in a Time Rift.

The problem is how does it work?

You didn't even respond to what I sent about the cosmology..

Passive Damage Transferal

Ye that will be useful against blasts but not against Sealing

Mind Manip

EMs as a baseline has this

Resistance to

• Limited Power Absorption: Elemental Powers can never truly be lost and will return to the users with time.[3]
• Mind and Morality Manipulation, Madness Manipulation (Type 1 and 2), Corruption (Both Types), Soul Manipulation, Perception Manipulation: The Ninja can stay on the Dark Island for an extended period of time and negate the effects of Dark Matter, with Dark Matter being everywhere on the Dark Island and the Dark Island being corruption itself. Dark Matter poisions and siphons the mind, body and spirit, even changing their perception of time.[4]

 

[Ar1216789]

How is that higher than someone who can vaporize 15 Low Complex Multiversal Structures?

Moonlight powers a realm with infinite 5-D dreams. DE is above her.

Nah, he has it over Light and Dark in his GM form

Eh, still nothing compared to Nature, its

From what Im reading, Continuum Cog is the only real threat here. The rest just get....blasted away in a instant

There's Thunderstorm Yeti that can freeze the Stamina and cause snowstorms by existing. We have several pets who can deconstruct opponents and some that can transmute them into coins and data passively. Loads of Pets and Invocation Cards.

Tbh Overlord is more skilled. And huh no her AP is significally lower

A Dream in the World of Dreams operates on two temporal dimensions,

physical laws, everything is possible, metaphysical, above time in one dream. Infinite dreams. All are powered by Moonlight Cookie and exist as the total composition of the realm.

Like Lloyd pointed out, can't he freeze in place the AOE projectiles? Not only that, but how is she managing this?

Most of her Pets and Invocation cards are Passive.

 

[Ar1216789]

Not sure how it will work against

You can bend the laws of nature at will, Nature makes up legit every abstract concept of existence.

She casually interfered with the Laws of Nature and was about to destroy the cosmology.

The problem is how does it work?

You spectate from afar and attack as you please

Ye that will be useful against blasts but not against Sealing

She can Curse it. Also, Overlord can't regenerate (as seen in Weaknesses) and her Interdimensional Sealing needs mid-godly regen in order to be revived.

 

[Ar1216789]

Next matchup.. a ninja girl vs a high school student (when her profile is added)

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Ninja girl won’t be Low 2-C soon.

 

[Ar1216789]

Ninja girl won’t be Low 2-C soon.

we can use low 2-c key

 

[Lloydblitzed]

You can bend the laws of nature at will, Nature makes up legit every abstract concept of existence.

She casually interfered with the Laws of Nature and was about to destroy the cosmology.



You spectate from afar and attack as you please

She can Curse it. Also, Overlord can't regenerate (as seen in Weaknesses) and her Interdimensional Sealing needs mid-godly regen in order to be revived.

This fight is litterally a stomp, Overlord can blitz before she does anything lol

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

we can use low 2-c key

What? I literally said Nya won’t be Low 2-C soon, so they won’t be able to fight

 

[Ar1216789]

This fight is litterally a stomp, Overlord can blitz before she does anything lol

No. We're going really circular here so if you want I can just count your vote for Overlord. Also what Blitz, its legit speed equalization, we had a huge discussion and how its not "a stomp" and "blitz before she can do anything".

 

[Lloydblitzed]

No lol

Yes lol. Spinjitzu is a speedblitz amp, and u said they use everything, which includes the speed element, another speedblitz lvl amp

 

[Ar1216789]

Yes lol. Spinjitzu is a speedblitz amp, and u said they use everything, which includes the speed element, another speedblitz lvl amp

DE has Speed Enhancement too. Her Pets can fly Cookies from Bottomless pits to another universe and we never said their speed was equalized so gg.

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

we never said their speed was equalized so gg.

Speed is equalized

 

[Ar1216789]

DE'S speed equalized, not her Pets :feelingsilly:

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

DE'S speed equalized, not her Pets :feelingsilly:

They count as attacks, so they are equalized too.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

DE has Speed Enhancement too. Her Pets can fly Cookies from Bottomless pits to another universe and

That remains unquantifiable here unless u can show me a scan of her blitzing someone with the said enchantment

we never said their speed was equalized so gg.

We did, recheck the OP Rules

Moonlight powers a realm with infinite 5-D dreams. DE is above her.

Not what the blog implies

each dream is a universe that is infinite in size

It clearly states that the entire dream world a infinite sized 5D space, not that there's a infinite amount of individually 5D Dreams

There's Thunderstorm Yeti that can freeze the Stamina and cause snowstorms by existing. We have several pets who can deconstruct opponents and some that can transmute them into coins and data passively. Loads of Pets and Invocation Cards.

Overlord's own dark Matter can transmute characters (its part of the corruption process), and he's unfazed by that. And he's def blowing those Yetis away

 

[Ar1216789]

They count as attacks, so they are equalized too.

Argument dismissed

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Argument dismissed

…?

 

[Ar1216789]

That remains unquantifiable here unless u can show me a scan of her blitzing someone with the said enchantment

Check Pets section

Not what the blog implies

It clearly states that the entire dream world a infinite sized 5D space, not that there's a infinite amount of individually 5D Dreams

Each dream is above time and has two temporal dimensions, blah blah. Isn't it obvious enough? Theres legit a dream that encompasses the entire World of Dreams and the cosmology as a whole.