Two rulers of magic beyond reality fight: Dracula vs Doctor Doom

[Theglassman12]

Now that I'm finished with all of the castlevania revisions, I can finally get around to doing a particular matchup I'd like to tackle for funzies. 1999 Dracula is used, and any of Doom's equipments that aren't physically scaled to tier 1 is used. Speed is equalized.

Vampire king:

Latverian king:

They defy the gods together: 7 (Theglassman12, Eseseso, Artorimachi, Stillwinston, TyranoDoom30, TsukayasaEmmaDCD, Tomfer)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Hasn't this matchup been done like four times before?

 

[Theglassman12]

Not with the updated stuff both characters have.

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean if Doom doesn't resist the passives he loses(I'm fairly sure he does with tier 1 resistances)

If he does... pick a hax, any hax, and Doom probably has it in tier 1 smurfery. And when he has his tech, Doom doesn't like to dick around very much.

Again, a lot of even his tech is tier 1 smurfery. And Drac without his passives doesn't have the best IC for dealing with someone like Doom. In that you have to physically hit him and Drac prefers his magic to his physicals(At least from what I've seen of him)

 

[Theglassman12]

He resists most of the passives, but not all of them.

Text manipulation, Reactive Evolution, Biological Absorption, Temperature Manipulation, Pain Manipulation, Dimensional Manipulation, Forced Duplication, Power Mimicry, Fear Manipulation

all of these aren't covered in his resistances.

Doom having tier 1 smurfery doesn't really change the fact that Dracula can still oneshot him with literally anything, also Dracula's magic literally scales to his strength, anything he does would have enough AP to just kill Doom outright.

 

[DaReaperMan]

He resists most of the passives, but not all of them.

all of these aren't covered in his resistances.

Doom having tier 1 smurfery doesn't really change the fact that Dracula can still oneshot him with literally anything, also Dracula's magic literally scales to his strength, anything he does would have enough AP to just kill Doom outright.

Let's go down everything listed there and why it doesn't do much

• Fear Manipulation and Pain Manipulation get willpower'd through cause Doom has some of the most broken Supernatural willpower short of ******* like Settra and Archaon
• Power Mimicry, Temperature Manipulation, and Absorption require Dracula to touch Doom, and Doom dies if he's touched anyway so meh.
• Duplicating Doom is a good way to bloodlust him, and it, along with Dimensional Manipulation, takes awhile
• Text Manipulation seems to be attached to Plot Manipulation so it doesn't do too much.

And none of this works if Doom is allowed the time to press a single button, cause if he does he immediately puts Dracula into Tier 1 mind control, Tier 1 Plot Manipulation, or Tier 1 power nullification.

Also, hitting Doom with a spell requires Dracula to not flap his fangs and attack without delaying like 20 seconds to make a speech. Doom haxes you while making a speech of what boils down to an elegant one liner so they really aren't comparable in that regard

 

[Eseseso]

All I'll add for now is that Doom will sense Drac's magic power and he knows well that vampires like Dracula (especially sorcerer vampires) are not to be taken lightly so he will not **** around at the start.

That said, his lack of regen and Drac's vastly superior AP means that if Doom gets hit even once, he's dead.

Even his High 3-A durability magic shields aren't doing squat.

 

[VoidGoji]

I guess its incon then? Or slightly leaning towards Doom winning. Its a "who hits who first" battle, either Drac one tapping Doom with tier 2 bs or Doom one tapping Drac with tier 1 bs.

 

[Theglassman12]

@DaReaperMan
The text manipulation would just rewrite reality through text and reshape how one’s powers work so that wouldn’t exactly the best of outcomes for Doom.

getting touched by any form of power is enough for the power mimicry to work. Both touching the body and touching whatever power is tied to your being is enough for his mimicry to work.

Also Dracula doesn’t overtly monologue, he can sense the power of others and can deem them to be a threat and immediately go for the kill. At best he’d only ask what their business is but then just go straight into throwing hands.

@Eseseso Does doom have the range to be able to affect all of Castlevania or no?

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Wait doesn’t doom have the cross on his body. That shit vampires absolutely hate

 

[Theglassman12]

Dracula’s resistant to holy magic, that’s not gonna do shit to him unless it’s layered beyond relief.

 

[Eseseso]

@DaReaperMan
The text manipulation would just rewrite reality through text and reshape how one’s powers work so that wouldn’t exactly the best of outcomes for Doom.

getting touched by any form of power is enough for the power mimicry to work. Both touching the body and touching whatever power is tied to your being is enough for his mimicry to work.

Also Dracula doesn’t overtly monologue, he can sense the power of others and can deem them to be a threat and immediately go for the kill. At best he’d only ask what their business is but then just go straight into throwing hands.

@Eseseso Does doom have the range to be able to affect all of Castlevania or no?

If the Castlevania is the size of a universe?

Probably not.

 

[Theglassman12]

Hmm, that may or may not be an issue given the whole “castle ties” Dracula has with it alongside his inner soul.

Does his base magic attacks allow him to erase someone from existence down to their information?

 

[Eseseso]

Hmm, that may or may not be an issue given the whole “castle ties” Dracula has with it alongside his inner soul.

Does his base magic attacks allow him to erase someone from existence down to their information?

Hmm, I don't think so.

It's type 2 info hax via rewriting the underlying structure of Earth-616, but not erasure.

 

[Eseseso]

Drac also blitzes here, but since Doom's magic is a speed amp, the only way for this fight to. Be valid is if speed is equal but Doom starts out with magic. I think.

 

[Theglassman12]

Also I just double checked with Eseseso offsite, but it doesn’t seem Doom specifically resists quantum and info analysis hax on drac’s level and beyond, that’s just magic that has it. So Dracula would be able to figure out how Doom’s powers work and can control the quantum spaces to isolate his being

 

[Theglassman12]

So he doesn’t have flat out erasure on a type 2 info level? Hmm

Also I’ll equalize speed, assumed Doom could keep up with that last tier

 

[Eseseso]

So he doesn’t have flat out erasure on a type 2 info level? Hmm

Nah, his magic EE (via being high tier in sorcery) is something else that he can't do automatically, it's its own spell(s).

Also I’ll equalize speed, assumed Doom could keep up with that last tier

Nah he only has infinite speed with tier 1 stuff.

 

[Theglassman12]

what does his EE covers exactly? Any of the high godly destruction or is it just normal EE with mind body and soul?

 

[Eseseso]

what does his EE covers exactly? Any of the high godly destruction or is it just normal EE with mind body and soul?

It's just magic + EE so the latter, with it also having type 1 concept hax.

However, if Drac has HGR then he should be able to regenerate, as Magic doesn't do anything against that

 

[Theglassman12]

Ok so any form of higher dimensional erasure is covered. Does his non tier 1 tech still have that BS power absorption or is that stuck on his physical tier 1 side?

 

[Eseseso]

Ok so any form of higher dimensional erasure is covered. Does his non tier 1 tech still have that BS power absorption or is that stuck on his physical tier 1 side?

That's in his standard armor but he needs to either grab Drac or press the button on his armor.

He also has magic power null/absorption.

 

[Theglassman12]

I see, though I’m sure Dracula would have a loop around this thanks to his castle fueling his powers so he’d still have that to power him, and what remains of Dracula’s passives that can work could potentially hinder Doom. What else can he do in character beyond what Magic can normally do?

 

[Eseseso]

I see, though I’m sure Dracula would have a loop around this thanks to his castle fueling his powers so he’d still have that to power him. What else can he do in character beyond what Magic can normally do?

Since Doom here will recognize Drac as a threat, he'll try to kill Drac, so does Drac resist type 2 info manip and/or can he regenerate his information with his HGR?

Either that or he'll use magic to try and immobilize Dracula.

 

[Theglassman12]

He only resists type 1 Information manipulation. His high godly mostly covers Conceptual and narrative level destruction.

 

[Eseseso]

He only resists type 1 Information manipulation. His high godly mostly covers Conceptual and narrative level destruction.

Then magic can take him down since it includes type 2 info hax (mainly due to basic magic at its core rewriting the universe's underlying foundation), but I assume Drac isn't gonna just stand there and let the blasts hit him.

Seems to me like it's a big ol case of "who lands a shot first".

 

[Theglassman12]

Then yeah sounds like an inconclusive to me, either Dracula gets a shot in to kill Doom, or Doom managed to land one magical blast on him to destroy him beyond recovery.

 

[ShionAH]

Voting Doom he is smarter than Dracula iirc so he would likely use his advantage better.

 

[Eseseso]

Then yeah sounds like an inconclusive to me, either Dracula gets a shot in to kill Doom, or Doom managed to land one magical blast on him to destroy him beyond recovery.

Incon fra

 

[Theglassman12]

@ShionAH how does that get around the fact that Dracula would get prior knowledge on Doom’s history with his magic and would try to go for the kill immediately? His intelligence will only go so far, it boils down to if they can even land their killing blow first

 

[Hypertornado099]

Then yeah sounds like an inconclusive to me, either Dracula gets a shot in to kill Doom, or Doom managed to land one magical blast on him to destroy him beyond recovery.

What does Dracula start with?

 

[Theglassman12]

Teleporting with attacking via any magic period.

 

[Theglassman12]

bump

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Incon fra

 

[Stillwinston]

Incon fra and they sit down and play chess lol that doom pic is peak btw

 

[TyranoDoom30]

Incon FRA

 

[TsukasayaEmmaDCD]

Doom and Dracula got on a date in chess, and than ruled the world together. INCON FRA

 

[Tomfer]

I'll give the grace vote, Incon FRA.

 

[Theglassman12]

and that's grace