Grender Supervoltix (Veneficaverse) vs Aminus (Unchosen

[VeneficaAuthor]

Rules:

• Speed is equalized
• Both are 5-B (Null Overdrive active)
• Above 5-B stuff restricted
• Both start 200 meters apart
• SBA for everything else

Location:
Indestructible planet

Blue Beacon from another dimension: 0

Prince of the Dark Sun: 0

Incon: 0

 

[Yoriichi999]

The prince of the Dark Sun will probably start with telekinesis

 

[ExSENNA]

I vote Incon for the reasons below

Count with vote in when this match gets concluded and inevitably ends up as Incon

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I vote Grender for the reasons below

Count with vote in when this match gets concluded and Grender inevitably wins

bruh

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

Can't Aminus just hit him with the Archaic Malice and separate his atoms? Even if he activates his thingy that makes him intangible that's no issue to the Archaic Malice, it was made to hit non-tangible things after all

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

And since this guy seems metallic and Aminus has metal manipulation, can't he just stop the guy entirely with his telekinesis? Sure they share the same lifting strength but that should at least slow him down

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

Plus tons of Granger's haxes would straight up be ineffective against Aminus cuz he's not a biological being nor does he even have a soul, he's a completely supernatural creature so a large majority of his things would either be not as effective or straight up ineffective

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Null overdrive Grender always starts with:

• Brilliant Beacon: Not only does Grender exude an electric aura, but also a massive aura of brilliant blue color which Ako describes as a 'beacon'. The aura is strong enough to hold off similarly powered opponents form pushing through and attacking him physically for a limited time and can also be used for forceful 'pushes' of pressure waves to shoot enemies in opposite directions like cannonballs. The aura is tall enough to stretch into space as well. Using the aura allows for passive attacks such as the extreme pushing winds from Necrozus to be unable to reach him at all due to the aura's pure force blocking them out.

Can't Aminus just hit him with the Archaic Malice and separate his atoms? Even if he activates his thingy that makes him intangible that's no issue to the Archaic Malice, it was made to hit non-tangible things after all

Brilliant Beacon might just push this away from grender but if not Escape Teleport would kick in as Grender's core senses the critical damage incoming and passively warps him to the safest spot. Passive Nullifixer Field would also weaken this before it would reach Grender, but only by a slight amount

Also, in Null Overdrive Grender is basically bloodlusted so he will go for any and all means necessary to destroy his opponent.

And since this guy seems metallic and Damien has metal manipulation, can't he just stop the guy entirely with his telekinesis? Sure they share the same lifting strength but that should at least slow him down

Well, he resists similar effects from his very own Volt Magnets which is very similar to telekinesis (manipulating Volt charged particles over the opponent) so it may not affect him. Even if it does his rage power would do well to bust him out. In Null Overdrive Grender is always getting a bit stronger because he is absorbing energy particles.

Plus tons of Granger's haxes would straight up be ineffective against Aminus cuz he's not a biological being nor does he even have a soul, he's a completely supernatural creature so a large majority of his things would either be not as effective or straight up ineffective

Nullifixers will still work, and those are Grender's second main method of attacking (besides Volt, though he typically combines them both). His attacks can affect Guild of Shadows elders who also meet those criteria except the being without a soul part, but that isn't a requirement for the Nullifixers either

 

[ExSENNA]

Sorry to interrupt but why does Grender have "Limited Law Manipulation Negation" on this profile? The description provided there as I understood it has the meaning of Nullifixers being able to powernull Lawhax, which is within the capabilities of powernull already. It would only be "Limited Law Manipulation Negation" if Nullifixers only ever negated Lawhax specifically, which seems to not be the case

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Sorry to interrupt but why does Grender have "Limited Law Manipulation Negation" on this profile? The description provided there as I understood it has the meaning of Nullifixers being able to powernull Lawhax, which is within the capabilities of powernull already. It would only be "Limited Law Manipulation Negation" if Nullifixers only ever negated Lawhax specifically, which seems to not be the case

It’s important to note that it works on an ability like Shadow Force Law

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

Null overdrive Grender always starts with:

• Brilliant Beacon: Not only does Grender exude an electric aura, but also a massive aura of brilliant blue color which Ako describes as a 'beacon'. The aura is strong enough to hold off similarly powered opponents form pushing through and attacking him physically for a limited time and can also be used for forceful 'pushes' of pressure waves to shoot enemies in opposite directions like cannonballs. The aura is tall enough to stretch into space as well. Using the aura allows for passive attacks such as the extreme pushing winds from Necrozus to be unable to reach him at all due to the aura's pure force blocking them out.

Brilliant Beacon might just push this away from grender but if not Escape Teleport would kick in as Grender's core senses the critical damage incoming and passively warps him to the safest spot. Passive Nullifixer Field would also weaken this before it would reach Grender, but only by a slight amount

Also, in Null Overdrive Grender is basically bloodlusted so he will go for any and all means necessary to destroy his opponent.

Well, he resists similar effects from his very own Volt Magnets which is very similar to telekinesis (manipulating Volt charged particles over the opponent) so it may not affect him. Even if it does his rage power would do well to bust him out. In Null Overdrive Grender is always getting a bit stronger because he is absorbing energy particles.

Nullifixers will still work, and those are Grender's second main method of attacking (besides Volt, though he typically combines them both). His attacks can affect Guild of Shadows elders who also meet those criteria except the being without a soul part, but that isn't a requirement for the Nullifixers either

He doesn't seem to have any resistance to existence erasure however, so a simple Non-Physical dark magic affiliated with existence erasure should do the trick, and what would happen if for example, Aminus just threw the moon at him? Also Aminus can logically just get way stronger and faster with Magnum Opus, since it increases all of his physical characteristics by 25, so even with equalised speed his speed wouldn't be...well, equalised, he would be 25 times faster and stronger than him

 

[ExSENNA]

It’s important to note that it works on an ability like Shadow Force Law

It really isn't since Shadow Force Law seems to just do some lawhax and reality warping shenanignas, both of which can be nullified with ordinary powernull who has shown to do so. I mean you can surely note it but that "Limited Law Manipulation Negation" is not a thing bruh

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

It really isn't since Shadow Force Law seems to just do some lawhax and reality warping shenanignas, both of which can be nullified with ordinary powernull who has shown to do so. I mean you can surely note it but that "Limited Law Manipulation Negation" is not a thing bruh

It doesn’t totally null it, it only does temporarily because shadow force law can equalize with it… unlike with other things nullifixers cant outright nullify that power for long, rather they interfere with and delay it. I felt like that should be notable enough to list as its own thing, hence limited law manipulation negation

When it comes to powers, I like to be very specific. I can change it if that’s actually necessary but I really don’t think it is. It’s a small piece if it anyway

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

He doesn't seem to have any resistance to existence erasure however, so a simple Non-Physical dark magic affiliated with existence erasure should do the trick, and what would happen if for example, Aminus just threw the moon at him? Also Aminus can logically just get way stronger and faster with Magnum Opus, since it increases all of his physical characteristics by 25, so even with equalised speed his speed wouldn't be...well, equalised, he would be 25 times faster and stronger than him

25 times speed isn’t too hard to handle thanks to Grender’s advanced Electrojutsu. Grender’s immense skill and acrobatics (despite his larger stature, he’s comparable to Hokori Stardust, someone described as being a nearly perfect fighter in these regards) render him able to dodge decently faster enemies already, Electrojutsu’s various speed amp abilities keep Grender in the game.

1. Volt can be dedicated across the body in order to stimulate an 'amplification' beyond one's initial abilities, including attack, defense, speed, and even miscellaneous things such as pure reaction time and thinking speed by many folds over, especially when focused on a single area (such as speed), this alone could cut the advantage in half
2. Grender can use ‘Volt Terrain’ which provides a decent speed increase just on its own, with the particles stimulating even higher speed without focusing on specific amps
3. Grender can even further boost himself with rockets and just blast himself off at an immense speed
4. Grender’s energy absorption and rage boost should boost it even higher still
5. If Grender uses Electrojutsu for Lightning Bolt Travel he becomes a streak of Volt himself and actually amps his speed to 500 times greater than normal. This doesn’t have very many offensive applications though and I’m pretty sure the lightning wouldn’t hurt Aminus anyway, but it should render him basically unable to be hit at all if he goes that route

Grender is planet level so throwing a moon is no problem. He has various ways to smash it but I think the most efficient way would be his Overdrive Slaughter move which generates a whip long enough and strong enough to slice through the earth in one go

Volting Knuckles could control vectors to help with that existence erasure move, but even if not escape teleport should kick in again. Escape teleport is his most draining move but he can still use it a ton of times before his stamina runs out. Nullfixers being heavily focused should also just null it outright as well considering that works on shadojutsu moves which this sounds really similar to

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

If Grender uses Electrojutsu for Lightning Bolt Travel he becomes a streak of Volt himself and actually amps his speed to 500 times greater than normal. This doesn’t have very many offensive applications though and I’m pretty sure the lightning wouldn’t hurt Aminus anyway, but it should render him basically unable to be hit at all if he goes that route

Also for this last one Grender would hate to use it very long since in null overdrive he’s like completely bloodlusted so he’s going to be attacking viciously and relentlessly basically the whole time. This is like purely for dodging stuff, especially if aminus gets faster than his core reaction time (already quite higher than Grender’s normal time) and makes escape teleport a lot harder to use

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Sorry to interrupt but why does Grender have "Limited Law Manipulation Negation" on this profile? The description provided there as I understood it has the meaning of Nullifixers being able to powernull Lawhax, which is within the capabilities of powernull already. It would only be "Limited Law Manipulation Negation" if Nullifixers only ever negated Lawhax specifically, which seems to not be the case

I went ahead and changed it, I figure the description talking about Shadow Force Law is actually enough after all after looking at it, and that can be expanded if necessary

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

25 times speed isn’t too hard to handle thanks to Grender’s advanced Electrojutsu. Grender’s immense skill and acrobatics (despite his larger stature, he’s comparable to Hokori Stardust, someone described as being a nearly perfect fighter in these regards) render him able to dodge decently faster enemies already, Electrojutsu’s various speed amp abilities keep Grender in the game.

1. Volt can be dedicated across the body in order to stimulate an 'amplification' beyond one's initial abilities, including attack, defense, speed, and even miscellaneous things such as pure reaction time and thinking speed by many folds over, especially when focused on a single area (such as speed), this alone could cut the advantage in half
2. Grender can use ‘Volt Terrain’ which provides a decent speed increase just on its own, with the particles stimulating even higher speed without focusing on specific amps
3. Grender can even further boost himself with rockets and just blast himself off at an immense speed
4. Grender’s energy absorption and rage boost should boost it even higher still
5. If Grender uses Electrojutsu for Lightning Bolt Travel he becomes a streak of Volt himself and actually amps his speed to 500 times greater than normal. This doesn’t have very many offensive applications though and I’m pretty sure the lightning wouldn’t hurt Aminus anyway, but it should render him basically unable to be hit at all if he goes that route

Grender is planet level so throwing a moon is no problem. He has various ways to smash it but I think the most efficient way would be his Overdrive Slaughter move which generates a whip long enough and strong enough to slice through the earth in one go

Volting Knuckles could control vectors to help with that existence erasure move, but even if not escape teleport should kick in again. Escape teleport is his most draining move but he can still use it a ton of times before his stamina runs out. Nullfixers being heavily focused should also just null it outright as well considering that works on shadojutsu moves which this sounds really similar to

I feel like he can't use all of those at the same time though, and for some reason I feel like they have limited time use as well, plus as you said using those things drains his stamina, though Aminus has unlimited stamina so different from him, Aminus can just spam his existence erasure dark moves until Gender can't move no more. And what would happen if Aminus just did a combination of throwing moon sized stuff at him + existence erasure dark magic + metal manipulation + attempting to rush at him with the Archaic Malice?

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I feel like he can't use all of those at the same time though, and for some reason I feel like they have limited time use as well, plus as you said using those things drains his stamina, though Aminus has unlimited stamina so different from him, Aminus can just spam his existence erasure dark moves until Gender can't move no more. And what would happen if Aminus just did a combination of throwing moon sized stuff at him + existence erasure dark magic + metal manipulation + attempting to rush at him with the Archaic Malice?

He can use all of those at the same time save for the last one. After it’s activated Volt Terrain remains passively and focusing the Volt for one statistic (speed) is easy for someone like Grender. Boosting himself with rockets is also nothing because he does that basically 24/7 anyway, flight is his main source of movement. Energy absorption is also passive and rage power is intrinsic to him (also, clearly passive too). His stamina also isn’t something that runs out very quickly at all since he can spam all these full power things for a very long time and even though he’s bloodlusted he still knows that he needs to conserve stamina. The unlimited stamina is a good point though, outlasting Grender is probably the best way to beat him

Grender can just destroy moon sized stuff with his whip or Stardust Grade Weaponry. Volting Voltix Hurricane (or Ultima Voltix Hurricane to be spicy) should do so pretty easily by forming massive Volt constructs in whatever shape he wishes to snipe them and blow them up. Nullifixers are capable of outright erasing space-time alongside chaotic forces like Shadojutsu which have similar erasure properties as the stuff Aminus is using according to his descriptions and Grender’s passive aura warps the space-time around him to an extent so using them to defend against the magic doesn’t seem like a problem, Brilliant Beacon’s pressure may just push them away and also making rushing him exceedingly difficult.

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

He can use all of those at the same time save for the last one. After it’s activated Volt Terrain remains passively and focusing the Volt for one statistic (speed) is easy for someone like Grender. Boosting himself with rockets is also nothing because he does that basically 24/7 anyway, flight is his main source of movement. Energy absorption is also passive and rage power is intrinsic to him (also, clearly passive too). His stamina also isn’t something that runs out very quickly at all since he can spam all these full power things for a very long time and even though he’s bloodlusted he still knows that he needs to conserve stamina. The unlimited stamina is a good point though, outlasting Grender is probably the best way to beat him

Grender can just destroy moon sized stuff with his whip or Stardust Grade Weaponry. Volting Voltix Hurricane (or Ultima Voltix Hurricane to be spicy) should do so pretty easily by forming massive Volt constructs in whatever shape he wishes to snipe them and blow them up. Nullifixers are capable of outright erasing space-time alongside chaotic forces like Shadojutsu which have similar erasure properties as the stuff Aminus is using according to his descriptions and Grender’s passive aura warps the space-time around him to an extent so using them to defend against the magic doesn’t seem like a problem, Brilliant Beacon’s pressure may just push them away and also making rushing him exceedingly difficult.

Though based on these answers, Grender doesn't seem to have ways to defeat Aminus however, and while Aminus clearly does have problems with doing that with Grender he does seem to still be able to win with High-Extreme difficulty via either a lucky shot or outlasting. What about Grender? I don't see any possible wincons

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Though based on these answers, Grender doesn't seem to have ways to defeat Aminus however, and while Aminus clearly does have problems with doing that with Grender he does seem to still be able to win with High-Extreme difficulty via either a lucky shot or outlasting. What about Grender? I don't see any possible wincons

Aminus doesn't resist the stuff Nullifixers do. All it should take for Grender to win is to land a good shot with those lasers, and considering he is a far more skilled fighter as well as being more intelligent alongside his ruthless nature I think he could very easily find a way to win that way.

If it's based who is more likely to hit the other with a one shot move (both of them have techniques which kill the other outright), it's definitely Grender. For Aminus, he has to try and outlast, but I'm not sure he can hold off the furious Grender assault for the amount of time necessary to actually make him run out

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

Aminus doesn't resist the stuff Nullifixers do. All it should take for Grender to win is to land a good shot with those lasers, and considering he is a far more skilled fighter as well as being more intelligent alongside his ruthless nature I think he could very easily find a way to win that way.

If it's based who is more likely to hit the other with a one shot move (both of them have techniques which kill the other outright), it's definitely Grender. For Aminus, he has to try and outlast, but I'm not sure he can hold off the furious Grender assault for the amount of time necessary to actually make him run out

How do these "Nullifixers" even work exactly? And what do they do? Because I still believe Aminus can win with Extreme Diff

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

B

Aminus doesn't resist the stuff Nullifixers do. All it should take for Grender to win is to land a good shot with those lasers, and considering he is a far more skilled fighter as well as being more intelligent alongside his ruthless nature I think he could very easily find a way to win that way.

If it's based who is more likely to hit the other with a one shot move (both of them have techniques which kill the other outright), it's definitely Grender. For Aminus, he has to try and outlast, but I'm not sure he can hold off the furious Grender assault for the amount of time necessary to actually make him run out

Btw in terms of outlasting he surely can. Sure he was getting trashed by Helios however Helios himself is about as powerful as Prince Of The Dark Sun Aminus, just a bit slower and weaker due to just being the light of the sun instead of everything the sun, and Aminus still was being capable of outlasting him via sheer stamina and and hax until he could formulate a plan and move the Moon in front of the Sun. And Helios isn't cocky like Aminus, he was just going for the kill, so Aminus could DEFINITELY outlast Grender

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

How do these "Nullifixers" even work exactly? And what do they do? Because I still believe Aminus can win with Extreme Diff

The Nullifixers are Grender's original weapon. he was built by a race of scnetific genius' from another dimension who needed a way to protect themselves from an incoming cataclysmic enemy. They are designed for pure erasure of stuff from reality outright. They can erase the space-time around them, and chaotic energy like Shadojutsu which itself is abstract, dark, and possesses its own erasure and innate resistance to being erased itself, the abstract forms of the Guild of Shadows Elders (who also have type 5 immortality) and much more. They can also layer themselves over themselves to erase stuff that resists them if necessary, which they do by combining their lasers (this way they became capable of nullifying Necrozus' layered defenses which blocked them outright before). In Null Overdrive, they are literally put into an overdrive and work much faster. I've looked over the resistances and abilities of Aminus multiple times and have made the determination that the Nullfixers would work against this key as intended

Btw in terms of outlasting he surely can. Sure he was getting trashed by Helios however Helios himself is about as powerful as Prince Of The Dark Sun Aminus, just a bit slower and weaker due to just being the light of the sun instead of everything the sun, and Aminus still was being capable of outlasting him via sheer stamina and and hax until he could formulate a plan and move the Moon in front of the Sun. And Helios isn't cocky like Aminus, he was just going for the kill, so Aminus could DEFINITELY outlast Grender

I wasn't disputing that he wouldn't be able to, my argument is that Grender would get him with Nullifixers before he does run out of stamina. Aminus has unlimited stamina so it's not a question of if he can outlast, it's a question of whether or not he can survive

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

The Nullifixers are Grender's original weapon. he was built by a race of scnetific genius' from another dimension who needed a way to protect themselves from an incoming cataclysmic enemy. They are designed for pure erasure of stuff from reality outright. They can erase the space-time around them, and chaotic energy like Shadojutsu which itself is abstract, dark, and possesses its own erasure and innate resistance to being erased itself, the abstract forms of the Guild of Shadows Elders (who also have type 5 immortality) and much more. They can also layer themselves over themselves to erase stuff that resists them if necessary, which they do by combining their lasers (this way they became capable of nullifying Necrozus' layered defenses which blocked them outright before). In Null Overdrive, they are literally put into an overdrive and work much faster. I've looked over the resistances and abilities of Aminus multiple times and have made the determination that the Nullfixers would work against this key as intended

I wasn't disputing that he wouldn't be able to, my argument is that Grender would get him with Nullifixers before he does run out of stamina. Aminus has unlimited stamina so it's not a question of if he can outlast, it's a question of whether or not he can survive

Hold on did you specifically choose this key cuz you knew he'd be weak to this? That's lame

And what's stopping Aminus from absorbing all of these things? He managed to absorb the sun and separate an entire essence, which in itself is a key component in the laws of the universe and space-time

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Hold on did you specifically choose this key cuz you knew he'd be weak to this? That's lame

And what's stopping Aminus from absorbing all of these things? He managed to absorb the sun and separate an entire essence, which in itself is a key component in the laws of the universe and space-time

bruh no I picked this key because both are 5-B, Grender has Nullfixers no matter what. I said that because I did my research to back up the Nullifixer wincon, I didn't check the profile so in depth until this started

Absorbing Nullifixers results in their effects working anyway, that's just like inviting them into your house. If absorption worked Ako would've had a far easier time fighting Grender. Aminus would have to have some method of power nulling them which itself wouldn't just be nulled by the Nullifixers, but they can nullify abilities like that out of reality too, so even if they worked on the first few lasers the next batch is gonna get through unless said ability can be revived and/or stacked abundantly for long enough to outlast Grender. But I don't think Aminus has something like that on the profile, at least not in this key

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

Wh

bruh no I picked this key because both are 5-B, Grender has Nullfixers no matter what. I said that because I did my research to back up the Nullifixer wincon, I didn't check the profile so in depth until this started

Absorbing Nullifixers results in their effects working anyway, that's just like inviting them into your house. If absorption worked Ako would've had a far easier time fighting Grender. Aminus would have to have some method of power nulling them which itself wouldn't just be nulled by the Nullifixers, but they can nullify abilities like that out of reality too, so even if they worked on the first few lasers the next batch is gonna get through unless said ability can be revived and/or stacked abundantly for long enough to outlast Grender. But I don't think Aminus has something like that on the profile, at least not in this key

I didn't understand shit could you rephrase that? Btw Aminus' absorption can also separate whatever he absorbed from something else, so wouldn't that mean Grender would have 0 of that

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I didn't understand shit could you rephrase that? Btw Aminus' absorption can also separate whatever he absorbed from something else, so wouldn't that mean Grender would have 0 of that

The Nullifixers, upon being absorbed, would just work as if they hit him directly. Everything they hit starts getting nullified from existence, including powers themselves if they are used to defend. 'Instant contact' from the Nullifixers can inflict their effects decently, especially considering Aminus has equal durability with Grender and the overdrive just makes them that much faster

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

The Nullifixers, upon being absorbed, would just work as if they hit him directly. Everything they hit starts getting nullified from existence, including powers themselves if they are used to defend. 'Instant contact' from the Nullifixers can inflict their effects decently, especially considering Aminus has equal durability with Grender and the overdrive just makes them that much faster

This is the reason why I mentioned he’d need to be able to revive his own ability, because there’s a good chance it wouldn’t exist anymore. Stacking an ability also helps as I said because they just null one stack at a time but they’re still quick about it

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

But what if he semi-absorbed it? As in absorbed but either stopped or threw it back at Grender? It's something he can do, and logically since they aren't part of him anymore, Grender should be ******, shouldn't he? I mean the abilities somehow still being tied to him despite literally not being wouldn't make sense

This is the reason why I mentioned he’d need to be able to revive his own ability, because there’s a good chance it wouldn’t exist anymore. Stacking an ability also helps as I said because they just null one stack at a time but they’re still quick about it

 

[ExSENNA]

I went ahead and changed it, I figure the description talking about Shadow Force Law is actually enough after all after looking at it, and that can be expanded if necessary

Sorry if I sounded douchy for bringing that up. I get triggered when pages exist in ways which I perceive them to be not standard, and fix them I am able to, such as boldings and people writing "Level" instead of "level"

But oh well, "Strong Power Nullification" bruh
From what I understand and what you described an said, this Nullifixer stuff is really no different than any other basic powernull and thus it is just "Power Nullification" imo. it is quite expansive and works on what it can nullify, but it is not really "strong" because of it, it does what powernull does. You see, I don't put such descriptors in any of my pages no matter how expansive and potent a hax is, for example, I don't describe Daicas's Stifle Coating as "Strong Aura and Strong Power Nullification" despite him negating powers of people who have infinite layers of resistance to powernull Because this still is within the capacities of powernull anyway

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

But oh well, "Strong Power Nullification" bruh
From what I understand and what you described an said, this Nullifixer stuff is really no different than any other basic powernull and thus it is just "Power Nullification" imo. it is quite expansive and works on what it can nullify, but it is not really "strong" because of it, it does what powernull does. You see, I don't put such descriptors in any of my pages no matter how expansive and potent a hax is, for example, I don't describe Daicas's Stifle Coating as "Strong Aura and Strong Power Nullification" despite him negating powers of people who have infinite layers of resistance to powernull Because this still is within the capacities of powernull anyway

Bruh I put strong because it has a VERY WIDE range of what it works on, it’s far from a basic power null

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Honestly fair enough though, I won’t make it a habit lol

I do consider it strong power null but yeah. I think I’ll keep this one

 

[ExSENNA]

Bruh I put strong because it has a VERY WIDE range of what it works on, it’s far from a basic power null

Honestly fair enough though, I won’t make it a habit lol

I do consider it strong power null but yeah. I think I’ll keep this one

What I was saying is that it had a wide range not really outside of the limitations of an ability simply described as "Power Nullification". Powernull is powerful, basic, and expansive indexed with scaling and explanation, not with an odd nonstandard adjective prior to it.

The word choice is odd too and triggers me like how often do you see any ability described as Strong [Insert Power] on the pna section of characters on this wiki?

I mean, if you really, really wanted to put an adjective in there, you could say Enhanced/Improved/Greater if Nullifixer is more potent than other forms of powernull that are used within Veneficaverse in terms of its potency and to a lesser extent its range to have it stop triggering me (These three adjectives are often used for characters with different keys who have the same ability on a more expanded scale, but in this case you get to put an adjective and it will not trigger me)

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

What I was saying is that it had a wide range not really outside of the limitations of an ability simply described as "Power Nullification". Powernull is powerful, basic, and expansive indexed with scaling and explanation, not with an odd nonstandard adjective prior to it.

The word choice is odd too and triggers me like how often do you see any ability described as Strong [Insert Power] on the pna section of characters on this wiki?

I mean, if you really, really wanted to put an adjective in there, you could say Enhanced/Improved if Nullifixer is more potent than other forms of powernull that are used within Veneficaverse in terms of its potency and to a lesser extent its range to have it stop triggering me

Oooh alright, I think I understand now

 

[Froggytron]

It really isn't since Shadow Force Law seems to just do some lawhax and reality warping shenanignas, both of which can be nullified with ordinary powernull who has shown to do so. I mean you can surely note it but that "Limited Law Manipulation Negation" is not a thing bruh

Note that this null isn't ordinary (I will just recycle the arguments I made for Grender's Nullifixers in past threats and adjust them, given that the base properties are in all keys):

I see, but it's worth mentioning that Nullifixers are "haxed lasers", they turn all in contact into nothingness with a really small duration of contact, only gigantic things, such as planets or opponents with way stronger durability can tank such lasers for a while. The lasers will pierce through materials like polystyrene, only tightly slowing down on extremely large objects or extremely more durable ones.

Blue Stickmen (original builders of Grender) were warned a thousand years prior about a far stronger enemy (millions and millions of times) causing an apocalypse on their planet, so they schemed a perfect superweapon machine to defend them, and they worked and worked, given that they are great engineers. There are properties in them nullifying practically anything (possibly the very principles of something being a layer above them too), given that the nemesis supposed to come were the god-tier antagonists with nearly unlimited hax hardly describable, yet this was described of landing at least a small scratch on them.

Oooh alright, I think I understand now

Seems like this is solved already tho, the potential of Nullifixers will be rephrased

 

[ExSENNA]

Note that this null isn't ordinary (I will just recycle the arguments I made for Grender's Nullifixers in past threats and adjust them, given that the base properties are in all keys):

I see, but it's worth mentioning that Nullifixers are "haxed lasers", they turn all in contact into nothingness with a really small duration of contact, only gigantic things, such as planets or opponents with way stronger durability can tank such lasers for a while. The lasers will pierce through materials like polystyrene, only tightly slowing down on extremely large objects or extremely more durable ones.

Blue Stickmen (original builders of Grender) were warned a thousand years prior about a far stronger enemy (millions and millions of times) causing an apocalypse on their planet, so they schemed a perfect superweapon machine to defend them, and they worked and worked, given that they are great engineers. There are properties in them nullifying practically anything (possibly the very principles of something being a layer above them too), given that the nemesis supposed to come were the god-tier antagonists with nearly unlimited hax hardly describable, yet this was described of landing at least a small scratch on them.

Seems like this is solved already tho, the potential of Nullifixers will be rephrased

I did read the page itself but now you said it the description of Nullifixers as "haxed lasers", they turn all in contact into nothingness now makes them sound like they could better be described as "Energy Projection (if "haxed lasers" that is Nullifixers, can be considered a form of energy) and Power Nullification via Existence Erasure (if they nullify things because they turn things into nothingness, including powers?)

 

[Froggytron]

The Nullifixers, upon being absorbed, would just work as if they hit him directly. Everything they hit starts getting nullified from existence, including powers themselves if they are used to defend. 'Instant contact' from the Nullifixers can inflict their effects decently, especially considering Aminus has equal durability with Grender and the overdrive just makes them that much faster

Agree here

But what if he semi-absorbed it? As in absorbed but either stopped or threw it back at Grender? It's something he can do, and logically since they aren't part of him anymore, Grender should be ******, shouldn't he? I mean the abilities somehow still being tied to him despite literally not being wouldn't make sense

The moment his power touches with Nullifixers anyhow (in an attempt to stop or reflect it), it itself will feel a certain nullifying effect as well, which will be slower if this "contact" can be done practically instantaneously, but will still erase these powers if used repeatedly to do these.

Grender himself has very rare mirrors (both on his summons and as armor pieces), which show to repel Nullifixers, making attack reflections at him effectively another attack reflection backward. This keeping up even briefly would progressively vanish which allows Aminus to absorb>reflect them.

 

[Froggytron]

I did read the page itself but now you said it the description of Nullifixers as "haxed lasers", they turn all in contact into nothingness now makes them sound like they could better be described as "Energy Projection (if "haxed lasers" that is Nullifixers, can be considered a form of energy) and Power Nullification via Existence Erasure (if they nullify things because they turn things into nothingness, including powers?)

Agree (just like Red Laser is listed as Energy Projection in the F.P. page carrying all the effects immediately transferred at things in contact)

It's beams of energy carrying these properties 'of vanishing from reality' on anything in contact (powers trying to manipulate it included), with the exception of the Grender's mirrors, or at least attempting this if faced with god tiers of stacked hax

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Agree (just like Red Laser is listed as Energy Projection in the F.P. page carrying all the effects immediately transferred at things in contact)

It's beams of energy carrying these properties 'of vanishing from reality' on anything in contact (powers trying to manipulate it included), with the exception of the Grender's mirrors, or at least attempting this if faced with god tiers of stacked hax

Hm, this actually seems good, I’ll check into changing it to this later

But what if he semi-absorbed it? As in absorbed but either stopped or threw it back at Grender? It's something he can do, and logically since they aren't part of him anymore, Grender should be ******, shouldn't he? I mean the abilities somehow still being tied to him despite literally not being wouldn't make sense

Now that we have the whole skill thing out of the way in discord and Froggy (the one who made nullfixers) got his explanation here, I think I have a good way for grender to get the win

The moment his power touches with Nullifixers anyhow (in an attempt to stop or reflect it), it itself will feel a certain nullifying effect as well, which will be slower if this "contact" can be done practically instantaneously, but will still erase these powers if used repeatedly to do these.

Grender himself has very rare mirrors (both on his summons and as armor pieces), which show to repel Nullifixers, making attack reflections at him effectively another attack reflection backward. This keeping up even briefly would progressively vanish which allows Aminus to absorb>reflect them.

So yeah here it is. The nullifixers will vanish the absorption and should then be able to hit him.

Even if not, theres also various tricks grender can pull via his Volt and weaponry to get a win via nullifixers since he is extremely good at hiding them. He also has a bunch of different ways to deploy them too. All he has to do is make a proper strategy and Aminus wouldn’t know to absorb them. Grender could most certainly outsmart him this way. He is a genius machine with a supercomputer brain and supercomputer core combined for immensely good deductions making and fast, skilled planning, even through all his rage and bloodlust. I’m very certain he’d find a way to win with this, especially with nullifixers being established to work

 

[HolderOfKnowledge]

Hm, this actually seems good, I’ll check into changing it to this later

Now that we have the whole skill thing out of the way in discord and Froggy (the one who made nullfixers) got his explanation here, I think I have a good way for grender to get the win

So yeah here it is. The nullifixers will vanish the absorption and should then be able to hit him.

Even if not, theres also various tricks grender can pull via his Volt and weaponry to get a win via nullifixers since he is extremely good at hiding them. He also has a bunch of different ways to deploy them too. All he has to do is make a proper strategy and Aminus wouldn’t know to absorb them. Grender could most certainly outsmart him this way. He is a genius machine with a supercomputer brain and supercomputer core combined for immensely good deductions making and fast, skilled planning, even through all his rage and bloodlust. I’m very certain he’d find a way to win with this, especially with nullifixers being established to work

still however, the page itself says the Nullifixers aren't instant, especially if the one hit is stronger than them, so Aminus could logically just ram throgh them and weaken Grender, which would also make his Nullifixers weaker, and he can do that over and over, halvening his power to oblivion, which would give him quite the advantage.

but alas i go with Incon, because even despite all of this, they're extremely equal in hax and power set, so i believe it would just end up in a draw