And it’s wrong when they do it too. Juno would need feats or an actual reason to scale to other OW characters, just saying she “should be comparable” without a good reason doesn’t work. And if there isn’t a good reason for her to scale, then the profile doesn’t need to exist yet.
She would scale to the same level of average support-hero level characters. Otherwise she would realistically be insignificant to the verse, and yet shes not treated like a joke character.
Strawman. Nobody is saying to scale her to Doomfist who is canonically one of the tops of the verse, but theres obviously a minimum level in this 5v5 shooter game we can put the heroes at the basic level with. Unless theres an in-canon contradiction to this
Plenty of other Overwatch profiles already say this, and have yet to be revised after years of being a thing. I dont see why this one that is arguably in a much better position than those should be deleted (based on this persons spite mostly, as his post on my message wall makes obvious). If this is the standard norm thats expected for the verse, then there should be a CRT about this approach
Okay and Zenyatta has a solid shot of being 9-B flat. So does Kiriko.
Doomfist in scaling is like 2 one-shots above the average High 8-C to the point of one-shotting Winston, yet his fist can be tanked by practically everyone. Winston's tesla canon vaporized Reaper in Recall but Reaper can tank it for several seconds in gameplay.
Yeah I have other verses I focus on that were in even worse states then Overwatch(Namely City of Heroes and Darksiders) and I can name 2 profiles that once I get around to them, wouldn't be 8-C or High 8-C. Symmetra and Lifeweaver. They'd be 9-B scaling to the generic wall level feat.
I genuinely dont mind to call her 9-B with the Tier 8 possibility like Zenyatta. Sounds so much easier to edit than just trying to forcefully delete the page and be Counterproductive. Kiriko is comparable to Genji and Hanzo canonically, and the trained daughter of the best swordfighter in the verse soooo
Thats called gameplay mechanics over lore. Overwatch clearly uses a mixture of both in their profiles. Juno however, despite being comparative on a gameplay-level, is still a character in this world that is portrayed as keeping up with every other hero on the battlefield in some degree. She wouldnt be anything less than the bare average, and shes clearly not made to be a joke character who has an actual reason we CANT scale them to the bare minimum.
Like I said on your wall, Juno's tier would be 9-B, likely High 8-C(From her Sigma statement). You've given me the motivation to get this done, so uh... expect a lot of reworks soon.
The point is there is no PVP scaling, with it's inconsistencies I can't justify giving anyone it, we can't half-measure here, ya do it or ya don't, there is no sometimes.
Then you can fix it by all means, but i wasnt gonna stand for how you were speaking to me, nor reply to it if you refused to be civil about it. I surprisingly dont disagree with your take on it, but like hell am i gonna act like its okay to deal with it that way.
Since when were profiles worthy of being made based on how much lore the character is given?
I mean the point of this entire thing was that there is no general scale
Yeah I gotta agree on this, there is no "theyre not deserving of a profile" in this economy
For us to have any feats, we need lore too. It's that simply, no need to jump around to question that.
Someone actually tried but it was so shitty that Ant jumped on it.
Well not necessarily no. Juno HAS as much lore as every hero starts with, and her own animated trailer. Theres enough to make a profile of, its just obv not as detailed as characters like Soldier or Reaper. Shes an actual playable hero with her own ability kit
Illari's explosion needs to be calced before making her profile
I mean we have a general feat that everyone can kind of scale to(9-B) and statement that she's faced stronger then Sigma(likely High 8-c)
Look, I don't care enough to make this into a bigger case— but what you're saying is BS, lmao. If this character has no feats in their lore, how can you even scale them? Like right now, she's scaling to Lucio for no reason (I know Reaper is saying that he's going to fix that), they fought or interacted. Her being playable shouldn't be the minimum.
The shockwave or the destroying those brick fences of the maps? Either way, I don't care since I can see her being 9-B. That likely should actually be "possibly" tho.
Scaling to other general characters as a playable hero (who has no in-lore reason why she wouldnt be ultimately inferior to other characters) is fine to make a profile out of, sorry you dont agree ig. Since when did characters need to prove singular feats in their own lore to be minimally on the same state as the average of the verse. Juno is very obviously not gonna be made inferior to every other character.
She has no in-lore reason to be comparable either.
They dont need singular feats, they need feats. You wanna know why you put her as comparable to characters she never fought? Because you didn't had anything to work with, lmao.
Then don't make her comparable to characters that are involved. That's the actual issue that Reaper is going to fix. I'll just dip it since I already made my case.
Absolutely.
I'm in total support of adding her into the VSBW but you should definitely wait until we know more about her. Her statements aren't supported with clear evidence of her capabilities and I don't think comparing her to other heroes should be the main pinnacle of her scaling. I've been working my ass off to get even Sojourn added while she's been in the game for years
I figure gameplay scaling should be enough, unless there's a lore reason that doesn't remotely work.
Well when you have a character that claims to destroy asteroids on the get-go and that her AP in game is comparable to the one of a ping-pong ball there’s room for debate..Although I do think the people here are being unnecessarily severe, she shouldn’t get a deletion but we should fill the page as time goes.
It should be allowed. I request it to be undeleted.
I don’t think the canon factor is the problem.
The section of the page in the editing rules I referenced is under the section for the types of characters allowed. This has nothing to do with what's canon or not, just that if anything about the youtube/online franchise reaches 1 million views or more, and isn't fanon, it's allowed.
People who refute the creation of this page are motivated by the fact that it’s lacking clear evidence and proper scaling, nothing more.
Wait, people have already discussed Lasso Man here? I mean, he may not be that strong AP wise, but he has good hax. It's just how his verse works. Also, in the deletion message Antvsima left he said "This does not seem sufficiently notable to be featured here", which according to the rules of the wiki, it actually is, and he says nothing about a lack of proper scaling.
Oh then I guess I read the room wrong, because everyone's been debating about the fact that her canon feats aren't reliable enough.
Yes, I've defended the creation of the page but I've advised the creator to not start scaling with zero serious feats.
Wait, I think you've got things wrong- I'm not talking about overwatch or whatever you guys were talking about here beforehand, I'm talking about a separate verse, a separarte character, whose profile was wrongly deleted. I do not know what you were discussing here before my arrival.
Oh so sorry lmao I didn't realize.
My personal argument was never that Juno didn't have reliable enough feats, it was always that you need feats to scale to certain characters.
Understood bestie
Yeah I know I annoyed you guys with this, but it can be kept for now, as I'm gonna focus on another verse for the time being.
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