Is this R>F

[Ar1216789]

Would this be R>F? Characters are also aware they live in a fictional world.

More context:
basically Fairy King changed the plot of Cookie Run to Doughnut Run, turning the entire world into a meme sort of world. Mic-Mac is being summoned to return everything to normal from the human world. (start from 0:00 to around 0:17) The Game Events further tell us the Cookies that have been turned into Doughnut Balls went to the human world and Mic Mac's desk. Gingerbrave is also aware he is a fictional main character and everyone knows their verse is fictional

Something notable is that the person who created everything in the game and is aware of everything within it was affected by the Plot Manip that turned Cookie Run to Doughnut Run while the Sugar Swan was not.. implying the Sugar Swan has some sort of higher level than that of the Producers.

 

[Digital_Franz]

No I don't think so. Referring to our world is not R>F.

 

[Ar1216789]

No I don't think so. Referring to our world is not R>F.

It's more than just referring to the world, they've been to the producer's desk, alongside the producer joining a storyline within the game to defeat a character who manipulated the entire plot.

 

[Digital_Franz]

It's more than just referring to the world, they've been to the producer's desk, alongside the producer joining a storyline within the game to defeat a character who manipulated the entire plot.

Still no. It just looks like Breaking the Fourth Wall.

 

[Ar1216789]

Still no. It just looks like Breaking the Fourth Wall.

How? The Producer took them to his desk beyond Cookie Run, they also view their verse as fiction in the storyline. Also, the Executive Producer who was included in the storyline is below the strongest in the verse.

 

[Digital_Franz]

How? The Producer took them to his desk beyond Cookie Run, they also view their verse as fiction in the storyline. Also, the Executive Producer who was included in the storyline is below the strongest in the verse.

I don't think so. First of all check if it meets all the conditions of R>F and if there is no disqualifier. Check the FAQ.

 

[Secimatar]

It needs more input to qualify as r>f

 

[Ar1216789]

It needs more input to qualify as r>f

Not really, the fact they've been to the real world and the producer's desk should be enough for R>F. But if you want more.. basically Fairy King changed the plot of Cookie Run to Doughnut Run, turning the entire world into a meme sort of world. Mic-Mac is being summoned to return everything to normal from the human world. (0:13) The Game Events further tell us the Cookies that have been turned into Doughnut Balls went to the human world and Mic Mac's desk. Gingerbrave is also aware he is a fictional main character and everyone knows their verse is fictional on top of that going to the real world is more than enough for R>F.

 

[JimedBro2020]

Tell me, did they "ascend" into the real world via their own ability or did they possess some metaphysical ability to ascend into the real world

 

[Ar1216789]

Tell me, did they "ascend" into the real world via their own ability or did they possess some metaphysical ability to ascend into the real world

We don't get much on this. We just know the Cookies fell to the real world after the Plot was changed, into Mic Macs desk. So I'm assuming they ascended to the real world. Or the other possibility would be Micmac took them to his desk since him and Cookies have been shown to freely go to the human world and Cookie World. Either of those, still R>F, I checked the Reality Fiction Transcendence on the wiki, and theres nothing wrong from what I'm seeing.

 

[Digital_Franz]

We don't get much on this. We just know the Cookies fell to the real world after the Plot was changed, into Mic Macs desk. So I'm assuming they ascended to the real world. Or the other possibility would be Micmac took them to his desk since him and Cookies have been shown to freely go to the human world and Cookie World. Either of those, still R>F, I checked the Reality Fiction Transcendence on the wiki, and theres nothing wrong from what I'm seeing.

There are anti-feats to consider. If they go to the human world on their own then you can forget about it all.

 

[Ar1216789]

There are anti-feats to consider. If they go to the human world on their own then you can forget about it all.

I seriously doubt it's on their own. This is just one of my guesses on the topic. The nature of this R>F isn't elaborated upon. I made a mistake on my comment before, micmacs the only one shown to go to the human world. The fact Cookies can affect him makes them around the same mathematical dimension.

 

[JimedBro2020]

I seriously doubt it's on their own. This is just one of my guesses on the topic. The nature of this R>F isn't elaborated upon. I made a mistake on my comment before, micmacs the only one shown to go to the human world. The fact Cookies can affect him makes them around the same mathematical dimension.

So it's vague as hell... Idk bro, this seems pretty iffy to me. Also, your last quote, wouldn't be R>F anymore and since you said "mathematical dimensions", it'd be just 3D now. R>F is suppose to be the upper world sees the lower world as nothingness, describing both as having the same "mathematical dimensions" would honestly negate an R>F, it would be more of the cookies are 2D and MicMac is 3D now.

 

[Ar1216789]

No. The R>F standards confuse me, someone told me it would be 1-A. Cookie Run being 2D is an extremely insane take. Also the mathematical dimensions part is just something from the R>F, rather from the game itself since R>F standard is supposed to be a higher dimensional layer. but since the R>F standards are changed i'm not sure. Cookie Run is 4D-6D, 2D is very VERY wrong. The fact that space-times exist in Cookie Run contradict this idea. It's more of the Cookies going to the Micmacs Deks, thus transcending the fictional world into the real and thereby implying a higher-dimensionality. Also the R>F page explains what your trying to say. Also your claim would be wrong since this would basically be claiming all of fiction is 2D since Micmac (a 3-D human) views them as fiction, which is wrong, and this is all also explained in the R>F page.

So it's vague as hell... Idk bro, this seems pretty iffy to me. Also, your last quote, wouldn't be R>F anymore and since you said "mathematical dimensions", it'd be just 3D now. R>F is suppose to be the upper world sees the lower world as nothingness, describing both as having the same "mathematical dimensions" would honestly negate an R>F, it would be more of the cookies are 2D and MicMac is 3D now

 

[JimedBro2020]

No. The R>F standards confuse me, someone told me it would be 1-A. Cookie Run being 2D is an extremely insane take. Also the mathematical dimensions part is just something from the R>F, rather from the game itself since R>F standard is supposed to be a higher dimensional layer. but since the R>F standards are changed i'm not sure. Cookie Run is 4D-6D, 2D is very VERY wrong. The fact that space-times exist in Cookie Run contradict this idea. It's more of the Cookies going to the Micmacs Deks, thus transcending the fictional world into the real and thereby implying a higher-dimensionality. Also the R>F page explains what your trying to say. Also your claim would be wrong since this would basically be claiming all of fiction is 2D since Micmac (a 3-D human) views them as fiction, which is wrong, and this is all also explained in the R>F page.

My bad, I interpreted your statement differently. Anyways, you said they were able to "go" to the real world ey? Unless they have some metaphysical ability to transcend, the fact they were able to go up means that the divide between the worlds isn't all that "R>F" but just quantitative.

But- it- R>F isn't mathematical...

 

[Ar1216789]

My bad, I interpreted your statement differently. Anyways, you said they were able to "go" to the real world ey? Unless they have some metaphysical ability to transcend, the fact they were able to go up means that the divide between the worlds isn't all that "R>F" but just quantitative.

But- it- R>F isn't mathematical...

The only one who can access the Real World is Micmac.. so the Producer is one who took them there. The Cookies are also aware of their fictional nature, which adds onto this. If R>F isn't a higher dimensional layer then this is my fault, I though R>F qualifies for higher dimensionality on this wiki.

 

[JimedBro2020]

The only one who can access the Real World is Micmac.. so the Producer is one who took them there. The Cookies are also aware of their fictional nature, which adds onto this. If R>F isn't a higher dimensional layer then this is my fault, I though R>F qualifies for higher dimensionality on this wiki.

Aight... Btw, R>F is Outerversal (at the very LEAST), WAY above the dimensional stuff

 

[JimedBro2020]

HOLD IT HOLD IT HOLD IT!

Imma have to retry this thread once again.

Alright so, R>F stands as transcending over something so far beyond that it reaches to the point where the lower world is literally nothingness, not even infinity or an infinite difference can account for such transcendence.

Now, let's see the disqualifiers for R>F

However, there are also factors that can speak against Reality-Fiction Transcendence, even if all of the above is given. Those include:

• The realities are portrayed like parallel universes or otherwise as having just a finite difference in scale or having a similar nature.
• The characters from both realities are generally being portrayed as comparable in power
• The author character completely live in the fictional medium themselves. For example the author character might have a book that contains the world, but the author themselves are also a character in it and don't exist outside it any more than other characters of that world.
• The fictional characters being able to attack the real ones without being shown to somehow have transcended their fictional world or having special abilities that allow it by being something rooted in a higher reality. Such instances often have to be analyzed on a case-by-case basis to judge how they are best rated.

Additionally, the showings should be reasonably clear. On top of the things already dismissed as genuine evidence, cameos of author avatars, hints at a "player" character without further context or similar things should be disregarded. In such cases it simply can't be sufficiently ascertained that the world is viewed as true "fiction". In some cases it's not even clear if it's more than a simple nod to the audience or humorous instance of Breaking the Fourth Wall, which is not to be taken seriously.

Now, let's see what you have evident (this will go in order of the disqualifiers.

1. The nature of Cookie Run's R>F is pretty "ambiguous" and a lot of your evidence is pretty much just headcanon which puts your stuff in a very unstable line.

2. You said that they were able to affect him which fulfills disqualifier number 2. "Comparable in power despite being of a lower world".

3. From what you're saying, Micmac seems as much part of the world as the other characters rather than transcending it, which disqualifies R>F.

4. Same as point 1, the fact they can match MicMac, plus the dubious nature of the verse's R>F.

5. Once again, considering how much the R>F isn't explained well or specified, and just seems like parallel universes, and the fact you just "assume" so, makes things pretty rough on your part.

Overall, the R>F is dubious and ambiguous. I doubt any 1-A status.

 

[Ar1216789]

HOLD IT HOLD IT HOLD IT!

Imma have to retry this thread once again.

Alright so, R>F stands as transcending over something so far beyond that it reaches to the point where the lower world is literally nothingness, not even infinity or an infinite difference can account for such transcendence.

Now, let's see the disqualifiers for R>F



Now, let's see what you have evident (this will go in order of the disqualifiers.

1. The nature of Cookie Run's R>F is pretty "ambiguous" and a lot of your evidence is pretty much just headcanon which puts your stuff in a very unstable line.

2. You said that they were able to affect him which fulfills disqualifier number 2. "Comparable in power despite being of a lower world".

3. From what you're saying, Micmac seems as much part of the world as the other characters rather than transcending it, which disqualifies R>F.

4. Same as point 1, the fact they can match MicMac, plus the dubious nature of the verse's R>F.

5. Once again, considering how much the R>F isn't explained well or specified, and just seems like parallel universes, and the fact you just "assume" so, makes things pretty rough on your part.

Overall, the R>F is dubious and ambiguous. I doubt any 1-A status.

Hm.. I'm not sure, they go to the Producers desk in real life. The R>F isn't elaborated upon so I'm theorizing based on what we've seen in-game. He is the only one who can go to the Human World and Cookie World. I'm assuming he got harmed because upon entering the Cookie World he gained their dimensionality. Idk.

 

[JimedBro2020]

Hm.. I'm not sure, they go to the Producers desk in real life. The R>F isn't elaborated upon so I'm theorizing based on what we've seen in-game. He is the only one who can go to the Human World and Cookie World. I'm assuming he got harmed because upon entering the Cookie World he gained their dimensionality. Idk.

Your statements covers for disqualifiers 1, 2, and 3. Also, further headcanon, considering how even you say it isn't elaborated upon, that would fall under disqualifier 5.

 

[Ar1216789]

Your statements covers for disqualifiers 1, 2, and 3. Also, further headcanon, considering how even you say it isn't elaborated upon, that would fall under disqualifier 5.

Idm if they don't have R>F if i'm being honest, since this is a question an answer, but i guess you can argue with it and I also explained what you said about the disqualifiers.

 

[JimedBro2020]

Idm if they don't have R>F if i'm being honest, since this is a question an answer, but i guess you can argue with it and I also explained what you said about the disqualifiers.

The hell you mean "explained about the disqualifiers"

 

[Secimatar]

Hm.. I'm not sure, they go to the Producers desk in real life. The R>F isn't elaborated upon so I'm theorizing based on what we've seen in-game. He is the only one who can go to the Human World and Cookie World. I'm assuming he got harmed because upon entering the Cookie World he gained their dimensionality. Idk.

Characters not being able to enter the human world doesn't automatically qualify it for r>f. It can also just be protected by the 4th wall. It can also be that no one has the knowledge on how to go to the human world (basically they have to be 4th wall aware). As I said before this requires more statements to show that the human world has r>f transcendence over the cookie world.

 

[Ar1216789]

Characters not being able to enter the human world doesn't automatically qualify it for r>f. It can also just be protected by the 4th wall. It can also be that no one has the knowledge on how to go to the human world (basically they have to be 4th wall aware). As I said before this requires more statements to show that the human world has r>f transcendence over the cookie world.

What? Its the legit producers desk, that alone should be superiority, his screen also shows Cookie Run. Micmac is the only one shown to be able to go the Human World and Cookie World in-story. Also note the people playing the game have their own character which is referred to as "You" Timekeeper was able to alter the Player as well as Moonlight Cookie, the fact Micmac took them beyond the Cookie World into his Desk portrays transcendance.

 

[ShionAH]

Its the legit producers desk, that alone should be superiority, his screen also shows Cookie Run.

You need to prove that he sees the game as less dimensional than himself

 

[Ar1216789]

You need to prove that he sees the game as less dimensional than himself

No? Seeing things as fiction means you view them as infinitesimal, considering Cookies view the game as fiction and with the fact they've been to the Producers desk implies they are all around the same level.

 

[ShionAH]

No? Seeing things as fiction means you view them as infinitesimal, considering Cookies view the game as fiction and with the fact they've been to the Producers desk implies they are all around the same level.

Codes are technically not 2D, anyways you still need way more supporting feats

 

[Secimatar]

What? Its the legit producers desk, that alone should be superiority, his screen also shows Cookie Run. Micmac is the only one shown to be able to go the Human World and Cookie World in-story.

All this alone is not enough to show superiority. I know another character "The architect" from shadow fight series who was called "The director/The maker/The creator/The screen writer" who came from the "real world" who only he was ever shown able to access, we could also see his set in the real world from where he came, who viewed the game characters as fiction, and yet they didn't qualify him for r>f. Trust me bro now the r>f rules are too strict and with current input and I don't think Micmac can qualify for r>f.

 

[Ar1216789]

ig i'll review the R>F page and see the qualifiers

All this alone is not enough to show superiority. I know another character "The architect" from shadow fight series who was called "The director/The maker/The creator/The screen writer" who came from the "real world" who only he was ever shown able to access, we could also see his set in the real world from where he came, who viewed the game characters as fiction, and yet they didn't qualify him for r>f. Trust me bro now the r>f rules are too strict and with current input and I don't think Michael can qualify for r>f.