Garry's Mod Discussion Thread

[Diamond_Drone]

Discussion for Garry's Mod and Garry's Mod related topics. This includes addons, gamemodes, machinimas and communities.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Guess I'll be the first to actually post something here.

There's some progress that I made in the TF2 FreakShow stats. Firstly is a pretty decent Hypersonic feat that scales to some of the top tiers like Cupcake and Christian (though the latter was via accelerated development) and I also got an LS value for first ever feat, getting Class 10

Another thing I got is some calcs that may effect the tiering of the Pre-2014 Extended Canon Key, which includes Crazy Machine causing and surviving a factory exploding with him in the epicenter (8-B) and Christian possibly surviving a nuclear blast (Low 7-C), although it's unclear whether or not he did survive it. There's also Seeman mimicking Seeldiers Aura that causes a pretty decent explosion

Basically, this means that the only current FreakShow profile, the main monster, will have his first key LS upgraded and in his second key his speed will be upgraded to Hypersonic (though I'll probably need to figure out how to format the stats of the other freaks because of this) and his AP will lose the 9-B+, but will gain likely City Block and possibly Small Town, given that he has fought Christian semi-frequently and he fought Mutated Burger in his debut video (Volume Warning), who was an equal match for Crazy Machine

 

[Unkn0wnAether]

Holy crap gmod hi!

anyways I feel like we could make profiles for quite a few Gmod YouTubers like NecrosVideos, right?

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Holy crap gmod hi!

anyways I feel like we could make profiles for quite a few Gmod YouTubers like NecrosVideos, right?

If you want to! I was planning on reworking the Vanoss Profile to be focused more on the GMod content he has made, but I haven't gotten to it yet. I do have a unfinished sandbox for Soundsmith's GMod incarnation though, so that's something?

I was also planning on calculating a Black Hole feat for that Infinity Gauntlet addon that was really popular, I already calculated a few addon feats which have given impressive results.

 

[Flowerguy2]

I have been thinking about creating more profiles for the FreakShow-verse such like Vagineer, Dic Soupcan, Christian Brutal Sniper, Weaselcake, and etc. since there's only 3 (5 if you count the Pootis Engage's profiles) TF2 FreakShow's profile so far.

 

[Flowerguy2]

Started working on a Intelligent Heavy's and Sewer Medic's profile in my sandboxes.
Intelligent Heavy's Profile (Working on this)
Sewer Medic's Profile

Gonna start continuing making more FreakShow profiles for the lower/mid-tiered Freaks.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Started working on a Intelligent Heavy's and Sewer Medic's profile in my sandboxes.
Intelligent Heavy's Profile (Working on this)
Sewer Medic's Profile

Gonna start continuing making more FreakShow profiles for the lower/mid-tiered Freaks.

I'm also working on a sandbox for Christian Brutal Sniper. I just finished working on the main statistics and references, so I'm planning to finish the remaining statistics and abilities.

I also expanded the ability list for Extended Canon Painis Cupcake a little bit. He's now over a thousand years old

 

[Flowerguy2]

Made several calcs on the explosion's feats that happened during GamingAllStarsGmod's Smash Bros Gmod series

 

[Unkn0wnAether]

hello chat, i'm currently working on profiles for Kitty0706's Elliot Goes to School, and I was wondering what everyone's thoughts on the validity of using Merry Christmas Elliot, a short that includes Elliot, and even has Kitty's involvement, however nothing really proves that it's canon outside of Mr. Higglesworth making a brief cameo, complete with a similar voice. the short itself would bump him up a few tiers thanks to him tanking a bomb that had stock footage of a nuclear explosion

if we're generally at an agreement, i'll probably add the short. but everything regarding the main series is done, and i have calculations for notable feats

 

[Diamond_Drone]

hello chat, i'm currently working on profiles for Kitty0706's Elliot Goes to School, and I was wondering what everyone's thoughts on the validity of using Merry Christmas Elliot, a short that includes Elliot, and even has Kitty's involvement, however nothing really proves that it's canon outside of Mr. Higglesworth making a brief cameo, complete with a similar voice. the short itself would bump him up a few tiers thanks to him tanking a bomb that had stock footage of a nuclear explosion

if we're generally at an agreement, i'll probably add the short. but everything regarding the main series is done, and i have calculations for notable feats

I'm not familiar with any of Kitty's works except for Team Fabulous 2, but given Kitty0706 was involved with the video I'd considered canon. Worst-case scenario, you could still put the short's info into a seperate key I think.

Also Dwarf Star Addons lol. I wonder if the Player could scale to the Half-Life/Portal's cosmology (or Stanley Parable's cosmology) if we consider mounted games "canon" to Gmod (I mean, the profile already uses Gold Buildings, HL:Source NPCs and Combine Hunters which I'm pretty sure wouldn't be possible without mounting the respective games those textures, models, etc come from)

 

[Flowerguy2]

Made several calcs on the explosion's feats that happened during GamingAllStarsGmod's Smash Bros Gmod series

Updated it and added new calcs in which I got 8-C and 8-A results. Pretty insane from a jump in tier ngl

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Updated it and added new calcs in which I got 8-C and 8-A results. Pretty insane from a jump in tier ngl

Commented on it. Pretty good calcs, don't seem to have much or any errors at all. Tell me if there's any feats that you wanna help with.

Also our TF2 Freakshow sandboxes have been pretty much abandoned since July, and since that time I've been looking for potential feats. I have actually found a few feats by looking on the FreakShow wiki but I'm also gonna calc Demopan knocking Intelligent Heavy far away and probably Demopan's reaction feat from the same episode as well so we get some stuff for the lower tiers.

 

[Flowerguy2]

Decided to do some digging throughout the TF2's Freaks wiki and Youtube Videos they appeared in, here's what the I found:

Spoiler: The List

• Intelligent Heavy's Feats:
  • Survived falling from a building (Intelligent Heavy would scale to this feat, along with other characters who can harmed him)
  • Heavy was able to fitted inside of a tiny cup and grew back to size after said cup was destroyed (Grant Intelligent Heavy Size Manipulation, down to Small Size Type 2)
  • Knocked out a BLU Scout with Pot (AP)
  • Was inside of Scout's computer (Grant Heavy Immersion)
  • In the 2K Milestone video, Heavy was seen playing with a RED Spy on Garry's Mod during his computer and also viewed the Original TF2 Game as a video game (Said RED Spy was a running gag seen throughout the Minifett's channel, would this give anything for Heavy?)
  • In this video's title, it's stated that "Heavy Breaks the Bonds of This Mortal World"
  • Stated that he is "Bat-proofed", before showing it by smacking the metal bat against his pot... until getting dragged onto the water by a Zombie Scout (Would scaled to the Pot's durability)
  • Recovered from a beating from RED Medic (Durability and Stamina)
  • Accidentally knocked himself out with a punch (AP)
  • Punched and presumably killed a Idle RED Scout (AP)
  • Knocked out a BLU Spy with a Soldier Puppet, and later tanking hits from it (AP/Durability)
  • Smacked away the Minifett's Watermark (Fourth Wall Breaking)
  • Jump high enough to flied off-screen (Gives him Flight)
  • His Pot was unharmed by a bullet, and later overpowered one of the Soldier (Durability/AP/Superhuman LS)
  • Stated by medic to be "The Man of Science" (Intelligent Feat)
• Spyper's Feats:
  • Shot a Medic from Point-Blank, and later did the same to Pyro (Simply grant Marksmanship)
  • Sliced a Bot-Scout in half (A 9-B feat?)
  • Talked directly to the viewers, and Minifett threatned that "Spyper will r*pe us" (Fourth Wall Breaking and possibly Immersion?)
  • Spyper's Van rammed into and knocked away Engineer's truck (Would obviously only scale to Spyper's Van, also, would his Van's speed would give interesting result with KE? Throughout the channel, Spyper has shown to crashed onto the ground and this feat existed)
  • Tanked a hit from a RED Scout's bat, but also give him a nose bleed (Durability)
  • Distracted Soldier by scaring him to steal the Intelligent (Intelligent Feat)
• Intelligent Heavy and Spyper:
  • Both were seen flying through space (Give the both of them Self-Sustenance Type 1)
• Others:
  • Saris Khan stated in multiple Message Walls:
    • "They're widely recognised "NPC characters"; they don't really belong to anyone, so they're the neutral pinnacle to all the "active" Freaks. As long as the active Freak is weaker than them, they should be okay. Any Freak that tries to be stronger than them will either work hard for that or fail miserably. As such, we've got a reasonable limit set to the power of Freaks." (Referring to Painis Cupcake and BLU Vagineer)
    • "Some Freaks (used to) pose threat to the whole Freak World, such as Nightmare Medic, Dr. Schadenfreude or Pencer, whilst some are much more local or simply not powerful enough to register as a high-level threat."
  • Found out there was a Official Wiki Guide for TF2 Freak's Abilities
  • A Unofficial Ranking existed in a Forum for LE-the-Creator and OluapPlayer
  • A forum existed for "Doppelganger's Rampage" and an another one

That's what from I got atleast

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Decided to do some digging throughout the TF2's Freaks wiki and Youtube Videos they appeared in, here's what the I found:

Interesting findings! I already did two lazy calcs for the Minifett videos (and will probably do ones that require more effort) and I did some for the Freak Fight between Demopan and Intelligent Heavy which... weren't really that impressive aside from speed, but I'm pretty sure even that will be underwhelming when calculating speed feats in the Creator Canon.
Them both flying through space with the van would also grant resistance to temperatures and radiation, which is explained in the Space Survival page that... exists? There seems to be supporting evidence for them having done space travel frequently and this would also grant a speed feat, given that the van has to be fast enough to leave the planet's atmosphere (Escape Velocity, which is around 11200 m/s for Earth) and to travel between planets.

And to be honest, the "Unofficial Rankings" thing makes me less confident in using the rankings for scaling. We should preferable find and prioritize feats for them, if possible. I did put Saris' statements about Painis Cupcake being the "neutral pinnacle" in his feats section though, so that's good.

Also, I don't know what Heavy "breaking the bonds of his world" means.

 

[Unkn0wnAether]

do you guys think we could potentially remove type 4 Immortality from the gmod player? it's likely game mechanics

 

[Flowerguy2]

do you guys think we could potentially remove type 4 Immortality from the gmod player? it's likely game mechanics

But the whole game is game mechanics tho (Ex. such as Spawnlist, Noclip, The Toolgun, Cleanup and much more)

 

[Unkn0wnAether]

But the whole game is game mechanics tho (Ex. such as Spawnlist, Noclip, The Toolgun, Cleanup and much more)

no those things are just. things the player can do normally and on command? respawning is a common thing in games and is almost never canon

 

[Diamond_Drone]

do you guys think we could potentially remove type 4 Immortality from the gmod player? it's likely game mechanics

no those things are just. things the player can do normally and on command? respawning is a common thing in games and is almost never canon

The Player also respawns on command and it's also required for the shapeshifting (playermodels) to work for some reason...

There's also TTT where respawning and noclipping are not available to the Player due to not being intended features for the gamemode. Plus the ability fits someone whose purpose is being a sandbox player avatar (sorta like Steve)

 

[Unkn0wnAether]

Ah. Well i guess that makes sense

 

[Diamond_Drone]

So for a month I've been calculating some feats for TF2 FreakShow, which offers a serious upgrade to most of the characters/technology (but also some supporting feats), and they are:

• Heavy leaving and punching Ellis across the world
• Christian Brutal Sniper explodes a building
• Intelligent Heavy and Spyper travel across planets and possibly survive reentry speeds
• Painis Cupcake blows up Sawmill
• Engineer gets detonated into space and leaps interplanetary distances
• Painis Cupcake's return trip from mars
• Nightmare Medic Lava Attack

Surprisingly, most of the Tier 7 feats are done by standard mercenaries and not the freaks themselves, giving it some real impressive upscaling potential. I'm also pretty sure I can get an LS upgrade with the Engineer leaping feat by doing something similar to this calc. EDIT: Calced it, got Class M

Oh and there's this channel, which I think can also give solid upgrades and feats for freaks if they were calculated. What do you guys think?

 

[Flowerguy2]

Reviving this verse cuz freak yeaaaahhh
Found out there is a 1,148 long list of Freak Fortress' videos and an "official" TF2-Freakshow playlist, while I'm still scrolling through them, here's what I found:

Spoiler: Potential Feats and Upgrades/Other Stuffs

• Painis Cupcake will freeze in place once his Theme Song stopped playing (Weakness for Painis?)
• A BLU Painis Cupcake is able to screamed hard enough to give a Spy cardiac arrest (Sound Manipulation)
• Several Freaks and RED Mercenaries survived a explosion (Small Building level at best)
• Seeman's simple See-beam is enough to vaporized a Heavy, which the energy required to vaporize a human is around 0.068 to 0.072 Tons of TNT (Small Building level)
• A Gigantic Vaginner made out of flames known as "Guardians" of the Vagineer's homeworld exist.
• Thousand of Caberneers caused a planetery explosion (Two Spies were seen being able to survived an explosion from one Caberneers, though it's unknown if everyone survived the explosion or not)
• Demopon kicks at the speed of light and produces an unstable wormhole to travel between alternate dimensions resulting in a broken universe (Jettan's explanation)
• A movie about Freak Fortress 2 was was also created, remembered watching it a few years back, could have some potential feats somewhere in there.

Not much, but still impressive not the less.

Also created and finished up a sandbox for one of the obscure Freaks, aka Twitch.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

I've been working on a physiology page for the freaks which is still unfinished.

Those seem to be pretty good feats, I've been calculating similar feats with some... interesting results (Planet level Demopan?) and wanted to rework the scaling quite a bit.

Twitch's page seems good, but I don't think them being in the same place as Seeman means they are the same age (Afterall, Seeman was standing in Hydro for a thousand years watching Scout whack Heavy with a bat) and with Twitch debuting after Seeman's first appearance.

 

[Deleted member 15008]

you guys should move Garry’s mod to VSBW it’s an offical game lol

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Thousand of Caberneers caused a planetery explosion (Two Spies were seen being able to survived an explosion from one Caberneers, though it's unknown if everyone survived the explosion or not)

I calculated the power of the Caberneer's explosion, and also their power in general via KE and giant pistols. Explosion is High 6-B, while their general strength falls around Low 7-B and 7-A (Their Wiki Page suggests that Madic, a Mid-Tier freak intended to be weaker than the classic freaks, would be able to tank their explosions with his explosion resistance, thoughts?). I also recalculated the cloud Crazy Machine (and Mutated Burger) produced and got 6-A results and then calculated the power of their lightning based of something I learned from the Skibidi CRT and got High 7-A results.

I also started making progress on a Verse Page (and a few more freaks), mainly so I have a list of calcs to pull from easily. Honestly, I thought the freaks were probably gonna get downgraded (especially with their Island level feat not really counting as "surviving") but these feats are probably good enough to upgrade Painis Cupcake's Pre-2014 key to "Small City level, possibly Mountain level", Post-2014 key to "Large Country level, likely Multi-Continental" and have standard mercenaries vary, but be around nuclear tier.

you guys should move Garry’s mod to VSBW it’s an offical game lol

I can't really tell if you're being serious. It's official, yeah, but it's just a sandbox with Half-Life assets excluding maps. Also pretty sure it was moved from VSBW to here too

 

[Flowerguy2]

Explosion is High 6-B, while their general strength falls around Low 7-B and 7-A (Their Wiki Page suggests that Madic, a Mid-Tier freak intended to be weaker than the classic freaks, would be able to tank their explosions with his explosion resistance, thoughts?)

I guess it could work? Dunno, but it seems good to my eyes.

I also started making progress on a Verse Page (and a few more freaks), mainly so I have a list of calcs to pull from easily. Honestly, I thought the freaks were probably gonna get downgraded (especially with their Island level feat not really counting as "surviving") but these feats are probably good enough to upgrade Painis Cupcake's Pre-2014 key to "Small City level, possibly Mountain level", Post-2014 key to "Large Country level, likely Multi-Continental" and have standard mercenaries vary, but be around nuclear tier.

Interesting.

Also love how the fact that Polite Spy, who seems to be just an average-looking Freak, is actually around Low 7-B to possibly 7-A the moment he brings out the CBS to Painis' scaling lol (Also in the same video, Painis is shown to have regenerated his head back after Vagineer tore it off by throwing his wrench so... Mid Regeneration's Painis?)

 

[Deleted member 15008]

I can't really tell if you're being serious. It's official, yeah, but it's just a sandbox with Half-Life assets excluding maps. Also pretty sure it was moved from VSBW to here too

I am being serious, move it to VSBW, hell I'll argue for it there is 0 reason for it to be on GMod unless it is fanmade GMod content. It may not have lore but it can still have feats and what not just don't use workshop.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

I am being serious, move it to VSBW, hell I'll argue for it there is 0 reason for it to be on GMod unless it is fanmade GMod content. It may not have lore but it can still have feats and what not just don't use workshop.

I mean, other Half-Life-based games that had both feats and lore were rejected so I'm not too hopeful. You can try, but I still very much prefer for it to be on here (maybe until that new partner wiki Alt Battles gets finished or something, idk)

 

[Deleted member 15008]

I mean, other Half-Life-based games that had both feats and lore were rejected so I'm not too hopeful. You can try, but I still very much prefer for it to be on here (maybe until that new partner wiki Alt Battles gets finished or something, idk)

Yes but gmod is officially endorsed by valve, big difference.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Honestly, I thought the freaks were probably gonna get downgraded (especially with their Island level feat not really counting as "surviving") but these feats are probably good enough to upgrade Painis Cupcake's Pre-2014 key to "Small City level, possibly Mountain level", Post-2014 key to "Large Country level, likely Multi-Continental" and have standard mercenaries vary, but be around nuclear tier.

An update on this because, well, I've upgraded Painis Cupcake's Post-2014 key to what has been said here (albeit I used the 6-A instead of High 6-B) and also increased the overall Speed and LS of the Extended Canon keys. I haven't updated the Pre-2014 key because I wanted to somehow move all the information there to the feats section before that (and also make the profiles that he would be scaling to).

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Unrelated to TF2 Freakshow, but I have been making progress on making HLVRAI profiles on the wiki. First by updating all the calculations I have already made for it (plus a few new ones), making an explanation blog for the high tiers and then hopefully making a physiology page for the AI's. After that, I'll probably have a single profile out in like... a trillion few years or something, idk.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

So I'm kinda planning on reworking the scaling of the Verse to match that of the Half-LIfe (considering it is a HL Mod that has reasons to scale to canon). so I've been making some of the HL calcs into skybox calcs for GMod so that the power doesn't differ too much from the normal-size characters in terms of relative differences.