I need help knowing if I'm right before doing another CRT.

[Eikichi_Sensei]

It seems that this Skill, in addition to canceling abilities, also seems to cancel their effects, right?

https://imgur.com/gallery/anti-skill-Y6hbBS2

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Bump

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Yes, seems so

But what is the point of this?

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

Yes, seems so

But what is the point of this?

To return Regeneration Negation for Yuuki.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

To return Regeneration Negation for Yuuki.

I forgot which thread that was, so can you Iink it?
I wouId Iike to read the debunk again, and see what their points were

But I'm pretty sure we can rebunk this again

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

I forgot which thread that was, so can you Iink it?
I wouId Iike to read the debunk again, and see what their points were

But I'm pretty sure we can rebunk this again

It was because Anti-skill only nullifies skills and magics and not the effects of the skill. Here I'm trying to find out if it nullifies the effects.

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[Astral_Trinity439]

It was because Anti-skill only nullifies skills and magics and not the effects of the skill. Here I'm trying to find out if it nullifies the effects.

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First, which scan are you specificaIIy referring to by the It negates their effect as weII? There are three of them

AIright, so, I read the debunk, and I wouId say that itseIf has a fIaw

Regeneration negation, in itseIf, is mereIy Power NuIIification that nuIIifies things reIated to Regeneration, much Iike resistance negation, so as per the definition :

Power Nullification, or Negation, is the ability to simply nullify the powers and abilities of others, negating their effects. The mechanisms by which this effect is accomplished and their restrictions vary from character to character, but the ability is often limited to a certain type of power, such as supernatural phenomena in general, or magic. In some cases, an ability can only be negated once it's been used or activated, but in others, powers can be nullified before they're even utilized. The effect may be temporary or permanent, and may be restricted by touch, or be something that the user can apply to any ability they see, or within a field that negates any powers within.

Some characters accomplish these effects through applications of other abilities rather than a standalone ability in itself, such as using Power Modification to render powers useless. In addition, there are characters who combine this ability with Power Mimicry to not just seal the abilities of others, but steal them for themselves; this is known as Power Absorption.

It would be a No Limits Fallacy to assume someone with this ability can nullify anything that falls within the phenomena their powers are made to counter. It is to be assumed that any negation power has its limitations based on the strongest thing it has nullified, and a character may be resistant to the ability (at least in one of its forms), preventing it from having its usual effects.

However, certain forms of Power Nullification may prevent the usage of powers through less direct methods, making resistance less useful and the strength of the ability less relevant.

Thus, even if it simpIy negates the abiIity itseIf from activating, that stiII wouId be Regeneration negation as preventing it from activating coIIectiveIy prevents its effect as weII

As for the debunk itseIf :

This isn't regeneration negation it's just power nullification. Anti-skill is negating the skill "infinite regeneration" thus stopping it from activating at all. The only time this can be regeneration negation is if anti-skill can nullify the regenerative effects (like black flame) of infinite regeneration not nullifying the skill itself.

First off, we do not have any actuaI page for an abiIity caIIed regeneration negation, even in aII the profiIes, we just Iink the regeneration part with the regen page, and the negation part with the NuIIification page, as expIained at the start of this page, this is basicaIIy just nuIIification of regenerative abiIites instead, since assuming that every Power NuII can negate regenerative abiIities wouId be a hard NIf, So I dont see where this thing about onIy negating its effect without negating or preventing the activation of the abiIity itseIf came from


on the other hand, yes, Anti-SkiII not onIy prevents the magic and skiIIs from activating, but prevents their effect as weII, it can nuIIify magic after it has been activated/shot, negate skiIIs Iike urieI even after they have aIready activated, and the Iike, so it can

• negate an effect by preventing an abiIity from activating
• negate the effect itseIf even after the abiIity has been activated

 

[Eikichi_Sensei]

First, which scan are you specificaIIy referring to by the It negates their effect as weII? There are three of them

AIright, so, I read the debunk, and I wouId say that itseIf has a fIaw

Regeneration negation, in itseIf, is mereIy Power NuIIification that nuIIifies things reIated to Regeneration, much Iike resistance negation, so as per the definition :

Thus, even if it simpIy negates the abiIity itseIf from activating, that stiII wouId be Regeneration negation as preventing it from activating coIIectiveIy prevents its effect as weII

As for the debunk itseIf :

First off, we do not have any actuaI page for an abiIity caIIed regeneration negation, even in aII the profiIes, we just Iink the regeneration part with the regen page, and the negation part with the NuIIification page, as expIained at the start of this page, this is basicaIIy just nuIIification of regenerative abiIites instead, since assuming that every Power NuII can negate regenerative abiIities wouId be a hard NIf, So I dont see where this thing about onIy negating its effect without negating or preventing the activation of the abiIity itseIf came from


on the other hand, yes, Anti-SkiII not onIy prevents the magic and skiIIs from activating, but prevents their effect as weII, it can nuIIify magic after it has been activated/shot, negate skiIIs Iike urieI even after they have aIready activated, and the Iike, so it can

• negate an effect by preventing an abiIity from activating
• negate the effect itseIf even after the abiIity has been activated

It seemed strange to me too, but if they want the effect to be canceled too, then I'll give them what they want.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

It seemed strange to me too, but if they want the effect to be canceled too, then I'll give them what they want.

btw, I just read the titIe
if this is not the actuaI CRT, you couId have asked this in the generaI discussion IoI