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DCAU Superman Upgrade

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Quick CRT, I don't have a sandbox, overhaul, or whatever, I just happened to notice something while working on an actual big CRT/overhaul/sandbox, and thought it should be tweaked to be more accurate.

DCAU Superman, profile here.
He is 5-C due to this calc.
While at a glance this looks fine and checks out it's actually an extreme low-end, as the bomb went off inside the sun and the shockwave still traveled millions of kilometers, obviously the sun has far harsher atmospheric conditions.
But that blastwave isn't the whole of the feat nor the whole context.



Here are a few relevant clips, the feat, and the aftermath.

Essentially Emerald Empress drained Oa (Green Lantern world) of its energy into a device, and planned to have that device detonate, taking out the sun, killing earth (a place that spawned the concept of super heroes), and changing the future which she originates from to where heroes mostly don't exist.
And she attempts exactly that, the bomb goes off while Supes is basically grasping it, and the Sun's GBE is undone by the alleged 5-C explosion.
This results in Star Boy, who has cosmic and gravity powers to sacrifice himself to essentially pull the sun back together, rebinding its GBE or whatever.
There's more explanations and such but i deleted the movie already so best ya get is those 3 clips, which I feel is sufficient.

As such I propose Superman's 5-C+ be rectified into a baseline 4-C, as the 5-C+ calc is actually a feat of overcoming the GBE of the sun.
And Supes facetanked it as was basically touching it, and was fine besides getting knocked away. Do note this movie has Superman get gored by a HF Blade and features some moderately bloody imagery, yet this didn't even give him a bloody lip.
 
keyboard is fucky, do not bully
 
Seems sensible to me, it literally does over the suns GBE by the statements alone
 
Should Flash upscale from this?
Literally nobody does, this is the most recent iteration of the character, taking place even after JLU. It's why it's a different key I'd presume, nobody's thrown hands with Supes at this point in time without hax. The key most dudes scale to is the tier 7 one.
also why would he upscale, even back in tier 7, supes is the physically strongest
Tbh I prefer this as a possibly higher but I’m not familiar with the DCAU scaling
Should reiterate, this isn't a CRT for getting a feat accepted. It's merely going "btw, the 5-C+ feat we already accept is actually baseline 4-C".


As for scaling, nobody but Supes scales, to give an example of how utterly ****** scaling is for anyone but Supes.
This feat is done by draining the entire Green Lantern's planet's energy and then stuffing it into what is essentially a bomb. This feat may as well be the equivalent of every Lantern combined and then some. And Green Lanterns are otherwise top tier for DCAU.
 
Literally nobody does, this is the most recent iteration of the character, taking place even after JLU. It's why it's a different key I'd presume, nobody's thrown hands with Supes at this point in time without hax. The key most dudes scale to is the tier 7 one.
also why would he upscale, even back in tier 7, supes is the physically strongest

Should reiterate, this isn't a CRT for getting a feat accepted. It's merely going "btw, the 5-C+ feat we already accept is actually baseline 4-C".


As for scaling, nobody but Supes scales, to give an example of how utterly ****** scaling is for anyone but Supes.
This feat is done by draining the entire Green Lantern's planet's energy and then stuffing it into what is essentially a bomb. This feat may as well be the equivalent of every Lantern combined and then some. And Green Lanterns are otherwise top tier for DCAU.
why do we just assuming superman became quadrillion times faster
just the fact that it happened a bit later means nothing
 
why do we just assuming superman became quadrillion times faster
just the fact that it happened a bit later means nothing
Who's talking about speed?
Also because he gets stronger and faster 🗿
 
As for scaling, nobody but Supes scales, to give an example of how utterly ****** scaling is for anyone but Supes.
The New JLU Comics may say otherwise, though its been a while since I read them because I've all but given up being one of the few scrounging around for DCAU revisions, of which there are a massive number of them that need to be done.

Also I wish there was a way for the forum to allow you watch/follow tags.
 
The New JLU Comics may say otherwise, though its been a while since I read them because I've all but given up being one of the few scrounging around for DCAU revisions, of which there are a massive number of them that need to be done.

Also I wish there was a way for the forum to allow you watch/follow tags.
If a brand new comic that takes place somewhere after this movie says otherwise neat, but that doesn't affect the CRT.
I'm systematically gathering every Batman and Batman-affiliated DCAU feat so there's that you can expect in the year 2029
Did it say so
Or do we just assume he became stronger for no reason
A few times in STAS iirc, Supergirl, and Galatea too. He just gets stronger as time goes on. This being the most recent animated film chronologically besides Beyond shit, of which nobody's actively done anything to scale within this film, shoots down any scaling.

Again, he effectively face-tanked the combined might of every Green Lantern at the same time and then some, anybody on par with a Green Lantern or below has zero reason to ever scale, which is basically everyone else.
 
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If a brand new comic that takes place somewhere after this movie says otherwise neat, but that doesn't affect the CRT.
I'm systematically gathering every Batman and Batman-affiliated DCAU feat so there's that you can expect in the year 2029

A few times in STAS iirc, Supergirl, and Galatea too. He just gets stronger as time goes on. This being the most recent animated film chronologically besides Beyond shit, of which nobody's actively done anything to scale within this film, shoots down any scaling.

Again, he effectively face-tanked the combined might of every Green Lantern at the same time and then some, anybody on par with a Green Lantern or below has zero reason to ever scale, which is basically everyone else.
didn't the recent comic come out after this
The one where amazo did funny multiversal shit
 
didn't the recent comic come out after this
The one where amazo did funny multiversal shit
Idk, but like, I would not be shocked if DCAU Amazo scales to this. I would not be shocked if scales to this times one fucktillion. Br is quite literally built different.
But that isn't the topic of this CRT and it aint batman so fuckm
 
Comic Supes would almost certainly consider Fatal Five canon regardless.
Need to look at who he fights or interacts with there to see if there's either any problems or anyone else that would scale to this.
Golden Boy A.M.A.Z.O. is entirely irrelevant to this regardless.
 
Comic Supes would almost certainly consider Fatal Five canon regardless.
Need to look at who he fights or interacts with there to see if there's either any problems or anyone else that would scale to this.
Golden Boy A.M.A.Z.O. is entirely irrelevant to this regardless.
Perhaps, but that ain't exactly the point of the CRT, we already accept the feat, I'm just here to point ou the issue in value.

Scaling fuckery would be an issue whether it's 4-C or 5-C 🤷‍♂️
 
why do we just assuming superman became quadrillion times faster
just the fact that it happened a bit later means nothing
Because no one accepted that Superman could've just gotten a solar amp when the upgrade originally happened and they also didn't want to call the feat an outlier. So it's assumed that Superman somhow got quadrillions of times stronger and significantly faster for this movie and then was nerfed back to his standard DCAU strength by Batman Beyond.
 
Because no one accepted that Superman could've just gotten a solar amp when the upgrade originally happened and they also didn't want to call the feat an outlier. So it's assumed that Superman somhow got quadrillions of times stronger and significantly faster for this movie and then was nerfed back to his standard DCAU strength by Batman Beyond.
We never really saw STARRO push Supes to be fair, he wanted to assimilate Earths population and set the stage for that more than anything.
Even when Supes breaks out of it, he's still as peace prone as ever.

Only time we see Superman in the Beyond Era btw. Beyond Era comics are vehemently not canon.
 
He's like 70 in Batman Beyond tbf, he shouldn't even scale to STAS or JLU version of himself tbh, just off his own feats in that, or whatever hype puts him above the next best dude.

And bro's been solar amped before, a quadrillion times over his base, especially given he was only near the sun for a total of like 10 seconds, I legit don't think it'd play a role at all given how little time he had to juice up.

And for it to be an outlier, there'd need to be a contradiction, him being stronger than his past self ain't it because he actually could have got a quadrillion times stronger idk why you say faster though, they have FTL feats in JL including statements and even as far back as BTAS.
Like yeah it seems dumb, but he do get stronger over time, and this is the most recent iteration besides the Infinity comics (I think? Not sure when they take place).

Regardless, this is not the thread to complain about scaling, quite frankly I don't care it's because he ain't batman, I am merely pointing out that the 5-C+ feat is actually a baseline 4-C feat, 5-C+ simply does not exist, as long as that's a key, it should be rectified into 4-C.
 
Because no one accepted that Superman could've just gotten a solar amp when the upgrade originally happened and they also didn't want to call the feat an outlier. So it's assumed that Superman somhow got quadrillions of times stronger and significantly faster for this movie and then was nerfed back to his standard DCAU strength by Batman Beyond.
outlier?
There are actually quite a few planetary feats in DCAU maybe we gotta compile them
But that's derailing yeah
 
To speak on Justice League Infinity's perspective I guess, an alternate universe Nazi Superman flies right through 5-B A.M.A.Z.O though Gold boy was sufficiently distracted by the Anti Life Equation at the time.

All of the Supermen that appear in the comic appear to be relative power wise.

Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, and somehow Vixen all manage to either injure or in GL's case incapacitate Nazi Superman at one point. Yeah ignore Vixen henceforth.
 
I actually tried to argue this back in my old DCAU Superman thread (Honestly, that still needs to be revisited; I brought up a new feat that seems to be significantly higher than the asteroid he deflected. But that's for another time.) but it had been a while since I'd seen the movie, so I wasn't able to bring up any coherent arguments.
Anyways, hard agree on this.
 
I actually tried to argue this back in my old DCAU Superman thread (Honestly, that still needs to be revisited; I brought up a new feat that seems to be significantly higher than the asteroid he deflected. But that's for another time.) but it had been a while since I'd seen the movie, so I wasn't able to bring up any coherent arguments.
Anyways, hard agree on this.

Supes also has a good range upgrade in this movie where he shoots Mr. T's bombs at ground-level, while they're in low orbit with heat vision, I forgot to make it part of OP.
though movie has a class M anti-feat cap too so it evens out tbh
 
On that note, There's still the matter of Galatea being able to lift this.



Happens right at the end of the episode "Flashpoint".
 
On that note, There's still the matter of Galatea being able to lift this.



Happens right at the end of the episode "Flashpoint".
Class K (680t, though she only used one hand iirc so realistically Class M) oddly consistent with Supes putting in effort to lift a skyscraper in the movie
Though I don't exactly have an encyclopedic knowledge of STAS so I'm unsure if him capping at Class M is actually consistent, for all I know he has like 40 feats that eclipse that (I know he has the meteor shit at least) though that's for another thread.
 
Class K (680t, though she only used one hand iirc so realistically Class M) oddly consistent with Supes putting in effort to lift a skyscraper in the movie
Though I don't exactly have an encyclopedic knowledge of STAS so I'm unsure if him capping at Class M is actually consistent, for all I know he has like 40 feats that eclipse that (I know he has the meteor shit at least) though that's for another thread.
DCAU Superman is so weird; as is the verse in general. I was re-watching JL, and like, episode 5 or something, Superman gets knocked out from a few small bombs unleashed by the Atlanteans, and Episode 9 (this is not Hyperbole btw), Hawkgirl deflects a PLANET DESTROYING laser with her mace; casually, I might add.
 
DCAU has the most consistently dumb as shit LS for Batman so there's that.
he also has like 15 rel+ to FTL feats, kinda ****** up ngl
 
DCAU Superman is so weird; as is the verse in general. I was re-watching JL, and like, episode 5 or something, Superman gets knocked out from a few small bombs unleashed by the Atlanteans, and Episode 9 (this is not Hyperbole btw), Hawkgirl deflects a PLANET DESTROYING laser with her mace; casually, I might add.
JL season 1 is the shittiest part of the DCAU outside of DC's attempts to say Earth 12 and the DCAU are the same (They are not.).
 
Ok, anyways, sorry for getting off-track; if you guys wanna talk about stuff like LS, I will redirect you all to my (sort-of necroish) Superman thread (I might just make a Part 2 ngl.)
How many staff agreements/disagreements do we need to reach a proper conclusion here?
 
We have enough, just gotta wait 48h now, or like, 47 ig.
 
Well then I'm making the decision of giving an extra 48 hours for any potential rebuttals.
 
I think. Someone ping Dale to add it.


And then someone make a different CRT to upgrade range.
 
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