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Wiki Page Deletion Requests Thread (New forum)

I don't intend to really debate all of this since much of the content of this particular verse seems to be uncontested- the question is not whether this shit is in the verse, it is whether it is fine to have on the wiki. My ass votes no, I am in favor of deletion.
 
azontr said:
Okay I'm gonna cut you off right here DT, but with all due respect, what the heck are you talking about?

Are you genuinely, with a straight face rn comparing a woman getting pregnant and having children (literally not even remotely the main focus of Oshi no Ko, it's not brought up constantly as something sexual or devious) to a woman being transported into a world where misogyny and **** is considered normal, and having to be raped to gain abilities is her main power set? Are you joking with me right now?

Please stop.
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Now that coincidental cause I got misogynist scan and there's plenty more in the story where it's brought up.
 
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Not sure about Haru but Redo Of Healer is absolutely not some pornographic hentai verse.

A story have sexual elements does not make it straight up pornography.

Redo Of Healer does have its own revenge-plot storyline that it follows, regardless of it's graphic content...

The character can also be debated without mentioning sexual content, as most of the fights in the series are just normal magic fights.
 
Ikelaggan said:
Are you sure about that, cause you can't really call the sex portions a outlier you can just strip out since her main power pregnancy creation requires *********** and has a scene where's she's pretty adamant to make a guy finish.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure about that, because I never said it doesn't feature sex, I said it doesn't focus on it.

Like, the first scans are from a chapter about how a weird customer wants her to play the guitar. She actually knows how to do that a little, so she picks up a bone to use as a pick and starts playing, while thinking back on her school days. The result is a new kind of music which is unknown to that world. Then the comedic scene you linked follows and afterwards the bard basically gets famous using that technique (of course without giving Haru credit). The sexual part is really an afterthought here. Like, look at the scans and tell me those seem sexually gratifying to you?

The main "pregnancy power" is never mentioned in the act. The novel establishes it as "oh, I kinda got all the abilities during that time" afterwards. It could have been "I get the ability of anyone I touch" and it would have been the same effect. It has no focus on this being the specific way the abilities were acquired.

And to be clear, since you seem to take it out of context, the comedic scene where she wants a guy to finish inside, is because she only gets paid if the customer does that. Otherwise he could leave without paying. (contraceptives are used, in case anyone wonders)
 
Ant did not explicitly reject it. It seems that there is a perception that the idea has already been rejected,
but if Ant had a dislike for it, the profile would have been removed a year ago.
 
ImmortalDread said:
Ant did not explicitly reject it. It seems that there is a perception that the idea has already been rejected,
but if Ant had a dislike for it, the profile would have been removed a year ago.
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Nobody said that, just that Ant would probably be opposed to the verse so we should call him here.

But anyways, I can't honestly take DT seriously when we've seen 5 pages dedicated to making a guy cum and he still goes "it's not about the sex, actually". Not even the shit we barely allow dwells that long on a single sex scene relative to the rest of the series.
 
There is no need to contact him once again. If Ant had intended to delete it, he would have done so a year ago. None of these arguments are new or unfamiliar.
 
DaReaperMan said:
I mean I did contact him to ask him to contact DT lol
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(Dereck already notified him, hence he came here from Dereck's notification)

Indeed, as previously mentioned, there are scarcely any new arguments and no new standards to consider. Therefore, what could possibly prompt a change in his opinion? Nothing. I fail to see any meaningful reason to trouble him once more.
 
DontTalkDT said:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure about that, because I never said it doesn't feature sex, I said it doesn't focus on it.

Like, the first scans are from a chapter about how a weird customer wants her to play the guitar. She actually knows how to do that a little, so she picks up a bone to use as a pick and starts playing, while thinking back on her school days. The result is a new kind of music which is unknown to that world. Then the comedic scene you linked follows and afterwards the bard basically gets famous using that technique (of course without giving Haru credit). The sexual part is really an afterthought here. Like, look at the scans and tell me those seem sexually gratifying to you?
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The customer is only there because she is a prostitute. The customer would not be forcing her to learn guitar (along with forcing himself on her) if this was not the case. You can't just use whataboutism and say nothing would change when those aren't what happens and that isn't the story. The story and everything in it involves her being a prostitute and actions she took while she was one that led to future events. The story doesn't exist if this does not occur and would be drastically changed. The sexual part (she is a prostitute) is always the main reason why anything happens and why the people around her are affected.
DontTalkDT said:
The main "pregnancy power" is never mentioned in the act. The novel establishes it as "oh, I kinda got all the abilities during that time" afterwards. It could have been "I get the ability of anyone I touch" and it would have been the same effect. It has no focus on this being the specific way the abilities were acquired.

And to be clear, since you seem to take it out of context, the comedic scene where she wants a guy to finish inside, is because she only gets paid if the customer does that. Otherwise he could leave without paying. (contraceptives are used, in case anyone wonders)
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But it doesn't. Stop using whataboutisms to make it seem better. Her power is not "I get the abilities of anyone I touch", it is "because I'm a prostitute and the story revolved around that fundamental narrative beat, the author worked it in via pregnancy power". She wouldn't have that power or known she had that if she was not a prostitute and wasn't constantly one.
 
Honestly, if people are posting scans then I will do so, too.

Here are three consecutive chapters of the manga. Read them and tell me if you think this looks like pornography.
 
DontTalkDT said:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure about that, because I never said it doesn't feature sex, I said it doesn't focus on it.

Like, the first scans are from a chapter about how a weird customer wants her to play the guitar. She actually knows how to do that a little, so she picks up a bone to use as a pick and starts playing, while thinking back on her school days. The result is a new kind of music which is unknown to that world. Then the comedic scene you linked follows and afterwards the bard basically gets famous using that technique (of course without giving Haru credit). The sexual part is really an afterthought here. Like, look at the scans and tell me those seem sexually gratifying to you?
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Bruh, I don't if the guy isn't getting his rocks off it's still explicit and inappropriate like interspecies reviewers. The sex being a afterthought doesn't suddenly make the sexually explicit scene go away.
DontTalkDT said:
The main "pregnancy power" is never mentioned in the act. The novel establishes it as "oh, I kinda got all the abilities during that time" afterwards. It could have been "I get the ability of anyone I touch" and it would have been the same effect. It has no focus on this being the specific way the abilities were acquired.
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Then why isn't pregnancy creation not just a touch based ability on the profile instead of a *********** requirement. That's not even good goal post shift towards what's referenced.
DontTalkDT said:
And to be clear, since you seem to take it out of context, the comedic scene where she wants a guy to finish inside, is because she only gets paid if the customer does that. Otherwise he could leave without paying. (contraceptives are used, in case anyone wonders)
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Then does she just get her powers from just only getting raped then, cause you bring up "she uses contraceptives" contradicts you quoting "I get the ability from anyone I touch" goal post shifting which didn't make the scene less story relevant at all.
 
Also, i agree with the profile deletion, i've read the manga (though i droped it, too much eroticism for my shounen ass to handle) and even though there's really a story and actual plot, the main thing is that the focus is actual sex, of course, the author breaks it down and makes it an enjoyable thing to read, but that doesn't change the fact that the plot is about sex, it's not ****, but it doesn't meet our standards either.
 
azontr said:
3 chapters of the manga are literally irrelevant to the whole of the issue, as 3 chapters aren't the entirety of the story.
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Yeah, but what else can I do? Post the entire series? I already offered to state the content of each chapter, but nobody wanted to hear that apparently.

I'm fairly sure I'm the only one who has actually read the entire thing (both volumes of the novel) in this debate, so if we go by "evaluation should be made by those who know the entire content" then you have to rely on mine.
 
Whatever is agreed on here can we make a note about it somewhere for the future?
This is the second time we are arguing over this, so we should make sure we're not going to a third
 
DontTalkDT said:
Honestly, if people are posting scans then I will do so, too.

Here are three consecutive chapters of the manga. Read them and tell me if you think this looks like pornography.
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There is an image of her sucking a man for two whole pages along with her taking a shower and numerous references to her body and how she's a prostitute. ....what is your point
 
InfiniteDay said:
There is an image of her sucking a man for two whole pages along with her taking a shower and numerous references to her body and how she's a prostitute. ....what is your point
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Are we banning ecchi verses as a whole now?
Or anything that tackles topics of sexuality?
Idc either way, doesn't effect anything I care for, but I'm not sure if you support the precedence this sets
 
azontr said:
Okay I'm gonna cut you off right here DT, but with all due respect, what the heck are you talking about?

Are you genuinely, with a straight face rn comparing a woman getting pregnant and having children (literally not even remotely the main focus of Oshi no Ko, it's not brought up constantly as something sexual or devious) to a woman being transported into a world where misogyny and **** is considered normal, and having to be raped to gain abilities is her main power set? Are you joking with me right now?

Please stop.
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Misogyny is normal as it is in the middle ages. That isn't even against our rules in any way, especially since the novel makes it clear that it's wrong.
And **** isn't normal. If you think that, then you have once again fallen into the trap of out-of-context content.

azontr said:
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Helpful.
 
Ya, I have read them all, and out of 100+ images, and there are only 3 images where discourse is being involved (and even then, it's censored).
I don't see how any of the chapters were focusing as many people have claimed. DT has a point here.
 
DontTalkDT said:
Misogyny is normal as it is in the middle ages. That isn't even against our rules in any way, especially since the novel makes it clear that it's wrong.
And **** isn't normal. If you think that, then you have once again fallen into the trap of out-of-context content.
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"Misogyny is normal"

I need to put my phone down.
 
It was a common occurrence during the Middle Ages. Why are you attempting to overlook this fact, azontr? It is undeniable that women had limited or no rights during that time. This is an established historical reality.

DT is not asserting that it is considered normal in present times, nor has he ever made such a claim.
 
azontr said:
"Misogyny is normal"

I need to put my phone down.
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Bro, you really love taking things out of context. Read the whole damn sentence. Tell me that misogyny wasn't the state of things in the real world middle ages. You really think in the middle ages in reality we had gender equality? I'm not saying it's normal today, I'm making a god damn historical comment, for the reason that this is playing in a medieval world.
 
DontTalkDT said:
Misogyny is normal as it is in the middle ages. That isn't even against our rules in any way, especially since the novel makes it clear that it's wrong.
And **** isn't normal. If you think that, then you have once again fallen into the trap of out-of-context content.
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This whole point is factually true about **** and misogyny not being normal, but it's still not appropriate since her classification is still listed as a sex worker. "Haru takes on the only work available to her and becomes a sex worker."
what part of her main job is having sex is out of context.
 
KingNanaya said:
I know I have no real say in this, but shouldn't this be discussed more somewhere else? because people have profiles to delete.
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We had made a decision on this already. This should not be debated at all.
Ikelaggan said:
This whole point is factually true about **** and misogyny not being normal, but it's still not appropriate since her classification is still listed as a sex worker. "Haru takes on the only work available to her and becomes a sex worker."
what part of her main job is having sex is out of context.
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None, but that doesn't mean the story focuses on that. For comparison: Consider a story about a soldier, but only 2% of the story is war. Then it would be wrong to say that "the main focus of the story is war" despite that being the soldiers job. Same here. Yeah, the protagonist is a prostitute and we read about her doing her job on occasion (in non-erotic ways), but that's the minority of content. So you can't say it has "high sexual content as the main focus of the material". (or compare with Goblin Slayer, where the main antagonists are known for ****, but we only see it once or twice)

Again, I posted 3 chapters above. Read them and tell me if you have the impression that this is a story that is mostly playing in the bedroom or revolving around doing that. As a reminder, the criteria for the Type 4 rating is "The majority of the media content is sexual for verses that fall under this rating."
 
I'll leave this last point before this discussion gets moved to a different thread since it's very much dragging and holding up other profile deletions. There's a point in haru's story where she does cuts her hair off cause of how many people tugged on her hair during Dirty Deeds done dirt Cheap. So saying the sex isn't story relevant progression wise is dishonest to what even the story is trying to tell you as a message.
 
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Ikelaggan said:
I'll leave this last point before this discussion gets moved to a different thread since it's very much dragging and holding up other profile deletions. There's a point in haru's story where she does cuts her hair off cause of how many people tugged on her hair during Dirty Deeds done dirt Cheap. So saying the sex isn't story relevant progression wise is dishonest to what even the story is trying to tell you as a message.
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Again, that's half a page of content. There is not more to this in the story than what you posted. And it's from the very beginning at that, which is more about her situation. Not relevant on the large scale.

Also, we're talking about the justification for a haircut here.
 
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KingNanaya said:
then, do you think that it should be made a discussion rule? not just for this verse, but for other similar verses as well? just so we don't have to clutter this thread as much if the topic comes up again.
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What exactly should the rule say that we have not already listed? We have made a content scale last time. That gives an outline of our standard, being that the main focus and majority of content should be sexual for it to be banned.

Honestly, this whole debate stems from people who have not read the whole series, trying to convince other people who have not read the series that it's mostly erotic. Which is kinda silly, as neither is qualified to judge on the majority of the content on grounds of not knowing it.
 
DontTalkDT said:
What exactly should the rule say that we have not already listed? We have made a content scale last time. That gives an outline of our standard, being that the main focus and majority of content should be sexual for it to be banned.
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to be honest, I didn't know that even existed. It could probably be something like "Verses Like 'Redo of Healer' and 'JK Haru is a Sex Worker have had extensive debates on where they land on our Acceptable Content Rating Scale, and further discussion of this topic is not allowed" or something like that. I'm not exactly the best rule writer. it could probably list other verses, but I feel like it could get the point across
 
azontr said:
Why are you pinging me I wasn't even looking at this thread.

Leave me alone.
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Don't be an asshole, don't get warnings, simple as. Behave if you want to engage in discussion.

@DontTalkDT Could you link me to where specifically this was discussed prior? I have no memory of this specific verse being brought up, and if it was a close call, it may bear repeating.
 
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