Archie vs Maxie (USUM)

[Valiant_Abyss]

I don't even know if this match is allowed but lets go for it.

Archie vs Maxie

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Sailor:

Nerd:

Zinnia calls upon the floating green snake: 1

 

[koopa3144]

so, their teams are

Archie: Mightyena, Crobat, Muk, Sharpedo, Kyogre.

Maxie: Mightyena, Crobat, Weezing, Camerupt, Groudon.

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Bump

 

[SlendVeny]

Mightyena are tied, Crobat are tied, Weezing's tankier and haxier, Sharpedo beats Weezing, but is somewhat damaged, barely beats Camerupt, loses to Groudon, loses to Kyogre.

I vote Archie.

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Aren't canonically Groudon and Kyogre supposed to be equal?

Mightyena are tied, Crobat are tied, Weezing's tankier and haxier, Sharpedo beats Weezing, but is somewhat damaged, barely beats Camerupt, loses to Groudon, loses to Kyogre.

I vote Archie.

The battle kinda uses game mechanics (which yes Pokémon is a game, but in all other media Pokémon battles are not turn based)

Oh, and canonically, when Groudon and Kyogre fight, their abilities don't cancel each other, but rather create a sort of fused weather that mixes sun and rain

So all around, Kyogre and Groudon should be equal to each other, meaning they cancel each other out, with the rest of Maxie and Archie's team also being equal

This is probably inconclusive

 

[SlendVeny]

Aren't canonically Groudon and Kyogre supposed to be equal?

The battle kinda uses game mechanics (which yes Pokémon is a game, but in all other media Pokémon battles are not turn based)

Oh, and canonically, when Groudon and Kyogre fight, their abilities don't cancel each other, but rather create a sort of fused weather that mixes sun and rain

So all around, Kyogre and Groudon should be equal to each other, meaning they cancel each other out, with the rest of Maxie and Archie's team also being equal

This is probably inconclusive

OOF

 

[Mickey1940]

Aren't canonically Groudon and Kyogre supposed to be equal?

The battle kinda uses game mechanics (which yes Pokémon is a game, but in all other media Pokémon battles are not turn based)

Oh, and canonically, when Groudon and Kyogre fight, their abilities don't cancel each other, but rather create a sort of fused weather that mixes sun and rain

So all around, Kyogre and Groudon should be equal to each other, meaning they cancel each other out, with the rest of Maxie and Archie's team also being equal

This is probably inconclusive

The wiki uses game mechanics to argue pokemon regardless

Considering how Groudon and Kyogre are pretty much the only relevant entities in this match

both can go primal

Groudon only has a ground weakness that Kyogre can't contest
while it can spam Slarbeam right back

pretty sure Groudon wins


Without game mechanics then it's inconclusive

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

The wiki uses game mechanics to argue pokemon regardless

For some parts yeah, but if only game mechanics counts we'd have ridiculous stuff like 2-A Rattata because it can use FEAR to ko it or whatever. I'm pretty sure Game mechanics are mostly just for stat boosts from moves and such that they have like speed and AP increases I think

Considering how Groudon and Kyogre are pretty much the only relevant entities in this match

both can go primal

Groudon only has a ground weakness that Kyogre can't contest
while it can spam Slarbeam right back

pretty sure Groudon wins


Without game mechanics then it's inconclusive

The thing is that with Pokemon canonically showing Groudon and Kyogre being able to activate their abilities at the same time (in Emerald, but also seen in the anime, and probably manga too), Groudon and Kyogre probably just stalemate each other like how it was with them since forever. Archie and Maxie should probably be around equally as skilled too given Archie is from Pokemon Sapphire while Maxie is from Ruby

 

[Mickey1940]

For some parts yeah, but if only game mechanics counts we'd have ridiculous stuff like 2-A Rattata because it can use FEAR to ko it or whatever. I'm pretty sure Game mechanics are mostly just for stat boosts from moves and such that they have like speed and AP increases I think

The thing is that with Pokemon canonically showing Groudon and Kyogre being able to activate their abilities at the same time (in Emerald, but also seen in the anime, and probably manga too), Groudon and Kyogre probably just stalemate each other like how it was with them since forever. Archie and Maxie should probably be around equally as skilled too given Archie is from Pokemon Sapphire while Maxie is from Ruby

1. That's exactly why you should FEAR Rattata
2. i mean yeah I agreed with you but there's 2 perspectives here. One if you use only lore, and 1 if you use game mechanics to a certain degree. They tie in scenario 1, but Groudon wins scenario 2

 

[SlendVeny]

Have we considered that the pokemon should all upscale from Ultra Necrozma when used by these guys?

 

[Mickey1940]

Have we considered that the pokemon should all upscale from Ultra Necrozma when used by these guys?

they don't scale to Ultra Necrozma

they scale to Dialga and Palkia's avatars

 

[SlendVeny]

they don't scale to Ultra Necrozma

they scale to Dialga and Palkia's avatars

Even better????

 

[Mickey1940]

Even better????

yus

on their profiles they're both 2B-2A

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Regardless of tiers Groudon and Kyogre are still relative to each other and basically tie like they always do

 

[Valiant_Abyss]

Any votes so far? Did you vote incon Gilad?

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Any votes so far? Did you vote incon Gilad?

Yeah I vote incon. Canonically Groudon and Kyogre both tie and Archie and Maxie should be equally as skilled