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Fate characters: Outerversal or not

LeOuterCore

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Many people on the internet claim that Saber, Gilgamesh, Archer Emiya, Tamamo, BB, and others are Outerversal. I have tried to understand why they think that but haven't reached a conclusion yet. Can someone explain to me in plain English why some seem to think that? Thanks in advance
 
They are not "Outversal"...

I suppose you are new here..

They are tier 1, sure...like Low 1-C, 1-C

Which means (Low Complex multiversal, Complex multiversal)

The "Outversal" scaling starts from Low 1-A (Low Outversal) upwards ,(1-A, High 1-A)= Outversal, High Outversal respectively)....

And after High 1-A, we have the tier "0" scaling, named "Boundless"...


The only Outversal character in Fate series, is "Swirl of the root", from where Shiki gathers some of her powers.

I hope this helps.
 
God900 said:
They are not "Outversal"...

I suppose you are new here..

They are tier 1, sure...like Low 1-C, 1-C

Which means (Low Complex multiversal, Complex multiversal)

The "Outversal" scaling starts from Low 1-A (Low Outversal) upwards ,(1-A, High 1-A)= Outversal, High Outversal respectively)....

And after High 1-A, we have the tier "0" scaling, named "Boundless"...


The only Outversal character in Fate series, is "Swirl of the root", from where Shiki gathers some of her powers.

I hope this helps.
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He's asking why some supporters think they are Outerversal, and based off what evidence.
 
Quantu said:
He's asking why some supporters think they are Outerversal, and based off what evidence.
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The majority of characters in Nasuverse un terms of scaling don't even come close to the name "Outversal" IMAO

As a Nasu fan that it's been 3 years in this forum, I have never seen any other reasonable Nasu supporter say they are Outversal....obv except Swirl of the root and Shiki, no one else scales to that rating..
 
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Ubdon said:
probably because of seth
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Yeah, Seth for example, or countless TikTok scalers scale them to Outerversal and absolutely omnipotent and above everything in fiction. But I don't see why that should be true. That's why I thought I'd ask
 
Anyways, these types of threads tend to go off rail and inflammatory remarks towards other communities are inevitable.
 
LeOuterCore said:
I mean I didn't see it as a reliable source anyways, but it was kinda starting to annoy me lmao
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You know, there is nothing good coming from a place full of influencers.......

An influencer can say Saitama is 1-A and many people will believe it 🗿🗿
 
LeOuterCore said:
Many people on the internet claim that Saber, Gilgamesh, Archer Emiya, Tamamo, BB, and others are Outerversal. I have tried to understand why they think that but haven't reached a conclusion yet. Can someone explain to me in plain English why some seem to think that? Thanks in advance
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Because they have anything above space-time as outerversal, like CSAP does
 
LeOuterCore said:
Many people on the internet claim that Saber, Gilgamesh, Archer Emiya, Tamamo, BB, and others are Outerversal. I have tried to understand why they think that but haven't reached a conclusion yet. Can someone explain to me in plain English why some seem to think that? Thanks in advance
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Because we human beings have different perspectives in many aspects of this life.
 
I respectfully disagree with the assertion that the CSAP tiering system is inherently flawed. It is important to note that the VSBW and CSAP tiering systems are based on different principles; while the VSBW system prioritizes accuracy and logical consistency, the CSAP system emphasizes the freedom of scaling. Therefore, it is not accurate to claim that the CSAP system is wrong simply because it does not allow for the same level of scaling freedom as the VSBW system.

Also, it is worth noting that the CSAP system's FAQ is not as formally or precisely described as it could be. However, this does not necessarily mean that the system is flawed; rather, it may be a result of the fact that different individuals have different perspectives and understandings of various concepts. Ultimately, it is the diversity of human perspectives that allows for the existence of multiple tiering systems with different principles.
 
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isnt the whole point of csap to be more free, how is their tiering system stricter, i though using it made it way easier to get people way higher
 
ImmortalDread said:
I respectfully disagree with the assertion that the CSAP tiering system is inherently flawed. It is important to note that the VSBW and CSAP tiering systems are based on different principles; while the CSAP system prioritizes accuracy and logical consistency, the VSBW system emphasizes the freedom of scaling. Therefore, it is not accurate to claim that the CSAP system is wrong simply because it does not allow for the same level of scaling freedom as the VSBW system.
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Did you swap the two names?
 
ImmortalDread said:
I respectfully disagree with the assertion that the CSAP tiering system is inherently flawed. It is important to note that the VSBW and CSAP tiering systems are based on different principles; while the VSBW system prioritizes accuracy and logical consistency, the CSAP system emphasizes the freedom of scaling. Therefore, it is not accurate to claim that the CSAP system is wrong simply because it does not allow for the same level of scaling freedom as the VSBW system.

Additionally, it is worth noting that the CSAP system's FAQ is not as formally or precisely described as it could be. However, this does not necessarily mean that the system is flawed; rather, it may be a result of the fact that different individuals have different perspectives and understandings of various concepts. Ultimately, it is the diversity of human perspectives that allows for the existence of multiple tiering systems with different principles.
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I understand your point....

But for example, if someone says Goku is only brick level, would you just say that it's only their opinion, and that they aren't wrong??
 
God900 said:
Seriously, who in their right mind takes TikTok as a reliable scaling source? 🗿
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a shit ton of people, unironically

LeOuterCore said:
Many people on the internet claim that Saber, Gilgamesh, Archer Emiya, Tamamo, BB, and others are Outerversal. I have tried to understand why they think that but haven't reached a conclusion yet. Can someone explain to me in plain English why some seem to think that? Thanks in advance
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arguments include far side of the moon, true emptiness & binary oppositions and interview that ppl use to argue servants > void
theyre all wrong but there are a ton more that people use lol. ive even seen 1-a heroic spirits
 
God900 said:
I understand your point....

But for example, if someone says Goku is only brick level, would you just say that it's only their opinion, and that they aren't wrong??
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Some people say Goku has wall level durability, and they have scans/evidence and formed arguments for it.

Generally speaking, it is important to recognize that different people may have different opinions and interpretations of things, and that these opinions may not necessarily be wrong. However, it is also critical to consider the evidence and reasoning that supports these opinions, and to be open to the possibility that they may be revised or updated based on new information or perspectives.
 
ImmortalDread said:
Some people say Goku has wall level durability, and they have scans/evidence and formed arguments for it.

Generally speaking, it is important to recognize that different people may have different opinions and interpretations of things, and that these opinions may not necessarily be wrong. However, it is also critical to consider the evidence and reasoning that supports these opinions, and to be open to the possibility that they may be revised or updated based on new information or perspectives.
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Basically yeah, you are right...

However, sometimes we can't take this too far...

Ie someone says that a human in real Life can destroy a Universe with punches, would you just say they aren't wrong???

See, while your argument is almost right, there is some issues, as where solid evidence/ like proofs of Science, etc... overshadow the beliefs of someone.

About more than 800 years ago, people thought the Earth was plane, do you think those people are "right in their own way"? Of course not.....,I get everyone has their own unique opinions, but sometimes there is concrete evidence to dismish them
 
Artorimachi_Meteoraft said:
Let me guess it can affect inorganic beings too like robots
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"Unified Language: The primeval language of humanity, and the only one of its time. Before God divided humanity after the incident at the tower of Babel, humanity spoke a single language, which was directly connected to The Root. Those who speak this language do not speak to man or beast, but to the soul and very foundation of a person, their Origin. The very statements of their words become Truth; Anyone who hears the words are forced to obey, as to deny their words is to deny the very structure of reality, and to reject one's own existence. It is the ultimate form of hypnotism. His commands have even been shown to take effect before he finishes saying them, or says them at all. His words resonate with Akasha, The Spiral or Origin itself, and can have it channel his will. He can draw on information from the Akashic Record pertaining to a person subconsciously, granting him the ability to regain information that has been completely lost or forgotten."

Idk
 
Ubdon said:
"Unified Language: The primeval language of humanity, and the only one of its time. Before God divided humanity after the incident at the tower of Babel, humanity spoke a single language, which was directly connected to The Root. Those who speak this language do not speak to man or beast, but to the soul and very foundation of a person, their Origin. The very statements of their words become Truth; Anyone who hears the words are forced to obey, as to deny their words is to deny the very structure of reality, and to reject one's own existence. It is the ultimate form of hypnotism. His commands have even been shown to take effect before he finishes saying them, or says them at all. His words resonate with Akasha, The Spiral or Origin itself, and can have it channel his will. He can draw on information from the Akashic Record pertaining to a person subconsciously, granting him the ability to regain information that has been completely lost or forgotten."

Idk
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Would yogiri yeet him too?
 
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