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AE type 1/Type 2 Issues in Slime

Dread said:
The Demons of Slime Verse are still in need of physical bodies and are bound to their physical vessel in order to manifest and interact with the world.

And the Demons can’t affect nor enter the physical world without a body, hence why Rimuru needed to create bodies for all the demons that came to Tempest

So while they are indeed abstract entities due to be Conceptual existences, if you de-body them they pretty much can’t do anything at that point

It seems that the demons in this context are AE1 entities because they are conceptual abstract entities and do not have a physical form by themselves. However, they are able to manifest into the physical world and interact with it through a physical vessel or body. This means that when they have a body, they can be considered AE2 entities as they are reliant on the Spirit of Darkness.

Their souls, which are tied to their core essence, can also be considered a limited form of AE1.

Overall, it seems that the demons can be considered AE1 entities when they do not have a physical vessel and AE2 entities when they do have a physical vessel

Questions and Answers​

I will write down all questions has been asked in this thread
  • Who will get influenced in this thread?
All demons, including Rimuru.
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I agree with everything, it's very good, but you could put a scan to see, lol
 
Bump, I assume, @Starfeldway agrees with this as he is a major productive supporter of slime. I will talk with @Peak to look at this thread as well.
 
i apologize for being inactive, but i definitely agree, there is the topic about type 1 soul based AE which is information but it has been abandoned

I also don't think the idea of TheGreatJedi is bad, I think it's fair to be listed as a weakness, as within the story many focus on destroying the physical body to send the demon back to the underworld, so yeah either option is fine with me, Rimuru's case would probably be AE type 1 not applicable, since he always regenerates the physical body then it would be pretty much AE type 2
 
So I assume many slime supporters agree with this. I will request some staff members and we can apply this.
 
Actually, I want to add something that I don't know if it will be useful 🗿

High level spirit lifeforms don't have and don't need a physical body, so beings like Rimuru, as well as Guy or Diablo still wouldn't maintain AE type 1 without any kind of weaknesses?
 
Btw why will this affect rimuru and High tier spiritual lifeforms? Who don't need a physical body?
 
So then demons not needing a physical body Would Still not be qualified for ae1 for different keys??
 
Why would they grant AE type 1? AE type 1 is not just “I lack a physical body”.
 
ImmortalDread said:
They get incorporeality by default.
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yes, I'm not saying that not having a physical body is AE type 1, I'm saying it's contradictory

Demons are abstract lifeforms that need a physical body to interact with the world-->high level spirit lifeforms do not have a physical body

There's no way you can have a physical body at the same time as you don't have 🗿 so I think it would still be valid, since the weakness of needing the physical body ceases to exist
 
Are high level spirits lifeforms by any chance pure abstract? If yes, may I see the evidence?
 
ImmortalDread said:
Are high level spirits lifeforms by any chance pure abstract? If yes, may I see the evidence?
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It was like I said, high level spiritual life forms are not an abstraction, they no longer have a physical body, which is incorporeality, BUT demons are conceptual beings who need physical body to interact, which would be AE type 1 limited or AE type 2 as said in the OP, and now comes what I'm trying to convey, a demon (like Guy or Diablo) who are conceptual need a physical body, but from the moment they become high level spiritual life forms, they don't need it anymore, that's my point, demons in their essence are already conceptual, if they reach a level that doesn't need a physical body anymore then would be AE type 1
 
For the latter, yes, I understood. They are AE type 1. I was confused at the beginning. Thanks for clarification.
 
Peak said:
It was like I said, high level spiritual life forms are not an abstraction, they no longer have a physical body, which is incorporeality, BUT demons are conceptual beings who need physical body to interact, which would be AE type 1 limited or AE type 2 as said in the OP, and now comes what I'm trying to convey, a demon (like Guy or Diablo) who are conceptual need a physical body, but from the moment they become high level spiritual life forms, they don't need it anymore, that's my point, demons in their essence are already conceptual, if they reach a level that doesn't need a physical body anymore then would be AE type 1
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Just to note briefly here:

Full AE1 is being in a state where one is a not just a conceptual entity but they also naturally exist in a state where they completely lack a physical form that’s in any way, shape or form and are completely uninteractable

If high level spiritual lifeforms exist in a state where they dont have a physical body at all and are completely uninteractable by any means then that is AE1

If high level spiritual entities as you say have feats, statements, showings or implications that they can completely interact with the world without the need of a body then that’s AE1 in full. If it’s is however that they don’t NEED a body still HAVE a body or some physical form that can be interacted with then they should likely get something like Selective AE. Selective because they still possess a physical form that can be interacted with but don’t need it. Or it can be noted in the Weakness section that High Level spiritual entities CAN possess physical forms that can be interacted with but don’t depend on them


That’s just my thoughts on the matter anyways
 
Yeah low level demons need physical bodies to interact but not spiritual lifeforms
 
Ss3micah said:
Just to note briefly here:

Full AE1 is being in a state where one is a not just a conceptual entity but they also naturally exist in a state where they completely lack a physical form that’s in any way, shape or form and are completely uninteractable

If high level spiritual lifeforms exist in a state where they dont have a physical body at all and are completely uninteractable by any means then that is AE1

If high level spiritual entities as you say have feats, statements, showings or implications that they can completely interact with the world without the need of a body then that’s AE1 in full. If it’s is however that they don’t NEED a body still HAVE a body or some physical form that can be interacted with then they should likely get something like Selective AE. Selective because they still possess a physical form that can be interacted with but don’t need it. Or it can be noted in the Weakness section that High Level spiritual entities CAN possess physical forms that can be interacted with but don’t depend on them


That’s just my thoughts on the matter anyways
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I agree, I don't have the scans right now, but it's easy to get, including this is listed in the physiology part of most characters on the wiki, like Diablo for example, so them not having a physical body is already accepted
Demon God: As a demon god, Diablo is the highest tier demonic spirit, thus he lacks a physical body, has eternal youth and will regenerate as long as his core inside his soul isn't completely destroyed.
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Honestly, the way that the slime verse did it is completely eldritch in many levels. I am implying how they are cheating and we just “fit it to the system”.
It works but it is funny.
 
Peak said:
I agree, I don't have the scans right now, but it's easy to get, including this is listed in the physiology part of most characters on the wiki, like Diablo for example, so them not having a physical body is already accepted
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If that’s the case then early keys of Diablo would have Limited AE1 and AE2 while Demon God Key would have Selective AE1

Guy only has one Key so Selective AE1

The other primordial demons i don’t think are are at the same level as Diablo and Guy (haven’t read that far). If they are they should get Selective AE and if not they should get Limited AE1 and AE2

Rimuru is the trickster
I guess he gets Selective AE1 when he evolved to the point he can be considered a High Level spiritual lifeform (I think that happened when he became a pseudo true dragon) and he gets Limited AE1 and AE2 prior to that but after he absorbed a demon (which I believe would be his Demon Lord Key)
 
ImmortalDread said:
Honestly, the way that the slime verse did it is completely eldritch in many levels. I am implying how they are cheating and we just “fit it to the system”.
It works but it is funny.
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well, light novel doesn't have these problems at least but also has no conceptual existence🥴
 
Ss3micah said:
If that’s the case then early keys of Diablo would have Limited AE1 and AE2 while Demon God Key would have Selective AE1

Guy only has one Key so Selective AE1

The other primordial demons i don’t think are are at the same level as Diablo and Guy (haven’t read that far). If they are they should get Selective AE and if not they should get Limited AE1 and AE2

Rimuru is the trickster
I guess he gets Selective AE1 when he evolved to the point he can be considered a High Level spiritual lifeform (I think that happened when he became a pseudo true dragon) and he gets Limited AE1 and AE2 prior to that but after he absorbed a demon (which I believe would be his Demon Lord Key)
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I agree with it
 
So I read the thread. Is there any reason why they aren't just AE type 2 and incorporeal without a physical form?
 
Sir_Ovens said:
So I read the thread. Is there any reason why they aren't just AE type 2 and incorporeal without a physical form?
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demons are conceptual existences, that's why they are abstract existence type 1 and that's why they need a physical body to interact with the world
 
Peak said:
demons are conceptual existences, that's why they are abstract existence type 1 and that's why they need a physical body to interact with the world
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Can I see the scans for this please? I need to know what I'm dealing with to form a proper evaluation.
 
Sir_Ovens said:
Can I see the scans for this please? I need to know what I'm dealing with to form a proper evaluation.
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"This world was the Underworld. In other words, this world could also be called Hell.
It was the Spiritual World, the home of demons that didn’t possess a physical body.
I was inside such world.
I seemed to be a Lesser Demon.
Demons are an existence like spirits or angels. It seemed to be an existence that received receives power from the spirit of Darkness and specialized in the demonic attribute.
Similarly, the Angel specialized in the holy attribute of the spirit of Light, the exception to this seemed to be called a Spirit."

Chapter 114


https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=r2Q5nqcYyhUFmoOFDbUB3XSzyMQZ.....xY
 
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