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Question: Kaioshin Higher Dimensional Plane

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Ok so I listening to somebody in a Power Scaling Discord and he told me that Goku is Low Complex Multiversal 5D-6D via this Dragon Ball Book? And he said that Goku could be 6D because of the phrasing "transcending dimensions that the human world cannot perceived" and due to Dragon Ball A Room that contains the Past, Present and Future, that means they can perceive 4D structures? So please help me out here I do know this scaling is stupid but I don't know how to debunk them. They also say he can get Goku to Outer or something.
 
Ok so I listening to somebody in a Power Scaling Discord and he told me that Goku is Low Complex Multiversal 5D-6D via this Dragon Ball Book? And he said that Goku could be 6D because of the phrasing "transcending dimensions that the human world cannot perceived" and due to Dragon Ball A Room that contains the Past, Present and Future, that means they can perceive 4D structures? So please help me out here I do know this scaling is stupid but I don't know how to debunk them. They also say he can get Goku to Outer or something.
Well, for one there is some canonical dissonance here. The description looks to be that of Other World, which... Well... The show literally depicted Grand Kai holding a depiction of the universe atop his index finger (can't show due to finicky Fandom image links, but it's literally featured on the Dragon Ball WIki's article for Multiverse), and it clearly shows Other World as the clouds above the material universe, yet it's all STILL contained within the universe. Also, Daizenshuu 4 (people normally view Daizenshuu as the most accurate DBZ guidebook of the bunch) shows the same depiction of the universe, with Other World marked as the clouds above the material universe (depicted as the bowl beneath Hell).

As for the room itself. Well, the room is clearly physical; all that thing would be getting would be Time Manipulation. Really, the Dragon Ball series had no flipping clue how time works! There's that room, which is more or less just a closet that Goku can physically interact with, so I highly doubt Goku's able to see anything 4D there. There's the Room of Space and Time aka the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, which is best assumed to be a pocket dimension considering Vegeta demolished the chamber enough to be given an ultimatum (basically, stop that shit or get banned from the chamber) and there had been no known instances of anyone who isn't from Universe 7 using the thing. That's not mentioning there are three known Hyperbolic Time Chambers: the one at Kami's lookout, the one owned by the Galactic Patrol, and the one Frieza found out of the blue. There's also the Time Rings, which Dragon Ball Super claimed were created each time a diversion in the timeline happens, and the Time Scrolls from Xenoverse, which are literally the same thing as the Time Rings but in scroll form. Oh, and the timelines? They don't affect one another; they just continue doing their own thing as if nothing happened. Weird, I know.
 
Well, for one there is some canonical dissonance here. The description looks to be that of Other World, which... Well... The show literally depicted Grand Kai holding a depiction of the universe atop his index finger (can't show due to finicky Fandom image links, but it's literally featured on the Dragon Ball WIki's article for Multiverse), and it clearly shows Other World as the clouds above the material universe, yet it's all STILL contained within the universe. Also, Daizenshuu 4 (people normally view Daizenshuu as the most accurate DBZ guidebook of the bunch) shows the same depiction of the universe, with Other World marked as the clouds above the material universe (depicted as the bowl beneath Hell).

As for the room itself. Well, the room is clearly physical; all that thing would be getting would be Time Manipulation. Really, the Dragon Ball series had no flipping clue how time works! There's that room, which is more or less just a closet that Goku can physically interact with, so I highly doubt Goku's able to see anything 4D there. There's the Room of Space and Time aka the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, which is best assumed to be a pocket dimension considering Vegeta demolished the chamber enough to be given an ultimatum (basically, stop that shit or get banned from the chamber) and there had been no known instances of anyone who isn't from Universe 7 using the thing. That's not mentioning there are three known Hyperbolic Time Chambers: the one at Kami's lookout, the one owned by the Galactic Patrol, and the one Frieza found out of the blue. There's also the Time Rings, which Dragon Ball Super claimed were created each time a diversion in the timeline happens, and the Time Scrolls from Xenoverse, which are literally the same thing as the Time Rings but in scroll form. Oh, and the timelines? They don't affect one another; they just continue doing their own thing as if nothing happened. Weird, I know.
Even when I tell this to them they won't probably take it as a counter arguement. But thank you anyways.
 
And also is there another way to disprove of Universes in Dragon Ball being a 5D-6D Construicts?
 
well whats the proof they are
According to the OP, the guy he was arguing with tried to prove 5D-6D Dragon Ball Z with a translated description of Other World and some time closet. I kinda beat you to explaining why that was absurd.

Honestly, this is literally the only Vs Debate site that cares about 4D, 5D, whatever. Every other place I've been to (OBD, The Lounge (defunct), and Comicvine) is more like "Just call it universal or multiversal, stupid! Goddamn! Nobody cares about this dimension bullcrap!" The guy OP's trying to argue with would've been better off presenting his arguments elsewhere.
 
According to the OP, the guy he was arguing with tried to prove 5D-6D Dragon Ball Z with a translated description of Other World and some time closet. I kinda beat you to explaining why that was absurd.

Honestly, this is literally the only Vs Debate site that cares about 4D, 5D, whatever. Every other place I've been to (OBD, The Lounge (defunct), and Comicvine) is more like "Just call it universal or multiversal, stupid! Goddamn! Nobody cares about this dimension bullcrap!" The guy OP's trying to argue with would've been better off presenting his arguments elsewhere.
he said what i was replying to after you already responded, i think hes talking about a second thing
 
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