DC Comics - Post Crisis Superman abilities

[XXKINGXX69]

All of these apply to post eradicator absorption (tell me if I'm wrong about these I'm lazy to check the release date of some comics). Some of these are additions to ability he already has, those are bolded

Abilities

• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1, used Heat Vision to cauterize a tear in space in the Fourth World, a Platonic Archetypal world.[72] Used counter-vibrations to cancel out the essence of[74] Godhead Darkseid)
  • See this explanation for why the latter feat is conceptual manipulation
• limited Antimatter Manipulation and Quantum Manipulation (Accelerated the generation of virtual particles and anti-particles by using the uncertainty principle [Superman/Batman #80])
• Fate Manipulation (His sheer will can influence the preordained flow of time [Superman: The Man of Steel Vol 1 #118])
• Up to Universal range for his enhanced senses (Noticed that all things in creation were being erased by Death [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])
• Dimensional Travel, Time Travel (Pushed through the barriers of space and time to return from a place he was sent to where past and future were merged and all events existed simultaneously [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])
• Reactive Evolution (Was at first affected by Disciple's beam that de-evolved everything millions of years back, which turned Superman into an ancestral form, but later gained an immunity to it and powered through the same beams [JLA: Primeval]. Developed a resistance to even magic mind control over time [Superman: The Man of Steel Annual 1]. Built up an immunity to Silver Banshee's scream [Action Comics #662] when previously, he was affected by it and put into a coma [Action Comics #595])
• minor Paralysis Inducement (See the pressure point justification's third scan)
• Instinctive Reaction and Berserk Mode (Entered a state where fighting Imperiex Probes became primal nature, where he was focused on nothing but destroying them, unimpeded by other emotions [Adventures of Superman #594])
• BFR (Flied Batman far away to protect him [52 Aftermath: The Four Horsemen #2])

Resistances

• Spatial Manipulation (Took a blast from Gog's spear which tore open a hole/portal to Hypertime, breaching its walls.[106] Survived multiple attacks[107] from Breach,[108] which are described as dimensional distortion fields[109] that can cause distortions in space and time[110]. Can survive black holes)
• Existence Erasure, Conceptual Manipulation (Could resist being erased from reality by Mxy. Survived Darkseid's Omega Beams while he was attempting to kill him, [New Gods Vol 4. #10] which can erase New Gods[18] who are Platonic Forms[19)
• Death Manipulation, Age Manipulation (Overcame death inducement from his archetypal shadow of death [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?]. See Reactive Evolution)
• Causality Manipulation (The Time Trapper's powers cannot erase Superman from history [Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #5]. Can survive being erased from history by Mxy)
• Antimatter Manipulation (Unharmed from a positron cannon [Superman Vol 1 #665])
• Matter Manipulation (Unharmed from a positron cannon, which fire anti-electrons)

Some of the stuff there is from Superman Where is Thy Sting?, which is actually a dream made manifest into a reality. Death put everyone else into a stasis, and in Action Comics #1030, Lois Lane referenced the events of the comic


Second is ability removals

Minor Power Mimicry (Learned stealth just by observing Batman do it[54])

Learning stealth isn't the same as learning complex kicks/jabs or whatever, so this shouldn't be power mimicry, just a very good intelligence feat

Hacking (Reprogrammed a Superman Robot[63])

Doesn't look like he literally reprogrammed it, just incapped the robot with a surgical heat vision

Limited Power Nullification (He can cut off external sources of power using heat vision[18])

This looks more like a limitation for Gunge's ability

 

[Stefano4444]

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1, used Heat Vision to cauterize a tear in space in the Fourth World, a Platonic Archetypal world.[72] Used counter-vibrations to cancel out the essence of[74] Godhead Darkseid)

Aren't the New Gods themselves the ones who are platonic and not the Fourth World itself? Also since Superman likely used the Boom Tube to go in the Fourth World, which its suppost to alter Superman's physiology, would this be applicable to regular Superman?

And for Godhead Darkseid, i'm pretty sure Non-Physical Interaction already cover that.

Fate Manipulation (His sheer will can influence the preordained flow of time [Superman: The Man of Steel Vol 1 #118])

That statement never say that Superman had the power to control fate, only that his selflessness and heroic actions had positive influence to the world around him.

Up to Multiversal+ range for his enhanced senses (Noticed that all things in creation were being erased by Death [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])

The statement never indicate that Superman was sensing the entire multiverse in that moment, at best he was refer to only the universe and even that its shaky at best, also it could count as Cosmic Awareness.

Also range its only refer to to someone's attack range, it has nothing to do with someone's awareness.

Dimensional Travel, Time Travel (Pushed through the barriers of space and time to return from a place he was sent to where past and future were merged and all events existed simultaneously [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])

That sound more like Dimensional Travel only, since future and past where merging it doesn't seen like Superman was travelling across time.

Some of the stuff there is from Superman Where is Thy Sting?, which is actually a dream made manifest into a reality. Death put everyone else into a stasis, and in Action Comics #1030, Lois Lane referenced the events of the comic

That seen a little too vague of a statement to be honest to be taken literally as you say.

 

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[Gasper]

All of these apply to post eradicator absorption (tell me if I'm wrong about these I'm lazy to check the release date of some comics). Some of these are additions to ability he already has, those are bolded

Abilities

• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1, used Heat Vision to cauterize a tear in space in the Fourth World, a Platonic Archetypal world.[72] Used counter-vibrations to cancel out the essence of[74] Godhead Darkseid)

Seems fine. He should also have limited space-time manipulation.

• limited Antimatter Manipulation and Quantum Manipulation (Accelerated the generation of virtual particles and anti-particles by using the uncertainty principle

Not sure

• [Superman/Batman #80])
• Fate Manipulation (His sheer will can influence the preordained flow of time [Superman: The Man of Steel Vol 1 #118])

Dosen't sound like fate manipulation to me.

• Up to Multiversal+ range for his enhanced senses (Noticed that all things in creation were being erased by Death [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])

That's fine

• Dimensional Travel, Time Travel (Pushed through the barriers of space and time to return from a place he was sent to where past and future were merged and all events existed simultaneously [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])

Fine as well

• Reactive Evolution (Was at first affected by Disciple's beam that de-evolved everything millions of years back, which turned Superman into an ancestral form, but later gained an immunity to it and powered through the same beams [JLA: Primeval]. Developed a resistance to even magic mind control over time [Superman: The Man of Steel Annual 1]. Built up an immunity to Silver Banshee's scream [Action Comics #662] when previously, he was affected by it and put into a coma [Action Comics #595])

Seems fine as well

• minor Paralysis Inducement (See the pressure point justification's third scan)
• Instinctive Reaction and Berserk Mode (Entered a state where fighting Imperiex Probes became primal nature, where he was focused on nothing but destroying them, unimpeded by other emotions [Adventures of Superman #594])

This is him not holding back probably.

• BFR (Flied Batman far away to protect him [52 Aftermath: The Four Horsemen #2])

Resistances

• Spatial Manipulation (Took a blast from Gog's spear which tore open a hole/portal to Hypertime, breaching its walls.[106] Survived multiple attacks[107] from Breach,[108] which are described as dimensional distortion fields[109] that can cause distortions in space and time[110]. Can survive black holes)
• Existence Erasure, Conceptual Manipulation (Could resist being erased from reality by Mxy. Survived Darkseid's Omega Beams while he was attempting to kill him, [New Gods Vol 4. #10] which can erase New Gods[18] who are Platonic Forms[19)

How consistently does he resist existence erasure?

• Death Manipulation, Age Manipulation (Overcame death inducement from his archetypal shadow of death [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])

Fine i guess?

Some of the stuff there is from Superman Where is Thy Sting?, which is actually a dream made manifest into a reality. Death put everyone else into a stasis, and in Action Comics #1030, Lois Lane referenced the events of the comic


Second is ability removals



Learning stealth isn't the same as learning complex kicks/jabs or whatever, so this shouldn't be power mimicry, just a very good intelligence feat



Doesn't look like he literally reprogrammed it, just incapped the robot with a surgical heat vision



This looks more like a limitation for Gunge's ability

Agree with removals though.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Aren't the New Gods themselves the ones who are platonic and not the Fourth World itself? Also since Superman likely used the Boom Tube to go in the Fourth World, which its suppost to alter Superman's physiology, would this be applicable to regular Superman?

And for Godhead Darkseid, i'm pretty sure Non-Physical Interaction already cover that.


That statement never say that Superman had the power to control fate, only that his selflessness and heroic actions had positive influence to the world around him.


The statement never indicate that Superman was sensing the entire multiverse in that moment, at best he was refer to only the universe and even that its shaky at best, also it could count as Cosmic Awareness.

Also range its only refer to to someone's attack range, it has nothing to do with someone's awareness.


That sound more like Dimensional Travel only, since future and past where merging it doesn't seen like Superman was travelling across time.


That seen a little too vague of a statement to be honest to be taken literally as you say.

Aren't the New Gods themselves the ones who are platonic and not the Fourth World itself? Also since Superman likely used the Boom Tube to go in the Fourth World, which its suppost to alter Superman's physiology, would this be applicable to regular Superman?

The world they live in is a platonic archetypal world, stated by Batman in the same scan, and in the map of the multiverse. You could be right about that, I think regular humans while boomtube amped can likely still interact with the Fourth World

And for Godhead Darkseid, i'm pretty sure Non-Physical Interaction already cover that.

The reason why I think its conceptual manipulation is because Superman was on Earth while Darkseid's essence was in the Fourth World, so its like Superman's counter vibrations travelled from the physical plane to a conceptual plane of existence. So its conceptual manipulation for a similar reason why punching someone's physical body while also affecting their spirit without directly touching it would be soul manipulation. Music or vibrations is something that makes up everything, what Superman used was counter vibrations or anti music which cancels out their existence, as shown in the scan in the OP. So if vibrations/music make up all things including concepts like Darkseid, then the antithesis of vibrations would be conceptual too. Anti music as shown in this scan on Barbatos' profile can shake the strings of the multiverse according to BWL, which should include the Sphere of the Gods as BWL is aware of places like that, and the sphere of the gods is conceptual, proving once again that music makes up a concept's existence too

That statement never say that Superman had the power to control fate, only that his selflessness and heroic actions had positive influence to the world around him.

The heroic actions statement has nothing to do with this at all, its at the bottom panel where Hunter states his will changes the preordained flow of time. Hunter and the linear men are time travellers which is why I doubt this is hyperbolic

The statement never indicate that Superman was sensing the entire multiverse in that moment, at best he was refer to only the universe and even that its shaky at best, also it could count as Cosmic Awareness.

Superman said all of creation, and Superman is obviously aware of the multiverse and things beyond it that are a part of creation

Also range its only refer to to someone's attack range, it has nothing to do with someone's awareness.

No, you must be new to this site if you think it only applies to attacks. Even if what you said was true, it would be dumb as hell to not include range feats for someone's senses simply because the range section doesn't list range for abilities that aren't attacks

That sound more like Dimensional Travel only, since future and past where merging it doesn't seen like Superman was travelling across time.

Did you read the scan? It says he travelled through time and space

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Most of these look good but I don't have time to look through them all atm. One thing I'll say is that the Multiversal+ senses thing might just be on a Universal scale, since he's talking about the Universe dying right before that, and creation can just mean the Universe.

The rest I can try to look at later, but a lot of this seems fine.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Most of these look good but I don't have time to look through them all atm. One thing I'll say is that the Multiversal+ senses thing might just be on a Universal scale, since he's talking about the Universe dying right before that, and creation can just mean the Universe.

The rest I can try to look at later, but a lot of this seems fine.

Superman's definition of creation should include the multiverse since he's aware of it. He's travelled across different universes countless number of times

 

[Ehnkr2beboh]

Superman's definition of creation should include the multiverse since he's aware of it. He's travelled across different universes countless number of times

At this point in Post-Crisis, I'm not sure how often it was, but I don't think it changes the point that creation could mean Universe. People can still call Earth "everything" even if they know there's tons more out there in space, and it makes sense here especially considering the context of the Universe dying.

Dimensional travel seems fine, but idk about Time Travel considering that Supes theorizes it's either no time or all of time, and the former would make sense with him having been outside of time and then having to overcome its barrier to return. Reactive evolution seems really solid, and to add on to it, Superman is frozen in time in Superman #61, but is fine 12 issues later in Superman #73. For power null, I think that seems pretty direct in that he cuts off his power source, so is there something I'm not getting about how Power Null works?

Most other stuff looks fine at a glance, especially Existence Erasure existence if he didn't have that already, but I'm neutral on conceptual manipulation off of the reason given.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

At this point in Post-Crisis, I'm not sure how often it was, but I don't think it changes the point that creation could mean Universe. People can still call Earth "everything" even if they know there's tons more out there in space, and it makes sense here especially considering the context of the Universe dying.

Dimensional travel seems fine, but idk about Time Travel considering that Supes theorizes it's either no time or all of time, and the former would make sense with him having been outside of time and then having to overcome its barrier to return. Reactive evolution seems really solid, and to add on to it, Superman is frozen in time in Superman #61, but is fine 12 issues later in Superman #73. For power null, I think that seems pretty direct in that he cuts off his power source, so is there something I'm not getting about how Power Null works?

Most other stuff looks fine at a glance, especially Existence Erasure existence if he didn't have that already, but I'm neutral on conceptual manipulation off of the reason given.

"Everything" is too different from all creation though, and I feel like it will take more assumptions to say "all creation means just the universe" then to say "all creation means everything that has been created"

 

[Firestorm808]

Would any of you be willing to help out here?

Will look at when available.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you to everybody who are helping out here.

 

[EmperorRorepmeThree]

Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1, used Heat Vision to cauterize a tear in space in the Fourth World, a Platonic Archetypal world.[72] Used counter-vibrations to cancel out the essence of[74] Godhead Darkseid)

Agreed, I'm not sure about the Heat Vision feat but with defeating Godhead Darkseid it's manipulating a sort of fundamental nature of the universe, the universe as vibrations, to attack too so I think it's more.

limited Antimatter Manipulation and Quantum Manipulation (Accelerated the generation of virtual particles and anti-particles by using the uncertainty principle [Superman/Batman #80])

Agreed

Fate Manipulation (His sheer will can influence the preordained flow of time [Superman: The Man of Steel Vol 1 #118])

There are better things to use to prove Superman has some unconscious form of fate manipulation or even plot manipulation honestly. It's not a power he consciously uses it's more a power that comes from the very concept of Superman in DC.

Dimensional Travel, Time Travel (Pushed through the barriers of space and time to return from a place he was sent to where past and future were merged and all events existed simultaneously [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])

I agree with Dimensional Travel. Could be Time Travel but not conventional time travel, it's not really by his own power that he's wherever he is, it's Death putting him there and then he travels out of it by pushing beyond the limits of space and time.

Reactive Evolution (Was at first affected by Disciple's beam that de-evolved everything millions of years back, which turned Superman into an ancestral form, but later gained an immunity to it and powered through the same beams [JLA: Primeval]. Developed a resistance to even magic mind control over time [Superman: The Man of Steel Annual 1]. Built up an immunity to Silver Banshee's scream [Action Comics #662] when previously, he was affected by it and put into a coma [Action Comics #595])

Agreed

• minor Paralysis Inducement (See the pressure point justification's third scan)
• Instinctive Reaction and Berserk Mode (Entered a state where fighting Imperiex Probes became primal nature, where he was focused on nothing but destroying them, unimpeded by other emotions [Adventures of Superman #594])
• BFR (Flied Batman far away to protect him [52 Aftermath: The Four Horsemen #2])

Agree but I don't think it's instinctive reaction.

Resistances

• Spatial Manipulation (Took a blast from Gog's spear which tore open a hole/portal to Hypertime, breaching its walls.[106] Survived multiple attacks[107] from Breach,[108] which are described as dimensional distortion fields[109] that can cause distortions in space and time[110]. Can survive black holes)
• Existence Erasure, Conceptual Manipulation (Could resist being erased from reality by Mxy. Survived Darkseid's Omega Beams while he was attempting to kill him, [New Gods Vol 4. #10] which can erase New Gods[18] who are Platonic Forms[19)
• Death Manipulation, Age Manipulation (Overcame death inducement from his archetypal shadow of death [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])
• Causality Manipulation (The Time Trapper's powers cannot erase Superman from history [Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #5]. Can survive being erased from history by Mxy)
• Age Manipulation (See Reactive Evolution)
• Antimatter Manipulation (Unharmed from a positron cannon [Superman Vol 1 #665])
• Matter Manipulation (Unharmed from a positron cannon, which fire anti-protons)

Agreed

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Bump

 

[Stefano4444]

There are better things to use to prove Superman has some unconscious form of fate manipulation or even plot manipulation honestly. It's not a power he consciously uses it's more a power that comes from the very concept of Superman in DC.

If the fate thing doesn't even come from Superman himself but its from outsider influence of the DC editors/authors/writers, can we trully grant him such ability in the first place?

Otherwise then Batman can be argue to have Fate Manipulation too, in virtue of be The Goddamn Batman.

In Vs Debate we always assume that the fight happen in a neutral setting, meaning plot armor/authority bias should never matter here.

 

[Antvasima]

I also do not think that we can give Superman fate manipulation due to plot armor.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

If you want to give Supes plot and fate manipulation because of those, make another thread because I don't have the scans and it would be a waste of time to just arrgue it here

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Bump

 

[SlendVeny]

All of these apply to post eradicator absorption (tell me if I'm wrong about these I'm lazy to check the release date of some comics). Some of these are additions to ability he already has, those are bolded

Abilities

• Conceptual Manipulation (Type 1, used Heat Vision to cauterize a tear in space in the Fourth World, a Platonic Archetypal world.[72] Used counter-vibrations to cancel out the essence of[74] Godhead Darkseid)
  • See this explanation for why the latter feat is conceptual manipulation

I would add a "Limited" clause, these are mostly just him negating things. Possibly acceptable tho.

• limited Antimatter Manipulation and Quantum Manipulation (Accelerated the generation of virtual particles and anti-particles by using the uncertainty principle [Superman/Batman #80])

Could work.

• Fate Manipulation (His sheer will can influence the preordained flow of time [Superman: The Man of Steel Vol 1 #118])

Eh, that's the Specter memeing about how Superman's influence on others is able to alter the events previously set in motion, I think. Idk tho.

• Up to Multiversal+ range for his enhanced senses (Noticed that all things in creation were being erased by Death [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])

• Dimensional Travel, Time Travel (Pushed through the barriers of space and time to return from a place he was sent to where past and future were merged and all events existed simultaneously [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])

Don't know enough about Thy Sting to answer.

• Reactive Evolution (Was at first affected by Disciple's beam that de-evolved everything millions of years back, which turned Superman into an ancestral form, but later gained an immunity to it and powered through the same beams [JLA: Primeval]. Developed a resistance to even magic mind control over time [Superman: The Man of Steel Annual 1]. Built up an immunity to Silver Banshee's scream [Action Comics #662] when previously, he was affected by it and put into a coma [Action Comics #595])

Yeah, no, that works.

• minor Paralysis Inducement (See the pressure point justification's third scan)
• Instinctive Reaction and Berserk Mode (Entered a state where fighting Imperiex Probes became primal nature, where he was focused on nothing but destroying them, unimpeded by other emotions [Adventures of Superman #594])
• BFR (Flied Batman far away to protect him [52 Aftermath: The Four Horsemen #2])

These work as well.

Resistances

• Spatial Manipulation (Took a blast from Gog's spear which tore open a hole/portal to Hypertime, breaching its walls.[106] Survived multiple attacks[107] from Breach,[108] which are described as dimensional distortion fields[109] that can cause distortions in space and time[110]. Can survive black holes)
• Existence Erasure, Conceptual Manipulation (Could resist being erased from reality by Mxy. Survived Darkseid's Omega Beams while he was attempting to kill him, [New Gods Vol 4. #10] which can erase New Gods[18] who are Platonic Forms[19)
• Death Manipulation, Age Manipulation (Overcame death inducement from his archetypal shadow of death [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?]. See Reactive Evolution)
• Causality Manipulation (The Time Trapper's powers cannot erase Superman from history [Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #5]. Can survive being erased from history by Mxy)
• Antimatter Manipulation (Unharmed from a positron cannon [Superman Vol 1 #665])
• Matter Manipulation (Unharmed from a positron cannon, which fire anti-protons)

These probably work too.

Some of the stuff there is from Superman Where is Thy Sting?, which is actually a dream made manifest into a reality. Death put everyone else into a stasis, and in Action Comics #1030, Lois Lane referenced the events of the comic

That kinda makes it a possible outlier, yeah?

Learning stealth isn't the same as learning complex kicks/jabs or whatever, so this shouldn't be power mimicry, just a very good intelligence feat

Well, it's already listed as Limited, so that's probably why.

Doesn't look like he literally reprogrammed it, just incapped the robot with a surgical heat vision

This looks more like a limitation for Gunge's ability

Yeah.

 

[Antvasima]

Will look at when available.

@Firestorm808

 

[Firestorm808]

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Will be available later today.

 

[Firestorm808]

• Conceptual Manipulation
  • Conceptual Manipulation is the ability to manipulate, create, and/or destroy abstract concepts. This ability has a variety of applications, ranging from not combat-applicable to incredibly dominating. Conceptual Manipulation involves the manipulation of concepts and not the universe directly. However, through this power, one can change the universe's fundamental principles on the highest level. Each concept is linked with its respective "object." In this way, altering the concept will change every object linked to it in the same way the concept itself was changed.
  • Type 1: Independent Universal Concepts: Such concepts are completely independent from the part of reality they govern, except maybe of other concepts of this nature. These concepts shape all of reality within their area of influence and at whatever level that area exists in, and everything in it "participates" in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is "participating" in the concept of "circle-ness". In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept.
  • Proposal:
    • Used Heat Vision to cauterize a tear in space in the Fourth World, a Platonic Archetypal world.[72]
      • Disagree. Space, even in an archetypal world, is just a higher dimensional space in this context. The current principle of the concept of space was not changed.
    • Used counter-vibrations to cancel out the essence of[74] Godhead Darkseid (See this explanation for why the latter feat is conceptual manipulation)
      • Disagree. Again, the current principle of the concept of Darkseid was not changed. The Godhead itself is not a concept, but an expression of a concept. If Darkseid is the concept of evil, and we destroyed Darkseid, then the concept of evil would be destroyed across all connected realities.
• Antimatter Manipulation: Antimatter Manipulation is the power to control Antimatter, a material composed of antiparticles.
• Quantum Manipulation: Ability associated with the manipulation of tiny indivisible portions (quanta) of a particular physical quantity.
  • Accelerated the generation of virtual particles and anti-particles by using the uncertainty principle[Superman/Batman #80])
    • Disagree with Anti-Matter Manipulation. Agree with Limited Quantum Manipulation via Heat Vision. Per Superman, his heat vision can excite a vacuum of space, accelerating the process of particle and antiparticles being generated in said vacuum.
• Fate Manipulation: Fate Manipulation is the ability to manipulate destiny itself to achieve a desired result. More subtle forms of the ability can simply nudge events in the users favor while more powerful variations can make it possible to ordain one's victory against their opponent.
  • His sheer will can influence the preordained flow of time[Superman: The Man of Steel Vol 1 #118])
    • Disagree. See above: That statement never say that Superman had the power to control fate, only that his selflessness and heroic actions had positive influence to the world around him.
• Up to Multiversal+ range for his enhanced senses
  • Noticed that all things in creation were being erased by Death[Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])
    • Disagree. See above: The statement never indicate that Superman was sensing the entire multiverse in that moment, at best he was refer to only the universe and even that its shaky at best, also it could count as Cosmic Awareness.
• Dimensional Travel
• Time Travel
  • Pushed through the barriers of space and time to return from a place he was sent to where past and future were merged and all events existed simultaneously[Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])
    • Neutral. Will have to reread the comic to verify.
• Reactive Evolution
  • Was at first affected by Disciple's beam that de-evolved everything millions of years back, which turned Superman into an ancestral form, but later gained an immunity to it and powered through the same beams[JLA: Primeval].
    • Seems okay, but change "immunity" to "resistance"
  • Developed a resistance to even magic mind control over time[Superman: The Man of Steel Annual 1].
    • Seems okay, but change to Empathic Manipulation resistance.
  • Built up an immunity to Silver Banshee's scream [Action Comics #662] when previously, he was affected by it and put into a coma[Action Comics #595])
    • Per the page, it's ambiguous as to the cause of the resistance, but I'll let it pass.
• Minor Paralysis Inducement
  • (See the pressure point justification's third scan)
    • Seems okay. add "Via Pressure Points
• Instinctive Reaction: Instinctive Action is the ability to act without the need for conscious thought. The actions need to be done through muscle memory, instinct, or any other means separated from the user's regular consciousness, like automatic magic that triggers on its own, technology set to act under set circumstances or regularly, supernatural forces maneuvering the user in some way, etc.
• Berserk Mode: A condition in which a character, due to any psychological or physical effects, falls into an uncontrollable rage.
  • Entered a state where fighting Imperiex Probes became primal nature, where he was focused on nothing but destroying them, unimpeded by other emotions[Adventures of Superman #594])
    • Instinctive Action seems okay.
    • Disagree with Berserk Mode. He's intentionally numbing himself, suppressing emotions. I wouldn't call it uncontrollable rage.
• BFR
  • Flied Batman far away to protect him[52 Aftermath: The Four Horsemen #2]
    • Seems okay. Add "Via flight"

 

[XXKINGXX69]

• Conceptual Manipulation
  • Conceptual Manipulation is the ability to manipulate, create, and/or destroy abstract concepts. This ability has a variety of applications, ranging from not combat-applicable to incredibly dominating. Conceptual Manipulation involves the manipulation of concepts and not the universe directly. However, through this power, one can change the universe's fundamental principles on the highest level. Each concept is linked with its respective "object." In this way, altering the concept will change every object linked to it in the same way the concept itself was changed.
  • Type 1: Independent Universal Concepts: Such concepts are completely independent from the part of reality they govern, except maybe of other concepts of this nature. These concepts shape all of reality within their area of influence and at whatever level that area exists in, and everything in it "participates" in these concepts. For example, a circular object is circular because it is "participating" in the concept of "circle-ness". In this way, the alteration of these concepts will change every object of the concept across all of their area of influence, while the opposite wouldn't affect the concept.
  • Proposal:
    • Used Heat Vision to cauterize a tear in space in the Fourth World, a Platonic Archetypal world.[72]
      • Disagree. Space, even in an archetypal world, is just a higher dimensional space in this context. The current principle of the concept of space was not changed.
    • Used counter-vibrations to cancel out the essence of[74] Godhead Darkseid (See this explanation for why the latter feat is conceptual manipulation)
      • Disagree. Again, the current principle of the concept of Darkseid was not changed. The Godhead itself is not a concept, but an expression of a concept. If Darkseid is the concept of evil, and we destroyed Darkseid, then the concept of evil would be destroyed across all connected realities.
• Antimatter Manipulation: Antimatter Manipulation is the power to control Antimatter, a material composed of antiparticles.
• Quantum Manipulation: Ability associated with the manipulation of tiny indivisible portions (quanta) of a particular physical quantity.
  • Accelerated the generation of virtual particles and anti-particles by using the uncertainty principle[Superman/Batman #80])
    • Disagree with Anti-Matter Manipulation. Agree with Limited Quantum Manipulation via Heat Vision. Per Superman, his heat vision can excite a vacuum of space, accelerating the process of particle and antiparticles being generated in said vacuum.
• Fate Manipulation: Fate Manipulation is the ability to manipulate destiny itself to achieve a desired result. More subtle forms of the ability can simply nudge events in the users favor while more powerful variations can make it possible to ordain one's victory against their opponent.
  • His sheer will can influence the preordained flow of time[Superman: The Man of Steel Vol 1 #118])
    • Disagree. See above: That statement never say that Superman had the power to control fate, only that his selflessness and heroic actions had positive influence to the world around him.
• Up to Multiversal+ range for his enhanced senses
  • Noticed that all things in creation were being erased by Death[Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])
    • Disagree. See above: The statement never indicate that Superman was sensing the entire multiverse in that moment, at best he was refer to only the universe and even that its shaky at best, also it could count as Cosmic Awareness.
• Dimensional Travel
• Time Travel
  • Pushed through the barriers of space and time to return from a place he was sent to where past and future were merged and all events existed simultaneously[Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])
    • Neutral. Will have to reread the comic to verify.
• Reactive Evolution
  • Was at first affected by Disciple's beam that de-evolved everything millions of years back, which turned Superman into an ancestral form, but later gained an immunity to it and powered through the same beams[JLA: Primeval].
    • Seems okay, but change "immunity" to "resistance"
  • Developed a resistance to even magic mind control over time[Superman: The Man of Steel Annual 1].
    • Seems okay, but change to Empathic Manipulation resistance.
  • Built up an immunity to Silver Banshee's scream [Action Comics #662] when previously, he was affected by it and put into a coma[Action Comics #595])
    • Per the page, it's ambiguous as to the cause of the resistance, but I'll let it pass.
• Minor Paralysis Inducement
  • (See the pressure point justification's third scan)
    • Seems okay. add "Via Pressure Points
• Instinctive Reaction: Instinctive Action is the ability to act without the need for conscious thought. The actions need to be done through muscle memory, instinct, or any other means separated from the user's regular consciousness, like automatic magic that triggers on its own, technology set to act under set circumstances or regularly, supernatural forces maneuvering the user in some way, etc.
• Berserk Mode: A condition in which a character, due to any psychological or physical effects, falls into an uncontrollable rage.
  • Entered a state where fighting Imperiex Probes became primal nature, where he was focused on nothing but destroying them, unimpeded by other emotions[Adventures of Superman #594])
    • Instinctive Action seems okay.
    • Disagree with Berserk Mode. He's intentionally numbing himself, suppressing emotions. I wouldn't call it uncontrollable rage.
• BFR
  • Flied Batman far away to protect him[52 Aftermath: The Four Horsemen #2]
    • Seems okay. Add "Via flight"

Ok then. For the silver banshee one, is it ok if I say "possibly gained a resistance to her scream"?

 

[Firestorm808]

Ok then. For the silver banshee one, is it ok if I say "possibly gained a resistance to her scream"?

That's fine.

 

[Antvasima]

What Firestorm808 accepted can probably be applied, but not what he rejected.

 

[Eficiente]

I can look into this now. Can the op be updated with a "(X)" at the start of the rejected things?

 

[XXKINGXX69]

I can look into this now. Can the op be updated with a "(X)" at the start of the rejected things?

I crossed them out

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

 

[Eficiente]

• Up to Universal range for his enhanced senses (Noticed that all things in creation were being erased by Death [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])

See below.

• Dimensional Travel, Time Travel (Pushed through the barriers of space and time to return from a place he was sent to where past and future were merged and all events existed simultaneously [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?])

Well,

• the feat's too vague and it's unclear what even happening (Is the "place" an alt. dimension or just the future as he said? Is he dead and he revived himself? Is any of what he did a superpower he didn't show before or what Death did has as a weakness that it can be overcome via love & stuff?)
• and he didn't just pushed through the barriers of space and time, but memory and emotion, which is meaningless and may make the effort unquantifiable

I wouldn't agree myself.

Some of the stuff there is from Superman Where is Thy Sting?, which is actually a dream made manifest into a reality. Death put everyone else into a stasis, and in Action Comics #1030, Lois Lane referenced the events of the comic

So it is a dream. Well, that's something that makes all that inapplicable. Not only it can be argued that one can do things more freely in a dream, but context points this out too; Death isn't Death, but Supes' own death / a delusion / manifestation of things Supes was feeling, which can mean it was using its powers in a way that can allows Supes to do all that, or that that is the nature of its powers. Death says that in defeating it Super was defeating psychological demon in his mind, which can mean doing the latter leads to the former. Death asks to consider that there might be a place where mind and matter intersect; where that which hides in your dreams takes form, implying that is the place where they were before. Dreams & mind-based things becoming real at random is pretty clear on how this had no solid rules. Nothing from this comic should be added.

• Reactive Evolution (Was at first affected by Disciple's beam that de-evolved everything millions of years back, which turned Superman into an ancestral form, but later gained an immunity to it and powered through the same beams [JLA: Primeval]. Developed a resistance to even magic mind control over time [Superman: The Man of Steel Annual 1]. Built up an immunity to Silver Banshee's scream [Action Comics #662] when previously, he was affected by it and put into a coma [Action Comics #595])

Say "resistance" to that beam, not "immunity", it takes him effort to do that.

I would word the second as "By experience, he stated to have "developed a resistance" of sorts against magic mind control, although it is minor".

The last one is worded wrong, Supes and Sirius Black say something else about what's happening: After being affected by Silver Banshee's scream and put into a coma [Action Comics #595], he either built up an immunity to it, was magically protected, or it was "a bit of both" [Action Comics #662]

I updated the wording in the Reactive Evolution page some time ago; you will find that this is Adaptation instead.

• Instinctive Reaction and Berserk Mode (Entered a state where fighting Imperiex Probes became primal nature, where he was focused on nothing but destroying them, unimpeded by other emotions [Adventures of Superman #594])

That's not Instinctive Reaction, not minding other emotions and putting too much focus on destroying isn't that.

• Spatial Manipulation (Took a blast from Gog's spear which tore open a hole/portal to Hypertime, breaching its walls.[106]

There is no reason to say this weren't separated things, the blast on its own and its ability to make a portal/hole not being offensive.

• Existence Erasure, Conceptual Manipulation (Could resist being erased from reality by Mxy.

Scans and source?

• Survived Darkseid's Omega Beams while he was attempting to kill him, [New Gods Vol 4. #10] which can erase New Gods[18] who are Platonic Forms[19)

He wasn't attempting to kill him, just bully him. Darkseid can do many things with his Omega Beams.

• Death Manipulation, Age Manipulation (Overcame death inducement from his archetypal shadow of death [Superman: Where is Thy Sting?]. See Reactive Evolution)

See above.

• Causality Manipulation (The Time Trapper's powers cannot erase Superman from history [Final Crisis: Legion of Three Worlds #5].

Well, I see it far more likely that there is a mechanic/weakness to his power that makes it so people like Superman can't be erased due to having been influencing history for centuries; hence he leads by pointing that out, which doesn't at all sound like a resistance Supes himself has but simply a side effect of that fact.

• Can survive being erased from history by Mxy)

Scans and source?

 

[TokiNoOuja]

I agree

 

[Antvasima]

@Eficiente @Firestorm808

What do you think should be done here?

 

[XXKINGXX69]

@Eficiente @Firestorm808

What do you think should be done here?

Eficiente already said the stuff he accepted can be added

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Can somebody write a summary please?

 

[XXKINGXX69]

See below.

Well,

• the feat's too vague and it's unclear what even happening (Is the "place" an alt. dimension or just the future as he said? Is he dead and he revived himself? Is any of what he did a superpower he didn't show before or what Death did has as a weakness that it can be overcome via love & stuff?)
• and he didn't just pushed through the barriers of space and time, but memory and emotion, which is meaningless and may make the effort unquantifiable

I wouldn't agree myself.

So it is a dream. Well, that's something that makes all that inapplicable. Not only it can be argued that one can do things more freely in a dream, but context points this out too; Death isn't Death, but Supes' own death / a delusion / manifestation of things Supes was feeling, which can mean it was using its powers in a way that can allows Supes to do all that, or that that is the nature of its powers. Death says that in defeating it Super was defeating psychological demon in his mind, which can mean doing the latter leads to the former. Death asks to consider that there might be a place where mind and matter intersect; where that which hides in your dreams takes form, implying that is the place where they were before. Dreams & mind-based things becoming real at random is pretty clear on how this had no solid rules. Nothing from this comic should be added.

Say "resistance" to that beam, not "immunity", it takes him effort to do that.

I would word the second as "By experience, he stated to have "developed a resistance" of sorts against magic mind control, although it is minor".

The last one is worded wrong, Supes and Sirius Black say something else about what's happening: After being affected by Silver Banshee's scream and put into a coma [Action Comics #595], he either built up an immunity to it, was magically protected, or it was "a bit of both" [Action Comics #662]

I updated the wording in the Reactive Evolution page some time ago; you will find that this is Adaptation instead.

That's not Instinctive Reaction, not minding other emotions and putting too much focus on destroying isn't that.

There is no reason to say this weren't separated things, the blast on its own and its ability to make a portal/hole not being offensive.

Scans and source?

He wasn't attempting to kill him, just bully him. Darkseid can do many things with his Omega Beams.

See above.


Scans and source?

His spatial manipulation was offensive, it made a hole in space in that wall. Its not confirmed that Death was a delusion, that was Superman's speculation which Death himself didn't agree with. Same for the psychological demon thing. I don't know why dreams being turned physical means this comic had no solid rules, that's an arbitrary assumption

Well, I see it far more likely that there is a mechanic/weakness to his power that makes it so people like Superman can't be erased due to having been influencing history for centuries; hence he leads by pointing that out, which doesn't at all sound like a resistance Supes himself has but simply a side effect of that fact.

Him gaining a resistance to being erased from history because he was too important for history is still a resistance. The things I didn't have scans for are already on the profile

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Okay. Can somebody write a summary please?

I crossed out all the abilities that were disagreed except the stuff with death and causality manipulation that I responded to in the above comment

 

[Antvasima]

I crossed out all the abilities that were disagreed except the stuff with death and causality manipulation that I responded to in the above comment

Okay. That seems good.

Is it fine if the other suggested abilities are applied, @Firestorm808 and @Eficiente ?

 

[Firestorm808]

Seems okay.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Seems fine

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you for helping out.

It is probably fine to apply now then.