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KH Sora Intelligence Rewrite

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Another small revision as I'm busy off-site, so may as well let stuff gather some thoughts in the meantime.

So basically, Sora's intelligence section is really outdated, currently it's a composite from back when I didn't even touch KH and Sora was basically composite'd from all the games in a single key, so now I'm here to try to do better.

Pre-Keyblade:
Average, while Sora has played with a wood sword to play with his friends for a while, he's still remarked on mainly swinging it like a toy, and lacks experience in general, but has still been able to keep pace with Riku, somebody slightly older, at the time. Besides combat, while Sora has been only been in Destiny Islands, and so is quite unaware of much else, the fact Kairi was confirmed to go to school a bit after the start of KHII implies Sora was subject to an educative system.
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KHI:
Gifted, Sora has teached himself a variety of Keyblade techniques, magical spells, and supporting abilities that have served him well on his journeys in just a few months, even being compared to Keyblade Masters, which when trained formally take years to even be considered as such. Sora has also traveled across several Worlds alongside Donald Duck and Goofy, and so is experienced with several kinds of cultures and ways to blend in them without disrupting their order, although he forgets to do so at times regardless, while also having fought countless foes on a wide variety of enviroments such as while airbone, grounded and underwater. Sora could also eventually grasp how to drive the Gummi Ship, an inter-universal travel device to travel between the Worlds in the Ocean Between.
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KHCoM:
Gifted, even when Sora lost most of his memories as a side effect of Naminé messing with them at nearly the start, Sora managed to regain most of his former abilities by reinventing them from the start, even discovering more advanced techniques such as Lethal Frame and Ultimate-Class magic spells like Mega Flare, all while also mastering the unique card system all attacks are bound to in Castle Oblivion to his advantage, and learning to use large waves of homing attacks like Firaga Burst. Sora also managed to defeat some of the stronger members of Organization XIII like Marluxia and Larxene, the latter of which is regarded as one of the fastest characters in the series.
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KHII:
Gifted, Sora is remarked as a master swordman not long after the start of this journey. Sora has also shown the ability to perfectly replicate attacks after seeing them a single time, showing heightened combat awareness and dynamic thinking skills, which is denoted in his capability to dual-wield Keyblades. He has even proven himself capable of using his opponent's weapons against them, utilizing Saix's Claymore, throwing Marluxia's own scythe at him while dealing with a death timer, backfiring Luxord's law-based "games" and stealing Roxas's Keyblades, notably triple-wielding Keyblades in the process. Sora has also shown a solid capability of teamwork, being able to consistently combine his strength with that of allies like Tron, Simba, Auron and Riku, most notably deflecting countless lasers at once from all directions alongside Riku. Also, despite his kind nature, he is not easily swayed by his foes' sweet words. While Sora was fooled on Mulan pretending to be a boy early on, he quickly saw past Xemnas's attempts to paint himself as the victim (which was far more convincing than Mulan's disguise) and perceived him for the monster that he is and proceeded to defeat him alongside Riku. Sora could also keep up with Lingering Will, who had power directly comparable to Keyblade Masters and could defeat Braig, who had several generations of experience as formerly Luxu, and is stated to have used his Keyblade with more ease than Sora, even mastering the usage of several weapons from his transformed Keyblade, yet Sora could still keep up with Drive Forms and teamwork with summons.
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KH3D:
Gifted, while Sora lost most of his powers for the Mark of Mastery exam, he still quickly learned from the start how to use Flowmotion, allowing him to become considerably more acrobatic while also making the most of his enviroment (such as jumping on Xemnas' barriers to reach and hit him), while also eventually grasping even more advanced magic, going to the first time using -za level magic with Zero Graviza, and being capable to defeat Xemnas on his own, and react to Xigbar's lasers instinctively. Sora also grasped a considerable amount of information from Yen Sid, such as the nature of Dream Eaters and Sleeping Worlds, the relation between the Princesses of Heart to Kingdom Hearts and the Keyblade War.
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KHIII:
Genius, not only has Sora quickly learned the usage of each Formchange of his Keyblade as soon as he got each one, Sora has mastered literally hundreds of techniques and is more than skilled to combine them for efficient and smooth results, ranging from close quarters combat to shooting and the usage of several kinds of large weapons and vehicles, often even dual-wielding and targeting tens of targets at once from all directions, from his Keyblade transformations, rendering him pretty unpredictable and adaptable to virtually any situation, with opponents often being unable to even escape a combo if they can't use significant mobility alternatives like Flight or Teleportation. People from the age of fairy tales consider the powers of beings of the future like Sora as "unimaginable forces", and with the medals, they call upon his power to copy his moves, thus rendering him as a prominent historical figure in Keyblade usage. After losing most of his powers again at the start, he eventually became even stronger than before, being capable of bringing down formally trained Keyblade Masters like Aqua in little time, Sora also eventually took down most of the new Organisation XIII, being capable to fight even 13 opponents on his level at once while also having to worry about lasers targeting him at the same time in the final fight against Xehanort, who is stated to be arguably the most powerful Keyblade wielder, Sora could even continue standing against Xehanort even while having to fight underwater or in the air, and could analyze Yozora's attack patterns to find unconventional openings to abuse even while being pressured by other attacks. A digital copy of Sora also managed to deflect Xemnas' laser dome on his own, which is a wave of lasers from all directions Sora previously had to synchronize with Riku to deflect together.
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The idea of separating Sora's Intelligence section into keys seems fine to me since Sora did improve his combat skills and gathered experience with the passage of time. So, about Sora's Pre-Keyblade's Below Average wouldn't the justification of Sora's Intelligence rating in this key about being unaware of much else due to having only been in Destiny Islands also apply to every other character we have encountered there? Based on the scenes from that world in KHII they do seem to have an education system there.
 
Yes, that'd be the case for Pre-Keyblade Riku and Kairi as well.
Hmm, yeah, given that Sora knows how to count and read it'd be safe to claim he had to go to school before, so I'd say it'd be Average all around then.
 
BoS Sora isn't stupid, so I don't see why should he be Below Average.

Everything's fine, tho I'd mention how he faced plenty of different creatures with a variety of powers and in several environments, as well as naming the people he has matched and/or defeated.

KHIII puzzles me a little, are we sure Sora can access literally hundreds of techniques? Also, characters being unable to escape his combos without special powers sounds a little game mechanich-ish, but the combos themselves are legit.
 
SamanPatou said:
BoS Sora isn't stupid, so I don't see why should he be Below Average.

Everything's fine, tho I'd mention how he faced plenty of different creatures with a variety of powers and in several environments, as well as naming the people he has matched and/or defeated.

KHIII puzzles me a little, are we sure Sora can access literally hundreds of techniques? Also, characters being unable to escape his combos without special powers sounds a little game mechanich-ish, but the combos themselves are legit.
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Yeah, I rewrote that accordingly, but more feats to bring up are welcome.

Sure, I've rewritten the OP accordingly, more specific examples are also welcome if any notable is missing.

I bothered counting the amount of moves he has per Formchange, the total actually reaches the hundreds (why do you think Sora has over 500 gifs on his page?), and that's ignoring magic, summons and etc. Base alone has over 50 moves.

Well, while I can see why and all, we currently take item cancel as a canon thing as it's mentioned in the KHIII Ultimania, that combined with the fact endless combos are possible with that, leaving at a side Revenge Value on bosses, which is a game mechanic that still showcases their capability to leave a combo with their own powers at a certain point in any case, unlike regular Heartless for example, like how while HP isn't a thing in canon and all, the concept of health is still a thing, in plain terms.
Leading into that at least being a thing within his capability, which makes sense when all characters that are remotely comparable have the capability to leave a combo by teleporting or pushing themselves away, which doesn't happen with stuff like regular Heartless as said before, and it'd also fit with the consistent skill curve as the series has progressed.

Endless combos also aren't unheard of in the rest of the series, KHI has Stopga spam, KHCoM has Lethal Frame (Which is already known in here for its overpowered resistance negation on time stop), KHII has Chicken Little and Magnega, KH3D has Zero Graviza and Stop and so on, but I wouldn't label most of these as significant skill feats to say the least, but in any case it's a common thing on the series to claim it's intended at this point, at least for opponents without countermeasures, as much as an ability is overpowered in the average verse but isn't on a certain one out of there being some countermeasures.
 
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SamanPatou said:
BoS Sora isn't stupid, so I don't see why should he be Below Average.

Everything's fine, tho I'd mention how he faced plenty of different creatures with a variety of powers and in several environments, as well as naming the people he has matched and/or defeated.

KHIII puzzles me a little, are we sure Sora can access literally hundreds of techniques? Also, characters being unable to escape his combos without special powers sounds a little game mechanich-ish, but the combos themselves are legit.
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Bump.

BTW, I made considerable additions to the OP in the meantime.
 
SamanPatou said:
BoS Sora isn't stupid, so I don't see why should he be Below Average.

Everything's fine, tho I'd mention how he faced plenty of different creatures with a variety of powers and in several environments, as well as naming the people he has matched and/or defeated.

KHIII puzzles me a little, are we sure Sora can access literally hundreds of techniques? Also, characters being unable to escape his combos without special powers sounds a little game mechanich-ish, but the combos themselves are legit.
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Uh... bump?
If you don't have objections or would prefer to leave the evaluation to others, feel free to mention.
 
Bobsican said:
Uh... bump?
If you don't have objections or would prefer to leave the evaluation to others, feel free to mention.
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Well, both me and SamanPatou already approve of the basic idea of separating Sora's Intelligence section into keys, so the only thing that's left to do here is to work out the details.
 
The question is what is still to evaluate on the OP, or if it's fine as is to apply.
 
I may as well post something more to back up the stuff on the KHIII key.

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(From the KHIII Ultimania, top left paragraph on the image)

Many of the attack methods are the same as certain techniques used when transforming other keyblades. It is also possible to attack while evading, or to launch powerful guard counters.
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And needless to say, Nano Arms features moves from Storm Flag, Clock Drill, Blizzard Claws, Twin Yo-Yos and Hyper Hammer, that plus Rocket Fist and the "default" sword form gives a total of 7 usable forms, which inherently shows how creative and skilled Sora is on mixing techniques of several weapons without player skill being a factor (at least as much as mashing the attack button is, which is kinda expected in the series with how combo sequences work in general).

Maybe I could even argue for Extraordinary Genius as the Formchange itself is heavily implied to work based on nanotechnology (name of the Keyblade, the name of the Formchange and a good chunk of its moves, plus the entire context on being from San Fransokyo, where Sora faced the Darkubes, a "shape-shifting swarm of nasty bots" which is basically the Real Org XIII mixing up Hiro's microbots with a Heartless (As much as they've reached the original Baymax beforehand), which are talked in-universe as reminding of Hiro's microbots too, and yes, the original Big Hero 6 film is canon to KH) which would totally fall as "creating extremely advanced futuristic technology" as they'd come from Sora's Keyblade. We even accept it as Nanotechnology on Sora's page currently.
 
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Maybe I could even argue for Extraordinary Genius as the Formchange itself is heavily implied to work based on nanotechnology (name of the Keyblade, the name of the Formchange and a good chunk of its moves, plus the entire context on being from San Fransokyo, where Sora faced the Darkubes, a "shape-shifting swarm of nasty bots" which is basically the Real Org XIII mixing up Hiro's microbots with a Heartless (As much as they've reached the original Baymax beforehand), which are talked in-universe as reminding of Hiro's microbots too, and yes, the original Big Hero 6 film is canon to KH) which would totally fall as "creating extremely advanced futuristic technology" as they'd come from Sora's Keyblade. We even accept it as Nanotechnology on Sora's page currently.
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The nanotechnology is presumably a result of the Keyblade's powers and not Sora's intelligence, so I wouldn't give him the Extraordinary Genius rating for that.
 
SamanPatou said:
BoS Sora isn't stupid, so I don't see why should he be Below Average.

Everything's fine, tho I'd mention how he faced plenty of different creatures with a variety of powers and in several environments, as well as naming the people he has matched and/or defeated.

KHIII puzzles me a little, are we sure Sora can access literally hundreds of techniques? Also, characters being unable to escape his combos without special powers sounds a little game mechanich-ish, but the combos themselves are legit.
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bump.
 
Oh well, in lack of better options I suppose we'll have to rely on input from others
 
Bump.
If there's no objections at this point I suppose I could apply the stuff soon.
 
Count me in for agreeing to changing sora's intelligence. But I aint gonna lie. I got a few things I'd like to ask since while I have played the games maybe there are other things I don't know. So as I've read, Sora's intellingence has improved as time goes on. Now I agree on that. But from what I read, I honestly think KH1 and CoM Sora can be actually gifted or at least gifted in combat. A lot of the feats that I'm seeing here are a lot more impressive than the tiers they're in. I honestly think that should qualify for gifted in KH1-COM since he
  • Was able to be comparable at the level of masters in a just a few months of getting a keyblade. Meanwhile talented and skilled Keyblade wielders like Terra and Aqua had to train for like years to be considered for the test of Mark of Mastery.
  • He definitely shown high reasoning skills in combat considering he was self-taught
  • Plus correct me if I'm wrong but during KHCOM wasn't he weaker due to him having like only half a heart? And he was still skilled enough to beat strong Organization 13 members while under the effect of the card system which was also a new thing that Sora had to adapt to and this man got the hang of it in wicked timing same way how he was when it came to magic in KH1.
 
Hmmm... Gifted does work here with that in mind, thanks for pointing out, I'm somewhat of a newbie on intelligence indexing.

Uh... nope, he lost his powers out of losing the memories, but the physical capability was still around the same. Sure, Sora lost his body and soul at nearly the end of KHI, but Kairi recompleted him anyways, and Roxas simply grew a heart separately from Sora's influence for these purposes, the rest is quite valid as CoM Sora does scale quite above KHI Sora out of indirectly upscaling to Final Form Xion.

With that in mind, I've gone ahead and updated the OP accordingly.
 
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Uh... nope, he lost his powers out of losing the memories, but the physical capability was still around the same. Sure, Sora lost his body and soul at nearly the end of KHI, but Kairi recompleted him anyways, and Roxas simply grew a heart separately from Sora's influence for these purposes, the rest is quite valid as CoM Sora does scale quite above KHI Sora out of indirectly upscaling to Final Form Xion.
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I don't see anything on Sora's profile saying that he is upscaling from Final Form Xion.
 
CoM Sora scales to Riku Replica, which scales to Riku, which scales to Lexaeus, which is stated by WoG to be stronger than Xion
 
Yeah, I recall that was already accepted in the past multiplier CRT either way.

Anyways, is the stuff good to go now?
 
This thread has been going for weeks with no considerable objections at this point, plus even has staff approval, so it'd be safe to apply now.
 
Bobsican said:
Uh... nope, he lost his powers out of losing the memories, but the physical capability was still around the same. Sure, Sora lost his body and soul at nearly the end of KHI, but Kairi recompleted him anyways, and Roxas simply grew a heart separately from Sora's influence for these purposes, the rest is quite valid as CoM Sora does scale quite above KHI Sora out of indirectly upscaling to Final Form Xion.
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Ohhh ok, I thought he was weaker since I think I had saw in his feats part of the profile it said something like "had half a heart when fighting xenmas" since he was like incomplete without roxas and since COM was before 2 I thought he was weaker. my bad lol. But since he's gonna be gifted, Another thing I may wanna talk about would be KH2 and onwards. Being able to replicate moves after seeing it once(this includes hax abilities not just physical moves which should be even more complicated since you adding special abilites in there too), countering other people's abilities and using their own weapons against them in impressive ways, and considering the fact that he is gifted before and he learned EVEN MORE stuff ngl in my honest opinion I can see him being qualified for Genius or at the very least Combat Genius from 2 and onward.
 
Well, the page did already list him as "Combat Genius" or so based on stuff from KHII and before for the most part, so that should be fine, especially with the higher amount of feats and stuff added.

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There's something more I'd like to talk about that still concerns this matter.

I've noticed there's some stuff to argue that Sora (KHII onwards) should have Extraordinary Genius intelligence, especially since now one can qualify there with feats outside academic fields per-say, namely:


Of course, I'd have to ask thoughts on the above, and as for the inteligence ratings outside fighting and stuff, we do have:

Pre-Keyblade:
  • Collected the items Kairi requested for the raft to leave Destiny Islands
  • Can abuse shortcuts to beat Riku in a race

KHI:
  • Can pilot the Gummi Ship, a interdimensional spaceship
  • Can swing on vines in Deep Jungle and slide on trees
  • Can follow up the original Black Ballade even if it moves a lot between its clones. Of note is that it isn't affected if the clones are hit, rather than the real deal

KHCoM:

KHII:

KH3D:
  • Used the ramp that was originally abandoned in KHI to leave Destiny Islands alongside Riku
  • Sora's programming got notably improved and could restore Rinzler back into Tron, there's also the respective Reality Shift where Sora can reprogram enemies to make them self-destruct, become allies or disrupt their actions
  • Could raise pets (Dream Eaters)
  • Can battle while sky-diving

KHIII:
  • Can proeficiently dance (the Kingdom of Corona thing, the Situation Command where Sora grabs a barrel and dances for money from people watching)
  • Can skate along the ground as if it was ice with Blizzard Blades
  • Can slide down a snow mountain alongside Donald and Goofy
  • Learned about harvesting with Pooh and company
  • Has experience from a professional chef (Remy) regarding cooking, and on that matter he's also smart enought to collect edible things on the wild in several worlds
  • Can pilot a ship across the Caribbean
  • Has photographed carefully the Orange Flan even while having a 7 photo limit, Moogles have also bothered requesting Sora photos of several things across the worlds, and there's also Sora taking photos of bosses mid-attack, and while the last one is of dubious canonicity for obvious reasons, the existence of the Frontline Photographer ability would somewhat imply otherwise

Now where the above would fall is up to debate, but I can say for sure the Intelligence rating for the Pre-Keyblade key isn't changing much.
I'm also considering moving this topic to another thread as the main topic of this thread was already concluded and all, namely to make the current topic easier to follow.
 
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Bobsican said:
There's something more I'd like to talk about that still concerns this matter.

I've noticed there's some stuff to argue that Sora (KHII onwards) should have Extraordinary Genius intelligence, especially since now one can qualify there with feats outside academic fields per-say, namely:


Of course, I'd have to ask thoughts on the above, and as for the inteligence ratings outside fighting and stuff, we do have:

Pre-Keyblade:
  • Collected the items Kairi requested for the raft to leave Destiny Islands
  • Can abuse shortcuts to beat Riku in a race

KHI:
  • Can pilot the Gummi Ship, a interdimensional spaceship
  • Can swing on vines in Deep Jungle and slide on trees
  • Can follow up the original Black Ballade even if it moves a lot between its clones. Of note is that it isn't affected if the clones are hit, rather than the real deal

KHCoM:

KHII:

KH3D:
  • Used the ramp that was originally abandoned in KHI to leave Destiny Islands alongside Riku
  • Sora's programming got notably improved and could restore Rinzler back into Tron, there's also the respective Reality Shift where Sora can reprogram enemies to make them self-destruct, become allies or disrupt their actions
  • Could raise pets (Dream Eaters)
  • Can battle while sky-diving

KHIII:
  • Can proeficiently dance (the Kingdom of Corona thing, the Situation Command where Sora grabs a barrel and dances for money from people watching)
  • Can skate along the ground as if it was ice with Blizzard Blades
  • Can slide down a snow mountain alongside Donald and Goofy
  • Learned about harvesting with Pooh and company
  • Has experience from a professional chef (Remy) regarding cooking, and on that matter he's also smart enought to collect edible things on the wild in several worlds
  • Can pilot a ship across the Caribbean
  • Has photographed carefully the Orange Flan even while having a 7 photo limit, Moogles have also bothered requesting Sora photos of several things across the worlds, and there's also Sora taking photos of bosses mid-attack, and while the last one is of dubious canonicity for obvious reasons, the existence of the Frontline Photographer ability would somewhat imply otherwise

Now where the above would fall is up to debate, but I can say for sure the Intelligence rating for the Pre-Keyblade key isn't changing much.
I'm also considering moving this topic to another thread as the main topic of this thread was already concluded and all, namely to make the current topic easier to follow.
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@Elizhaa @Dereck03 @SamanPatou @Nehz_XZX

What do you think about this?
 
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Isn't this just game mechanics? I can take any other character and do the same thing. And even if it wasn't, being able to synchronize with simple dance moves for a few seconds would never be proof of an Extraordinary Genius feat and it's not even proof of an scaling chain..
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This may be Genius combatant. Or if we want to play it more safe, then At Least Gifted, likely/possibly Genius.
Bobsican said:
  • Collected the items Kairi requested for the raft to leave Destiny Islands
  • Can abuse shortcuts to beat Riku in a race
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Eh, since I don't know anything about the game, I don't know how difficult the items are to collect. Normally I would rate this as Average or Above Average depending on the difficulty.
Bobsican said:
  • Can pilot the Gummi Ship, a interdimensional spaceship
  • Can swing on vines in Deep Jungle and slide on trees
  • Can follow up the original Black Ballade even if it moves a lot between its clones. Of note is that it isn't affected if the clones are hit, rather than the real deal
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Depending on the complexity of piloting the interdimensional spaceship, this could be At least Above Average, likely Gifted.
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This is just Average. Nothing extraordinary enough to warrant anything else.
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At least Average, likely Above Average should work here, tho i'm not sure.
Bobsican said:
  • Used the ramp that was originally abandoned in KHI to leave Destiny Islands alongside Riku
  • Sora's programming got notably improved and could restore Rinzler back into Tron, there's also the respective Reality Shift where Sora can reprogram enemies to make them self-destruct, become allies or disrupt their actions
  • Could raise pets (Dream Eaters)
  • Can battle while sky-diving
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Here only the programming feat I would put at a level of Above Average (Since programming is not that difficult, I can even do it at a decent level), tho as I said previously I don't know about the game and I don't know how complex "X" thing is, so depending on the complexity it can be At least Above Average, likely Gifted or just Gifted.
Bobsican said:
  • Can proeficiently dance (the Kingdom of Corona thing, the Situation Command where Sora grabs a barrel and dances for money from people watching)
  • Can skate along the ground as if it was ice with Blizzard Blades
  • Can slide down a snow mountain alongside Donald and Goofy
  • Learned about harvesting with Pooh and company
  • Has experience from a professional chef (Remy) regarding cooking, and on that matter he's also smart enought to collect edible things on the wild in several worlds
  • Can pilot a ship across the Caribbean
  • Has photographed carefully the Orange Flan even while having a 7 photo limit, Moogles have also bothered requesting Sora photos of several things across the worlds, and there's also Sora taking photos of bosses mid-attack, and while the last one is of dubious canonicity for obvious reasons, the existence of the Frontline Photographer ability would somewhat imply otherwise
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Above Average.
 
Dereck03 said:
Isn't this just game mechanics? I can take any other character and do the same thing. And even if it wasn't, being able to synchronize with simple dance moves for a few seconds would never be proof of an Extraordinary Genius feat and it's not even proof of an scaling chain..

This may be Genius combatant. Or if we want to play it more safe, then At Least Gifted, likely/possibly Genius.

Eh, since I don't know anything about the game, I don't know how difficult the items are to collect. Normally I would rate this as Average or Above Average depending on the difficulty.

Depending on the complexity of piloting the interdimensional spaceship, this could be At least Above Average, likely Gifted.

This is just Average. Nothing extraordinary enough to warrant anything else.

At least Average, likely Above Average should work here, tho i'm not sure.

Here only the programming feat I would put at a level of Above Average (Since programming is not that difficult, I can even do it at a decent level), tho as I said previously I don't know about the game and I don't know how complex "X" thing is, so depending on the complexity it can be At least Above Average, likely Gifted or just Gifted.

Above Average.
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Eh, why would it be game mechanics to begin with? The player inputs are very simple to the point mistakes are basically impossible beyond just doing nothing, which'd lead into a safe claim of that being at least plausible in-universe in terms of portrayal intent, however, I do agree with the rest of the claim in regards of it not really being a feat to scale intelligence like that or similar.
TBH Genius would fit more then, keep in mind that on that regard there was also the first post in the thread (the OP) listing combat feats as is, and that was just some extra to potentially push higher, that rating was also already accepted before, so there should be no issue on this regard.

Now, onto the non-combat intelligence stuff:

Pre-Keyblade:

Most complicated stuff includes having to push a rock for a mushroom, and swimming to collect fish, TBH Average would be best as the area he explores isn't too big or anything.

KHI:

The complexity is never really elaborated on, but it definitely isn't intuitive as Sora was reckless enought to try with no prior idea early-on and made it crash-land, but there's also the matter of having to aim with it to shoot away hostile ships and stuff.

KHCoM:

Okay, Average sounds fine, although I'd think previous stuff should be inherited, so it may be higher.

KHII:

Above Average seems a minimal here IMO for the before-mentioned reasons.

KH3D:

As the link shows, Sora doesn't appear to have access to the source code, but rather directly changes raw code that's changing in real time (which could probably be compared to RAM editing and Arbitrary Code Execution), so it isn't as intuitive as regular programming respectively.

KHIII:

Same thoughts as what I gave in the KHII section above.
 
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Bobsican said:
Eh, why would it be game mechanics to begin with? The player inputs are very simple to the point mistakes are basically impossible beyond just doing nothing, which'd lead into a safe claim of that being at least plausible in-universe in terms of portrayal intent, however, I do agree with the rest of the claim in regards of it not really being a feat to scale intelligence like that or similar.
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Aight.
Bobsican said:
TBH Genius would fit more then, keep in mind that on that regard there was also the first post in the thread (the OP) listing combat feats as is, and that was just some extra to potentially push higher, that rating was also already accepted before, so there should be no issue on this regard.
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I haven't read the OP, i just take a look to what Ant called me. But ig Genius Combatant should be fine.
Bobsican said:
Most complicated stuff includes having to push a rock for a mushroom, and swimming to collect fish, TBH Average would be best as the area he explores isn't too big or anything.
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Average then.
Bobsican said:
The complexity is never really elaborated on, but it definitely isn't intuitive as Sora was reckless enought to try with no prior idea early-on and made it crash-land, but there's also the matter of having to aim with it to shoot away hostile ships and stuff.
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Above Average, likely Gifted then.
Bobsican said:
Okay, Average sounds fine, although I'd think previous stuff should be inherited, so it may be higher.
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I'd prefer to leave it as just Average.
Bobsican said:
Above Average seems a minimal here IMO for the before-mentioned reasons.
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Above Average then.
Bobsican said:
As the link shows, Sora doesn't appear to have access to the source code, but rather directly changes raw code that's changing in real time (which could probably be compared to RAM editing and Arbitrary Code Execution), so it isn't as intuitive as regular programming respectively.
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Gifted then? tho I'm still leaning towards Above Average, likely Gifted.
Bobsican said:
Same thoughts as what I gave in the KHII section above.
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i already said Above Average so yes
Antvasima said:
Thank you for helping out, Dereck.
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Np.
 
Also, keep in mind all of that stuff happened between a bit more than a year (or in his perspective months as he slept for a year out of plot reasons), so it'd be safe to claim Sora still remembers all of that, and so the intelligence rating should be higher as time goes on (here's the timeline order: Pre-Keyblade -> KHI -> KHCoM -> KHII -> KH3D -> KHIII)
 
Well, it's up to you how you want to handle that specific issue. I already gave the intelligence rating of each version of sora according to the feats.
 
Separating Sora's combat intelligence from the intelligence he displays outside of combat is fine to me. I also agree with the idea that the intelligence feats from Sora's prior keys would apply to his later keys since there is nothing indicating that Sora is losing his prior intelligence and the later keys come chronologically after the prior keys.
 
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