Batman (Post-Crisis) AP Upgrade

[Hellbeast]

peak human moment

It’s actually hilarious too since it’s consistent

Correct, the fight is also very back and forth, in fact Bane is straight up killing Batman until he gets a flashback of his dead parents.

Yep; plus that’s him off Venom so I think the superiority scaling is thete

Azrael is physically stronger than the Batman family but not to a point where Batman and Jean Paul aren't relative, Batman has knocked him out cold in the past lol.

True but my point was more reflection Bane
Even if Azrael is equal to Bruce him getting ribs crushed and being stone walled by Bane kinda contradicts the idea Bruce is > Bane by any metric

 

[ItalianGuy1234]

It’s actually hilarious too since it’s consistent

Yep; plus that’s him off Venom so I think the superiority scaling is thete

True but my point was more reflection Bane
Even if Azrael is equal to Bruce him getting ribs crushed and being stone walled by Bane kinda contradicts the idea Bruce is > Bane by any metric

Batman, Bane and Azrael should just be listed as relative, imo.

 

[Hellbeast]

I’m fine with that
My point is Bruce isn’t outright stronger then Bane and Venom could prolly upscale to 8-C

 

[Transcending]

Batman didn't defeat Bane off panel, the fight actually happened on screen in another story Batman Legacy. Batman: Bane picks

Are you referring to this?

Even if Azrael is equal to Bruce him getting ribs crushed and being stone walled by Bane kinda contradicts the idea Bruce is > Bane by any metric

Azrael defeated Bane on three separate occasions.

It’s actually hilarious too since it’s consistent

Even if Bane did do better than Batman against one fight, that wouldn't make it consistent. There are more fights of Batman doing better as I showed.

Batman, Bane and Azrael should just be listed as relative, imo.

Agree.

 

[Hellbeast]

Azrael defeated Bane on three separate occasions.

1) The first fight outright has Azrael mention Bane has the edge in strength and durability and he has to outright exploit Bane's temper and addiction to Venom with mindgames. It's certainly a Win but not outright and doesn't disprove my point
2) If this is the fight I recall Bane was badly fatigued here and later actively experiences withdrawal symptoms from Azrael cutting the Venom supply
It's clearly not a win borne of strength at all so I don't know what this argument involves
3) Not much to say this one works

Even if Bane did do better than Batman against one fight, that wouldn't make it consistent. There are more fights of Batman doing better as I showed.

You've brought up a fight where Bane is defeated after an extensive fight and claimed it was off panel and also used a statement that's outright contradicted by Bane's showings while then using that to advocate an 8-C upgrade upscaling from Bruce's own feats.
The middle one is the only one that holds real weight to it and it shows them as mostly relative; something you yourself agree with.

My point was mainly Bane with Venom needs to be 8-C going by his base scaling rather then the erroneus High 8-C, I agree with Bane being relative to Bruce if not slightly stronger so idk why we're arguing that since the result is the same ultimately.

 

[Transcending]

You've brought up a fight where Bane is defeated after an extensive fight and claimed it was off panel

Yes because I didn't know this was the continuation of a fight.

also used a statement that's outright contradicted by Bane's showings

It isn't and that's my point. Check post #13.

The middle one is the only one that holds real weight to it

I said this

fought him again later in the same comic having an advantage

Not sure why that doesn't hold any weight.

I will drop the argument since the result is the same.

 

[Antvasima]

So should we use "8-C" or "At least 8-C" for Venom-powered Bane?

I am fine with base level Bane having roughly the same statistics as Batman.

 

[Hellbeast]

8-C works

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

So should we use "8-C" or "At least 8-C" for Venom-powered Bane?

I am fine with base level Bane having roughly the same statistics as Batman.

Just "8-C" since his unquantifiable amp is the reason he's upscaling to that value, I believe.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. To me that seems fine to apply then.

 

[LordTracer]

If nobody minds, I’ll apply the changes.

 

[Antvasima]

That is fine to me at least. Thank you for helping out.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Yup, should be good.

 

[LordTracer]

Alright, changes have been applied.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Good job, I'll close this then.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Sorry, but I just noticed something. Shouldn't Bane's LS also be adjusted to match the new revision? His LS section still uses the 10x statement.

At least Class 10 (Venom increases his strength tenfold)

Also, does Venom-Amped Bane really need to be a separate key? I thought keys were reserved for different versions of the character, not for amps.

 

[Antvasima]

Sorry, but I just noticed something. Shouldn't Bane's LS also be adjusted to match the new revision? His LS section still uses the 10x statement.

That is fine, yes.

Also, does Venom-Amped Bane really need to be a separate key? I thought keys were reserved for different versions of the character, not for amps.

It doesn't really seem to matter either way in this particular case. We usually tend to compress different power-ups into single keys due to lack of space for manga/anime protagonists that gradually grow in power, and the like. However, I think that Bane has not consistently used Venom during his career, so again, a separate key doesn't really seem like a problem.

 

[LordTracer]

Sorry, but I just noticed something. Shouldn't Bane's LS also be adjusted to match the new revision? His LS section still uses the 10x statement.

Oh my bad, I forgot to change that.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

It doesn't really seem to matter either way in this particular case. We usually tend to compress different power-ups into single keys due to lack of space for manga/anime protagonists that gradually grow in power, and the like. However, I think that Bane has not consistently used Venom during his career, so again, a separate key doesn't really seem like a problem.

Fair enough.

Oh my bad, I forgot to change that.

All good, don't worry about it.

 

[ItalianGuy1234]

@Transcending Yes, that fight. If you have the Batman Legacy tpb the Batman: Bane one shot is at the end of the book iirc

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

Well, since the issue was fixed, I'll close this once again.

 

[Transcending]

Yes, that fight. If you have the Batman Legacy tpb the Batman: Bane one shot is at the end of the book iirc

Yeah it's at the end of the book though Batman:Bane came a few issues after Detective Comics #701.