OPM revisions/potential new calcs

[Emirp sumitpo]

I prefer this, just sharp weapon BS that always happens in fiction. Like Tier 9-A or above characters being consistently harmed by normal guns, or bladed weapons by average people.

I'd say this is fair enough

 

[Kachon123]

Can we add the changes for Iaian and PPP, as almost everyone has agreed to the them?

 

[Kachon123]

Can we add the changes for Iaian and PPP, as almost everyone has agreed to the them?

bump

 

[Antvasima]

What our staff have accepted here can probably be applied.

 

[Kachon123]

Okay.

 

[Kachon123]

I do think he should be higher than his current ratings, but giving him Massively Hypersonic doesn't make sense.

Would giving him a "possibly higher" rating be fine? It would look like this:

Speed: At least Supersonic (Should be much faster than the likes of intraining Saitama), possibly higher (Could move faster than Child Emperor, who is capable of reacting to attacks from Evil Natural Water)

 

[Antvasima]

@Damage3245 @Elizhaa @Celestial_Pegasus @GyroNutz

Do you consider this revision acceptable to apply?

 

[ByAsura]

Would giving him a "possibly higher" rating be fine? It would look like this:

Speed: At least Supersonic (Should be much faster than the likes of intraining Saitama), possibly higher (Could move faster than Child Emperor, who is capable of reacting to attacks from Evil Natural Water)

Sure.

 

[GyroNutz]

Iaian's stuff looks fine tbh, he also reacted to ENW's attack (unless that's been redrawn out). I'm fine with him scaling.

Not sure on PPP, Deep Sea King isn't MHS and I don't think the proof is clear enough that PPP actually tanked an attack. Also what Asura said about PPP getting stomped by a sleeping Garou. Leaning on disagree

 

[ByAsura]

I don't remember saying that and can't find it. Can you remind me?

 

[GyroNutz]

Neutral on an AP upgrade, but PPP reacting to Bang doesn't mean his speed is equal. It also doesn't make sense because Bang can fight DS and other characters on par with a version of Garou that blitzed PPP.

This

 

[ByAsura]

Oh, my mistake, I thought you were talking that invalidating PPP's AP/Dura.

 

[Kachon123]

This

We've alread mentioned this, and I clarified why PPP scales.

The point of mentioning Bang isn't to scale him to Bang. The point was to show PPP was able to react to something that moved before Melz' attack hit him, proving that he is capable of reacting to Melz' attack. I used that as evidence because PPP never actually reacted to it. We didn't see PPP moving, or his facial reactions, outside of him and Bang.

ByAsura agreed after I clarified.

Ok.

 

[Damage3245]

Death Gatling should scale to Small City level, with Death Shower because he was able to harm Garou despite him deflecting the bullets.

Isn't it a bit weird that Death Gatling is notably weaker than any of the S-Class but through this he'd be indirectly scaling to Tanktop Master, Genos and a pumped-up Metal Bat?

 

[ByAsura]

We already rejected it.

 

[Kachon123]

So far, this is what has been accepted:

Iaian MHS
PPP MHS
PPP Low 7-B
Zombieman "higher" rating for speed

If theres anything else I forgot, please let me know

 

[Damage3245]

We already rejected it.

Ah, okay.

So far, this is what has been accepted:

Iaian MHS
PPP MHS
PPP Low 7-B
Zombieman "higher" rating for speed

Sure. Those are fine.

 

[Antvasima]

So far, this is what has been accepted:

Iaian MHS
PPP MHS
PPP Low 7-B
Zombieman "higher" rating for speed

If theres anything else I forgot, please let me know

@GyroNutz @ByAsura

Do you consider this acceptable as well?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

BoS Genos should be downgraded as he clearly shouldn't scale to the MHS values

 

[Qawsedf234]

It was calculated, but we dropped it because of self-momentum or something.

The OG calc assumed that Saitama was still moving forward from his initial jump velocity and that the bullet moved into the horizon so fast that Saitama hadn't moved from his stop.

It got dropped once Damage pointed out that Saitama had reach the height of his jump and wasn't moving forward anymore, making the circumstances of the calc bunk.

 

[ByAsura]

Ok.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

BoS Genos should be downgraded as he clearly shouldn't scale to the MHS values

Bumping this. I think we can scale Genos to Giant Crow's Hypersonic feat, as early PPP is stated to be able to defeat it, and DSK easily stomped PPP, which is consistent with this I suppose: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jasonsith/One-Punch_Man_–_Hydrated_DSK_moves_as_if_raindrops_are_frozen

So all characters scaling to BoS Genos and above would be At least Hypersonic

 

[Kachon123]

Bumping this. I think we can scale Genos to Giant Crow's Hypersonic feat, as early PPP is stated to be able to defeat it, and DSK easily stomped PPP, which is consistent with this I suppose: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Jasonsith/One-Punch_Man_–_Hydrated_DSK_moves_as_if_raindrops_are_frozen

So all characters scaling to BoS Genos and above would be At least Hypersonic

PPP was using half his full abilities against DSK.

 

[ByAsura]

At first. He later goes to full power.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

PPP was using half his full abilities against DSK.

He goes full power after getting naked.

 

[Kachon123]

He goes full power after getting naked.

Not true. He learned to fight with the intent to kill after fighting DSK, thus creating the Dark Angel ☆ Rush, in the Boros Invasion arc

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Then we still have DSK's other Hypersonic feat to fall back on.

 

[ByAsura]

That's a new style. It doesn't mean he was retroactively at half power against DSK, and it makes absolutely no sense in context.

Also, yes, PPP didn't intend to kill DSK with every punch, but that doesn't stop DSK from destroying him with ease.

 

[Antvasima]

So what should we do here exactly?

 

[Kachon123]

So what should we do here exactly?

We just need to add the PPP and Iaian changes, but I don't know how to change profiles correctly.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay, although I don't think that you made editing structure mistakes when I checked through your last few edits, but may misremember.

Would somebody else here be willing to handle it instead please?

 

[GyroNutz]

We've alread mentioned this, and I clarified why PPP scales.

In speed maybe, but the panel doesn't support a Low 7-B rating imo. It seems unlikely that Melzalgard landed a direct hit there. For what it's worth, I find it weird to scale PPP to a Dragon level threat, especially this early on.

 

[Kachon123]

In speed maybe, but the panel doesn't support a Low 7-B rating imo. It seems unlikely that Melzalgard landed a direct hit there. For what it's worth, I find it weird to scale PPP to a Dragon level threat, especially this early on.

My clarification was about speed. As for Dura, PPP would scale because he was able to block attacks from a stronger Melz that scales far above Low 7-B

 

[Kachon123]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

So what should we do here exactly?

We just need to add the PPP and Iaian changes, but I don't know how to change profiles correctly.

Okay, although I don't think that you made editing structure mistakes when I checked through your last few edits, but may misremember.

Would somebody else here be willing to handle it instead please?

Is somebody else here willing to handle this please? Or do you have objections GyroNutz?

 

[GyroNutz]

My clarification was about speed. As for Dura, PPP would scale because he was able to block attacks from a stronger Melz that scales far above Low 7-B

I'm aware. But for durability, as I said, the panel doesn't imply that Melzalgard landed a direct hit.

 

[Kachon123]

I'm aware. But for durability, as I said, the panel doesn't imply that Melzalgard landed a direct hit.

What do you mean? PPP clearly would have been hit with it had he not done anything. Wouldn't you have to prove that the attack wasn't going to hit him directly?

 

[GyroNutz]

What do you mean? PPP clearly would have been hit with it had he not done anything. Wouldn't you have to prove that the attack wasn't going to hit him directly?

In the scan it doesn't appear to hit him directly. He didn't stop the force, he just redirected it.

 

[Kachon123]

In the scan it doesn't appear to hit him directly. He didn't stop the force, he just redirected it.

It's more of a parry imo.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Yo, I wanted to dop by and say I attempted to calculate Iain's durability off site. I calculated the ship's explosion to 7-B+ and Iaian's cross sectional area gave me 8-C results. Even using the accepted used 6-C yield, I only got 8-B+.