[ Infinite Speed + Time Stop > Infinite Speed ]

[Shiro0404]

Time stop works according to the speed of a character

If the user speed is FTL
So time stop is also only able to stop up to FTL speed only

In this Discussion :

I want to confirm this sentence because I once argued with someone about infinite speed

So [ Inf Speed With Time Stop> Inf Speed ]
Valid?

Among the Reasons I can give

1. Inf Speed Still bound by time

2. Even if it moves at 0 seconds, Time Stop can stop infinite speed because it is still on the timeline

3. What is not bound by the concept of time is only immeasurable


I deliberately made this thread so that many people out there do not misunderstand about infinite speed which is still time -bound

*Noted = Not included among the members in this wiki because everyone is more knowledgeable than me

If anyone have anything to add, please add here . Thank You : )

 

[xeno4040]

TS is active or passive?

 

[Shiro0404]

TS is active or passive?

The time stop is active, not passive

 

[xeno4040]

So the active timestop can be used?

 

[Shiro0404]

Can still be used because they have the same speed

 

[Shiro0404]

passive hax is useful for fighting higher speeds while the above speeds are the same

 

[xeno4040]

Ouhh thank you

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

Speed is bound to time since the formula itself requires a timeframe at the first place in order to operate (Irrelevant speed could be an exception, but it'd be a pseudo-intellectual discussion if we extend to that).

So what does that mean? That means both Infinite speed and Immeasurable speed users can be stopped with a Time Stop, as long as the Time Stop users are capable to activate it before get blitzed, of course.

So basically...

1. Inf Speed Still bound by time

Correct.

2. Even if it moves at 0 seconds, Time Stop can stop infinite speed because it is still on the timeline

Correct, although a better reasoning is because the time being stopped and 0 second albeit likely, are not the same. 0 second suggests an infinitesimal timeframe with the time flows still, while the other is literally the the time being halt.

3. What is not bound by the concept of time is only immeasurable

False, as per my reasoning above. Immeasurable speed is still bound to time, let alone the concept of time. It is just its timeframe is ******, thus allowing its user to travel anywhere faster than instant.

 

[Shiro0404]

Speed is bound to time since the formula itself requires a timeframe at the first place in order to operate (Irrelevant speed could be an exception, but it'd be a pseudo-intellectual discussion if we extend to that).

So what does that mean? That means both Infinite speed and Immeasurable speed users can be stopped with a Time Stop, as long as the Time Stop users are capable to activate it before get blitzed, of course.

So basically...

Correct.


Correct, although a better reasoning is because the time being stopped and 0 second albeit likely, are not the same. 0 second suggests an infinitesimal timeframe with the time flows still, while the other is literally the the time being halt.


False, as per my reasoning above. Immeasurable speed is still bound to time, let alone the concept of time. It is just its timeframe is ******, thus allowing its user to travel anywhere faster than instant.

Ohhh thank you for your respond

 

[Akenosan77]

Interesting thread, I just found out about this

 

[Vietthai96]

Immeasurable speed is still bound to time, let alone the concept of time. It is just its timeframe is ******, thus allowing its user to travel anywhere faster than instant.

Huh, can you explain this again??, why Immeasurable speed still bound by time???

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

Huh, can you explain this again??, why Immeasurable speed still bound by time???

Like I said, the speed formula needs time to operate, and undetermined timeframe doesn't translate as unbound to time.

 

[Vietthai96]

The why the one of the standard for Immeasurable speed is unbound by the time axis, or transcend time axis. Somehow user have speed beyond the time axis still bound by it???

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

The why the one of the standard for Immeasurable speed is unbound by the time axis, or transcend time axis. Somehow user have speed beyond the time axis still bound by it???

It never were, nor do we give them Time Manipulation resistance by default. "Moving beyond time" is just a metaphor for being able to outrun time with sheer speed.

 

[Vietthai96]

It never were, nor do we give them Time Manipulation resistance by default. "Moving beyond time" is just a metaphor for being able to outrun time with sheer speed.

We actually give Immeasurable speed for character who stated to have speed transcended the time axis, or unbound by the time axis, or thing similar

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

We actually give Immeasurable speed for character who stated to have speed transcended the time axis, or unbound by the time axis, or thing similar

Let's assume they are unbound by time (which I doubt they do, only in speed not existential-wise), that doesn't mean it applied as well to the baseline criteria.

 

[Thelastmlg]

Immensurable speed is literally being faster than the speed formula and time itself, they are not bound by time and would not be affected by time stops, they move through time like we move through space.

I already disagree with infinite speed not working against time stops, but the rating that literally makes you outside of linear time is definitely not getting affected.

Time stops only work on things that move linearly on time, because you are stopping them from progressing to the future, immensurable beings move through the past and future however they see fit.

We aren't giving resistances to them because is redundant, and because resisting something and being unbound by it is different, one means you are targeted by a ability but resists it's effects, the other means it simply can't target you at all

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

Immensurable speed is literally being faster than the speed formula and time itself, they are not bound by time and would not be affected by time stops, they move through time like we move through space.

I already disagree with infinite speed not working against time stops, but the rating that literally makes you outside of linear time is definitely not getting affected.

Time stops only work on things that move linearly on time, because you are stopping them from progressing to the future, immensurable beings move through the past and future however they see fit.

We aren't giving resistances to them because is redundant, and because resisting something and being unbound by it is different, one means you are targeted by a ability but resists it's effects, the other means it simply can't target you at all

Immeasurable speed doesn't go faster than the speed formula because the timeframe is still there, it's just undefined/undetermined aka something not 0 to infinity, allowing it to travel faster than instant. Moreover, there is no correlation between Infinite speed and Time Stop resistance, Infinite speed moves in a no time, while Time Stop stops time, literally as the name suggests.

Of course, one could say that 0 second and stopped time are interchangeable, but as I said, the two are not the same. The time dimension allows snapshots of space to move from back to forth (past to future) akin like length (the dimension one). 0 second is 0 second, an infinitesimal period of time when time itself is still flowing, Time Stop halt the temporal dimension which makes the future (if not as well, the past) nonexistent.

Additionally, I'm pretty sure we don't give SOL or FTL that work under relativity a Time Stop resistance either, if they are not false equivalence (which I don't think so).

I will not explain any further since I already addressed it here (and Yuri is there, if that's important for you).

 

[Thelastmlg]

Not sure where areyou getting your immensurable speed definition because it sure isn't from the wiki's page

Movement beyond linear time. This is why the speed cannot be measured. Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined the speed formula cannot be applied.

it specifically says that we cannot use the formula, time is undefined because they aren't bound by linear time, not because it is unspecified, is because there is no time frame.

And the notes say:

The difference between infinite and immeasurable is that the former can go everywhere instantly, whereas the latter can go everywhere and everywhen faster than instantly

They can travel forward and backward in time at will. They have the speed necessary to hop from the beginning of time, to the end of time, and anywhere in between as casually as a human being can roll their eyes left or right. This also means their reaction time is faster than instantaneous. They can dodge an attack that already has been struck, and they can strike someone even before they launched an attack

there is no timeframe here, timeframes are above 0 time, even if instants are considered timeframes, immensurables are faster than instants of time.

The speed formula uses linear time from 0 to finite numbers to work, someone that that doesn't move in linear, is not bound by the formula

 

[GreatIskandar14045]

Not sure where areyou getting your immensurable speed definition because it sure isn't from the wiki's page

Movement beyond linear time. This is why the speed cannot be measured. Given that S = D/T, if T is undefined the speed formula cannot be applied.

it specifically says that we cannot use the formula, time is undefined because they aren't bound by linear time, not because it is unspecified, is because there is no time frame.

And the notes say:

The difference between infinite and immeasurable is that the former can go everywhere instantly, whereas the latter can go everywhere and everywhen faster than instantly

They can travel forward and backward in time at will. They have the speed necessary to hop from the beginning of time, to the end of time, and anywhere in between as casually as a human being can roll their eyes left or right. This also means their reaction time is faster than instantaneous. They can dodge an attack that already has been struck, and they can strike someone even before they launched an attack

there is no timeframe here, timeframes are above 0 time, even if instants are considered timeframes, immensurables are faster than instants of time.

The speed formula uses linear time from 0 to finite numbers to work, someone that that doesn't move in linear, is not bound by the formula

Like I said, "beyond linear time" there is just a metaphor for being able to outrun time.

Just because we can't use such speed formula since we don't know the exact value of the timeframe, that doesn't mean said speed level actually transcended the entire formula. Undefined numbers as per math, are refers to expressions that have no clear value or interpretation (for example, division by 0 is undefined). But that doesn't mean them numbers have gone beyond the concept of number itself. The numbers are still there, means the timeframe are still there too, but we just can't measure their exact value, numerically. Hence, we call it Immeasurable speed.

I've said this on the link above, that that the logic behind that Immeasurable speed can run in time freely with sheer speed so therefore, is unbound by time is as well, flawed. Because with the same exact logic we 3-dimensional beings, will not be limited by the 3-dimensional space (or having Spatial Manipulation resistance) since we are capable to move freely in it; back-forth, left-right, and up down. Them who can walk in the temporal dimension like in spatial dimension is qualified, them who can walk in a higher temporal dimension (say, 2D time) is qualified, despite being bounded to the spacetime themselves. Because Immeasurable speed opens a new dimension for you to be explored, the time dimension. It's literally just an ability to time travel in whim.