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A character can manipulate and use the energy and time that came from the Big Bang of an infinite universe, like directing a stream. Is this a viable feat?
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What tier would this be?
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if the character isn't the originator of the energy, I don't think it counts as an AP feat.
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i mean yeah but they still use the energy, as well as it being described as stopping this energy or redirecting it entirely.
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energy manipulation
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While I think it would be, that term seems a bit vague? I mean “energy manipulation” is such a….broad term. I can give a more in-depth explanation as to what this is when I can, most likely tomorrow morning.
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Alright school made it a bit hard to do this is the morning, so I’ve decided to do it now.
Essentially, ever since the Big Bang of an infinitely sized universe, the energy and time of it all flowed forward in some type of “cosmic stream”. Along side this, a great energy was dispersed, searching for “perfection”. This energy was strong enough to halt the flow of all this energy throughout the universe, and is able to be manipulated(if understood correctly)and use the energy of the universe to move things with telekinesis.
Just manipulating the energy would make it energy manip, but using it to put forth kinetic and destructive power is another. That is why I believe it is not just energy manipulation.
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Low 2-C via energy manipulation
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Big Bang?, Infinite Universe?. Those two thing couldn't and will never mixed with each other. If there is a feat like this, it contradicted and destroy itself thus will not be evaluated or given a tier
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Sorry, I used Big Bang as just a way to refer to beginning of this universe, it was never stated to be such a thing. for clarification, the exact quote to prove an infinite universe is “in reality, we are all part of the flow of the same cosmic stream. Even scientists don’t grasp what their calculations show them…Infinity…time without space…eternity….space without bounds…”. As for their manipulation of this energy the quote is “yet, even as the stream sweeps them along…they posses one power capable of stopping the stream” as well as “it’s not power you can own, ever…But think of being able to direct its infinite flow!”
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Lol the quote, is there more context behind it, cuz infinite time can just refer to the length of time, and the worst of all, "infinite time without a space". Space without bound can be well mean no edge, but again in the amount of informations this quote gave us is insufficient
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the time part is irrelevant. Space without bound means space with no bound, no limit, no encasement or boundary where it stops. The energy is also stated to be infinite in the other aforementioned quote. If not it’s still a viable 3-A feat.
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Space is already 4-D, just not on this site because its somewhat outdated
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Say a character exists outside a infinite 4-D structure, what tier would that be then?
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No tier. If they are dimensionless and still larger than 1-D, it would be 1-A
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Let me rephrase, this character exists outside the stream, which is essentially the forward and linear movement of energy, time and space throughout the universe. This character is stated to exist on a different level, outside the stream entirely.
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Ok, thank you.
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Nah, the current view is that space is 3D, but with time involved since it is just 3D + 1 dimension of time if memories served right.
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On this site yeah, but IRL time isn't that impressive, space is 4D
By definition, the "universe" would include all its spatial dimensions
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Space isn’t considered 4d irl though, just 3D irl.
There is already plentiful of details about it for that matter.
In fact, I don’t think we ever generalize space to being 4D by default now I think about it.
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i always though existing outside of 4-D structures meant you were 5D and low 1-C?
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I think if you can prove a dimension that is superior to 4D, then sure. Even the Tiering system mentioned it too.
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“Tier 1: Extradimensional
Characters who can significantly affect spaces of qualitatively greater sizes than ordinary universal models and spaces, usually represented in fiction by higher levels or states of existence (Or "levels of infinity", as referred below) which trivialize everything below them into insignificance, normally by perceiving them as akin to fictional constructs or something infinitesimal.This tier is broken into the following categories:
1-C: Complex Multiverse level
Low 1-C | Low Complex Multiverse level: Characters who can affect, create and/or destroy the entirety of spaces whose size corresponds to one to two higher levels of infinity greater than a standard universal model (Low 2-C structures, in plain English.) In terms of "dimensional" scale, this can be equated to 5 and 6-dimensional real coordinate spaces (R ^ 5 to R ^ 6)”Yeah, here we go. And it is from the Tiering System
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The cosmic stream is a 4D structure, character A exists outside this structure and is stated to be on a “higher level”. It is also shown that glimpses into this outside ,even against other powerful characters, induce extreme fear so much so it left one shivering in bed for a period of time. It is also said that it is outside the scope of human imagination to fully grasp the concept of the stream, and that people who are inside it couldn’t ever understand the concept.
What I’m seeing is,
Inside stream, 3-D, the stream itself is beyond the scope of human imagination and could possibly drive regular people mad by looking at it, it is also 4-D. What would existing outside this mean?
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space alone is not 4D, outside a 4D structure doesn't mean you are higher than 4D, like a normal person living in Outerverse plane will not automatically granted the tier
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The universe in this verse is a low 2-C structure? If a low 2-C structure drives regular people mad then what does it mean to be outside it? It’s stated not only that he is on a “higher level” and above the low 2-C structure, but also has the ability to take people that have died(?)to a higher plane of existence(literally, not just them dying and going somewhere else, he took them there).
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outside a Low 2-C structure doesn't mean 5D or Low 1-C, unless there is uncountable infinitely superior, dimensional hierarchy, reality - fiction different, etc...We now don't just randomly give character Low 1-C because they are on a higher plane of existence unless the context is extremely good
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Define context in this situation, what do we need?
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you can read many Low 1-C profiles to understand the context, i'm currently busy with my revision thread, sorry
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ok I’ll cover the low 1-C arguement later, I can probably find something in the little summaries the author puts in the chapters. Can we steer this back to the main point and say whether this is a good 3-A feat? “3-A via energy manipulation” or something like that.
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Why, why is the Big Bang can't inflate an infinite-sized space? Can you elaborate it in science?
And that's what Gurren Lagann (a verse that was wrote by the guy who's decent in physic) apparently does. Spiral Nemesis (The Big Crunch, an in-verse of the Big Crunch) crushes an infinite-sized multiverse into a dimensionless singularity.
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“According to the theory of inflation, the early Universe expanded exponentially fast for a fraction of a second after the Big Bang. Cosmologists introduced this idea in 1981 to solve several important problems in cosmology.
One of these problems is the horizon problem. Assume, for a moment, the Universe is not expanding. Now imagine a photon was released very early in the Universe and travelled freely until it hits the North Pole of the Earth. Now imagine another photon was released at the same time, but "opposite" to the first one. It will hit the Earth at the South Pole. Could these two photons exchange any information from the time when they are released? Clearly not, because the time required to send information from one photon to the other would be two times the age of the Universe. The photons are causally disconnected. They are outside of each other's horizon.”
From this article: http://www.ctc.cam.ac.uk/outreach/origins/inflation_zero.php
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Are you agreeing or disagreeing?
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Channelling all of the power of a universal space-time creating event seems like a Low 2-C feat to me, but I am not certain.
What do you think @Elizhaa and @QuasiYuri ?
What do you think @Elizhaa and @QuasiYuri ?
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