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sans vs bill cipher

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9-B physical form Bill cipher vs 9-B Ketchup man. This assumes that sans has read all 3 journals by stanford pines, but Bill Cipher is only as aware of sans' powers as frisk is on the genocide route right before the battle with him. Takes place in the Last Corridor, sans gets the first attack as he normally would in a genocide route. Speed equalized
 
I don't think Bill Cipher has a 9-B key, the tier of his physical form is Unknown but can go up to 4-A via Size Manipulation and Reality Warping, He'd also eventually reach 3-A by causing a rip in the dimension
 
The wiki said that "4-A physically via Size Manipulation" so im just capping his physical tier and size manipulation at 9-B. Sorry I should have made that more clear

Technically he never caused a rip in the dimension, he just made a preexisting one larger
I'm not sure you can arbitrarily restrict abilities to 9-B like that.
You either restrict them outright or not at all.
 
I'm not sure you can arbitrarily restrict abilities to 9-B like that.
You either restrict them outright or not at all.
Ok in that case I'll completely restrict his size manipulation so he stays at the size we see him most often in the show, which is around Mabels height, slightly bigger
 
Regardless, I don't think sans throwing cipher into a wall will harm cipher whatsoever, probably will just disorient him or at worst hurt his eye. The bones however should do a ton of damage via karma and the gaster blasters are an instant death for cipher assuming they hit him and not his hat. The best chance cipher has here is reality warping, but if he views sans as necessary for his plans then he wont bother, and will attempt to tire sans out as thats cipher's biggest strength here
 
Well on one hand if cipher DOES get bigger, then he's a much easier target for sans' gaster blasters and sans one shots. If cipher tries to run then sans just teleports him back, and if cipher tries blast sans like he did to time baby then sans can just dodge or teleport out of the way. On the other hand, if cipher stays the same size then he might actually have a chance against sans. They both have weird 4th wall awareness, but sans is probably more aware of the fictionality of his universe than cipher is of his.
 
Well on one hand if cipher DOES get bigger, then he's a much easier target for sans' gaster blasters and sans one shots. If cipher tries to run then sans just teleports him back, and if cipher tries blast sans like he did to time baby then sans can just dodge or teleport out of the way. On the other hand, if cipher stays the same size then he might actually have a chance against sans. They both have weird 4th wall awareness, but sans is probably more aware of the fictionality of his universe than cipher is of his.
Excuse me? bill does not get one shot

Bill just turns sans into a pair of shoes and vaporizes him :|
 
So your gonna ignore the fact that weapon was clearly made to be used against bill?

so clearly, we can assume Ford made to to get rid of him
 
So your gonna ignore the fact that weapon was clearly made to be used against bill?

so clearly, we can assume Ford made to to get rid of him
Did you even read my post? Lmao. "This assumes that sans has read all 3 journals by stanford pines"
Sans has the information needed to modify his gaster blasters to do exactly this. And dont act like sans cant, both ford and sans are labeled as "extraordinary geniuses" in their profiles
 
sans can... alter his magic to be deadly to a specific entity?

nobody in undertale was able to alter their magic to be like that... so no, he cant. he can in theory build something to kill bill, but that would require prep time, which he does not have.
 
he can in theory build something to kill bill, but that would require prep time, which he does not have.
gaster blasters are real devices in his attacks just like bones in his attacks are real bones. he CAN modify them. undertale characters invent attacks in the middle of battle, the main example being papyrus. and yeah he does have prep time, I put cipher in the same position as frisk on a genocide route meaning that sans has a normal genocide run's amount of time to prepare
 
gaster blasters are real devices in his attacks just like bones in his attacks are real bones. he CAN modify them. undertale characters invent attacks in the middle of battle, the main example being papyrus. and yeah he does have prep time, I put cipher in the same position as frisk on a genocide route meaning that sans has a normal genocide run's amount of time to prepare
No they cant??? papyrus talked about his blue attacks beforehand, the gaster blasters being devices is head canon, the time it takes to get to sans is not that long considering you one shot everyone except undyne.

sans cant build a machine to murder a demon in 15-30 minutes.
 
No they cant??? papyrus talked about his blue attacks beforehand
Here one of papyrus's attacks gets stolen mid battle by the annoying dog so he has to prepare a new one, mid battle
Also papyrus never talks about his blue attacks before you fight him, thats sans lol
This attack is different every time you play the sans fight, and he does multiple attacks in a single turn. He makes up the order mid fight
the gaster blasters being devices is head canon,
How? They're literally called blasters which is a type of device, which shoot lasers, which is something that comes OUT of a device, sans is already known to be a scientist, devices have been proven to be possible to be attacks (mettaton), and ALL attacks in the underground are real objects with the exclusion of asgore/toriel who use fire, but fire is still a real thing and whether its an "object" is a schematics argument
the time it takes to get to sans is not that long considering you one shot everyone except undyne.

sans cant build a machine to murder a demon in 15-30 minutes.
Have you ever played a genocide route? Assuming you do everything PERFECTLY it still takes around an hour, the fastest speedrun of genocide in undertale is an hour and 20 minutes iirc, if you think you can do it in 15-30 minutes then please show us. regardless, sans has all of the research that ford did. his attacks are thought based (mostly) he could just change what he wants them to do with his mind, which is instantaneous. Even if he didnt have prep time, there is none needed
 
Thats not making an attack to kill a specific type of entity
How? They're literally called blasters which is a type of device, which shoot lasers, which is something that comes OUT of a device, sans is already known to be a scientist, devices have been proven to be possible to be attacks (mettaton), and ALL attacks in the underground are real objects with the exclusion of asgore/toriel who use fire, but fire is still a real thing and whether its an "object" is a schematics argument
Device would mean that they're mechanical, which cant be true. them being called 'devices' is stupid, since no where in the game are they even hinted on being mechanical.

Have you ever played a genocide route? Assuming you do everything PERFECTLY it still takes around an hour, the fastest speedrun of genocide in undertale is an hour and 20 minutes iirc, if you think you can do it in 15-30 minutes then please show us. regardless, sans has all of the research that ford did. his attacks are thought based (mostly) he could just change what he wants them to do with his mind, which is instantaneous. Even if he didnt have prep time, there is none needed
It takes you hours to complete the game normally, and yet the game actually lasts roughly a year, possibly longer since your taller at the end of the game.

If anything, frisk cleared the entire underground in about an hour.
 
I also don't think gaster blasters are devices personally.
Also Sans can't just modify them so they are suddenly great at eliminating a specific target, if you think that's possible then prove it.
Also the wiki states his blasters are Energy Projections - not some weird scientific device that can be modified.
 
I also don't think gaster blasters are devices personally.
Also Sans can't just modify them so they are suddenly great at eliminating a specific target, if you think that's possible then prove it.
Also the wiki states his blasters are Energy Projections - not some weird scientific device that can be modified.
Mhm
Also Sans can't just modify them so they are suddenly great at eliminating a specific target, if you think that's possible then prove it.
Why cant he? He's a genius, he has access to fords' research, and has an hour to prepare. It's probably what he did with karma, making something that could do more damage against someone that does terrible things, thats just speculation though. Ford calls his gun a "quantum destabilizer" not a "bill destroyer" and considering its a kids show if they could make something with a less confusing name, then they would. Sans has everything he needs to make the weapon or modify his gaster blasters WHICH ARE DEVICES, and devices can ALWAYS be modified. And also the burden of proof isnt on me, its on you to prove that something in his profile is wrong
For the record im not angry or anything I just like using caps for emphasis
 
Why cant he? He's a genius, he has access to fords' research, and has an hour to prepare
Do you have feats to prove he can do things at this Caliber within one hour? Having access to Ford's research doesn't mean he instantly understands everything nor that he could accomplish building that same weapon in just an hour. Nothing suggests that Ford builded it in such a short time either and he had access to his research all the time...
9-B physical Bill
Wait, Bill has no 9-B keys. Then how this is a 9-B fight?

And even if he wasn't, what stops Bill from simply snapping? That's literally the first thing he do to all enemies or people he has no use for when he starts to battle.
 
From SBA, and theres no '9-B' bill, we can only assume its his strongest version, which is 3-A.

So this is a stomp.
 
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