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Isn't he at least 7-A already?He should be 7-A given how badly he stomped Invincible even at full power.
Ah you're trying for 7-A+. Yeah the OP just says 7-A.Yes but he’s not rated as 7-A+
The + rating is only for characters who are at or above the median of Baseline and End of a Tier. I'm not sure scaling on its own can fill the requirement unless the tier they're already at is VERY close to the median as is.Yes but he’s not rated as 7-A+
is it time to change the standardsThe power needed to stomp characters in a verse is arbitrary, there's no consistent difference in power needed to one-shot in fiction. Unless of course the verse specifies the difference.
And how would you suggest that? I don't see too much of an issue with it. The 7.5x rule is a rule specifically for vsb for the sake of an ap advantage actually meaning something. But one-shotting in other verses is vague, and thus giving characters in the verse 7.5x every time a character one-shots someone is an absurd proposition. I can understand contentions with it, but it has merit to it.is it time to change the standards
Bruh have you not seen how badly Omni Man stomped Invincible? Heck if you’re 2x stronger than invincible, you’d end up on the plus end of 7-AAnd how would you suggest that? I don't see too much of an issue with it. The 7.5x rule is a rule specifically for vsb for the sake of an ap advantage actually meaning something. But one-shotting in other verses is vague, and thus giving characters in the verse 7.5x every time a character one-shots someone is an absurd proposition. I can understand contentions with it, but it has merit to it.
i don't care if it's absurd, it's the way it should beAnd how would you suggest that? I don't see too much of an issue with it. The 7.5x rule is a rule specifically for vsb for the sake of an ap advantage actually meaning something. But one-shotting in other verses is vague, and thus giving characters in the verse 7.5x every time a character one-shots someone is an absurd proposition. I can understand contentions with it, but it has merit to it.
But the difference in power required to stomp in that verse is undefined and vague. You can't look in a verse and go "Oh yea, he's 32x stronger, just look how he one shot him effortlessly!". The only time an difference in power should be considered is when a numerical value is assigned in verse. Such as a statement like "His power dwarfs mine by tenfold! No... Dozens of times!".Bruh have you not seen how badly Omni Man stomped Invincible? Heck if you’re 2x stronger than invincible, you’d end up on the plus end of 7-A
If you wish, we can continue this on my message wall on why it's the way it 'should be'. I don't see any reason as to why that should be the case. Especially because it leads to conflated tiers.i don't care if it's absurd, it's the way it should be
Shouldn’t it be clear that Omni man is more than 2x stronger than Invincible? It is very clear. You somehow don’t see it for some reason I don’t understandBut the difference in power required to stomp in that verse is undefined and vague. You can't look in a verse and go "Oh yea, he's 32x stronger, just look how he one shot him effortlessly!". The only time an difference in power should be considered is when a numerical value is assigned in verse. Such as a statement like "His power dwarfs mine by tenfold! No... Dozens of times!".
Typically, yes. However, I've heard that a character can jump a tier if a character has been calculated to be near the next tier, and a character dwarfs them. Which is rare, but can happen. So I assume a + can be added in the same scenario.Don’t you need a calc for a + not upscaling?
You can’t arbitrarily say that he’s 2x stronger just because he stomped him.Shouldn’t it be clear that Omni man is more than 2x stronger than Invincible? It is very clear. You somehow don’t see it for some reason I don’t understand
I've seen upscaling to + via a calc. Though if that's the case a couple verses are gonna need revisionsDon’t you need a calc for a + not upscaling?
okIf you wish, we can continue this on my message wall on why it's the way it 'should be'. I don't see any reason as to why that should be the case. Especially because it leads to conflated tiers.
No, it's not clear. It comes down to subjectivity. It comes down to the creator and how they portray the differences. In Dragon Ball, even being a percentage stronger (not even twice as strong) can in some cases be enough to stomp. There's no consistent difference in power required to stomp. It varies throughout fiction.Shouldn’t it be clear that Omni man is more than 2x stronger than Invincible? It is very clear. You somehow don’t see it for some reason I don’t understand
You can upscale to a + as long as you’re upscaling from a calc that is very close to a + rating.Don’t you need a calc for a + not upscaling?
I didnt ******* say that omg you’re putting words in my mouth. I said that if you’re 2x stronger than Invincible’s AP, you’d be on the plus end. Omni man is obviously stronger than a 2x difference so he’s probs around 4 or 5x stronger than Invincible.You can’t arbitrarily say that he’s 2x stronger just because he stomped him.
First of all, calm down. Second of all, can you provide any evidence that explicitly says Nolan is 2x stronger than Mark, let alone 5x? You can’t just assume numbers like that without explicit statements.I didnt ******* say that omg you’re putting words in my mouth. I said that if you’re 2x stronger than Invincible’s AP, you’d be on the plus end. Omni man is obviously stronger than a 2x difference so he’s probs around 4 or 5x stronger than Invincible.
I don't say this with ill-intent. But I think you should respond with kinder words. I don't personally think this behaviour is bad yet, but looking at your message wall, you could end up with a punishment if you act up the way I had seen before. I think you misinterpreted what LordTracer is saying.I didnt ******* say that omg you’re putting words in my mouth. I said that if you’re 2x stronger than Invincible’s AP, you’d be on the plus end. Omni man is obviously stronger than a 2x difference so he’s probs around 4 or 5x stronger than Invincible.
I didnt ******* say that omg you’re putting words in my mouth. I said that if you’re 2x stronger than Invincible’s AP, you’d be on the plus end. Omni man is obviously stronger than a 2x difference so he’s probs around 4 or 5x stronger than Invincible.
???"You can't arbitrarily assume they're 2x more powerful."
"I didn't, I'm arbitrarily assuming they're 4-5x more powerful."
I’m trying to be kinder, but all the sudden @FinePoint started indirectly mocking me.I don't say this with ill-intent. But I think you should respond with kinder words. I don't personally think this behaviour is bad yet, but looking at your message wall, you could end up with a punishment if you act up the way I had seen before. I think you misinterpreted what LordTracer is saying.
They're saying, that you believe that Omni-Man should magically overcome the gap between his current tier and the median of the tier, simply by stomping someone. You're projecting that you think is how many times stronger he got based on your personal opinion (Which is the gap required to jump a tier or a median by the difference in power portrayed in a fictional work).
It’s cause no one has decided on a multiplier for Omni man and those who would theoretically scale to him.They're not saying it's dumb. They're showing that you contradicted yourself. You said you weren't arbitrarily assuming he's 2x stronger, and then IMMEDIATELY arbitrarily assumed he's 4 to 5 times stronger instead.
But we don't need a multiplier. We can just assume he has an unquantifiable advantage over other characters with similar or equal ratings to him in debates or something if that's the concern. But arbitrarily assuming a value makes no sense in this context.It’s cause no one has decided on a multiplier for Omni man and those who would theoretically scale to him.
You should take your own advice and not put words into people's mouths. I was merely expressing confusion over the apparent contradiction, not mocking you. I'm sorry if that came off as hurtful to you, that was not my intention.I’m trying to be kinder, but all the sudden @FinePoint started indirectly mocking me.
At this point, we should wait for season 2 to come out. Maybe Invincible will be on Omni Man’s level and more character profiles will be created by then. Or maybe a new feat would happen and a multiplier may or may not be considered. Wow how many times do you people have to use the word “arbitrarily”?But we don't need a multiplier. We can just assume he has an unquantifiable advantage over other characters with similar or equal ratings to him in debates or something if that's the concern. But arbitrarily assuming a value makes no sense in this context.
I heard Kieran was planning some kind of revision of the TV series,At this point, we should wait for season 2 to come out. Maybe Invincible will be on Omni Man’s level and more character profiles will be created by then. Or maybe a new feat would happen and a multiplier may or may not be considered.