Darksiders 7-B downgrade

[DaReaperMan]

Hello, now I'll be tearing down 7-B Darksiders!

Let's take a look at This calculation. There is one big thing wrong with it.

It doesn't have a time frame, it takes the statement that Straga is the tower way too literally. If we actually look at the feat itself it takes 1 minute at minimum and as such would get terrible results probably in the tier 8 or 9 range.

Now here's the issue with the feat itself. Straga performs the feat by dying, and the feat itself was pretty much accepted by literally everyone it would probably kill War, the Watcher, and Azrael.

IE the feat can't be used anyway for anyone.

 

[Hellbeast]

I'd also note this is only done because of Straga's connection to the tower; Azrael even says that Straga and the tower are one as he dies and the whole thing falls

 

[Antvasima]

This seems to make sense to me.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm okay with this, but what would they be downgraded to? I know they consistently fight skyscraper sized enemies which should also get a calculation of some sort, but should get good tier 8 results.

 

[Amelia_Lonelyheart]

Weren't their calcs Miguel did earlier that yielded pretty consistent Tier 8 feats? I Idont know much on the setting but those seem usabe at least.

 

[DaReaperMan]

They'd be downgraded to 8-A.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

8-A looks good enough for me.

 

[Antvasima]

Is there any calculation for 8-A to scale them to?

 

[Hellbeast]

Yeah it's KE from the Guardian's hammer

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems fine then.

 

[Armorchompy]

Seems good

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

In fact, Darksierds is much more consistent with tier 6 to 5.

In Darksiders Genesis there are feats like use the energy above than 1000 suns, creating storms around the whole world, creating tsunamis, and etc.

In darksiders 3 the sins are to change the horizon with the presence

and so on

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Per note there are also FTL feats if I remember correctly

I was planning to revision of the verse, but I lost the games somewhere in hell

 

[DaReaperMan]

In fact, Darksierds is much more consistent with tier 6 to 5.

In Darksiders Genesis there are feats like use the energy above than 1000 suns, creating storms around the whole world, creating tsunamis, and etc.

In darksiders 3 the sins are to change the horizon with the presence

and so on

Aka completely and utterly unusable. Those """"""feats"""""" have been gone over so many times and rejected just as many times.

 

[DaReaperMan]

Per note there are also FTL feats if I remember correctly

I was planning to revision of the verse, but I lost the games somewhere in hell

Your thinking of Pride's laser. It got Relativistic results.

In fact, Darksierds is much more consistent with tier 6 to 5.

In Darksiders Genesis there are feats like use the energy above than 1000 suns, creating storms around the whole world, creating tsunamis, and etc.

In darksiders 3 the sins are to change the horizon with the presence

and so on

You know what, I'll just nuke those here.

That's a massive hyper bole and is at most heat resistance for War.

Aka literally nothing. That isn't a feat. It's just weather manipulation.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Those """"""feats"""""" have been gone over so many times and rejected just as many times.

I really never saw anything being said here about those feats

Your thinking of Pride's laser. It got Relativistic results.

I'm really not talking about that. I don't even believe that her lasers are SoL

That's a massive hyper bole and is at most heat resistance for War.

First of all, why is it a hyperbole? Whoever said that the energy is equal to 1000 suns is literally the person who uses and created the same material, it is not similar to a hyperbole and we already accept much more contradictory things, like Amaterasu having the temperature of the sun. And no, I don't know why you are mentioning War here (He is canonically fragile with lava by the way). The scale for the feat is Moloch, who receives from Lucifer himself a source of immeasurable and considerably invincible power, which makes it contextually more powerful than a power source presented at the beginning of the game (The Ember Core). Although Moloch is stronger than most of the characters, Samael is able to fight him momentarily.

Aka literally nothing. That isn't a feat. It's just weather manipulation.

That would be true. However, in the diary it is said that Dagon can store the energy of his storm inside his crystal ball, and then attack his opponents. His weapon itself has the energy of the storm

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Also, relax. You look a little desperate

 

[DaReaperMan]

I really never saw anything being said here about those feats

I'm really not talking about that. I don't even believe that her lasers are SoL

First of all, why is it a hyperbole? Whoever said that the energy is equal to 1000 suns is literally the person who uses and created the same material, it is not similar to a hyperbole and we already accept much more contradictory things, like Amaterasu having the temperature of the sun. And no, I don't know why you are mentioning War here (He is canonically fragile with lava by the way). The scale for the feat is Moloch, who receives from Lucifer himself a source of immeasurable and considerably invincible power, which makes it contextually more powerful than a power source presented at the beginning of the game (The Ember Core). Although Moloch is stronger than most of the characters, Samael is able to fight him momentarily.

That would be true. However, in the diary it is said that Dagon can store the energy of his storm inside his crystal ball, and then attack his opponents. His weapon itself has the energy of the storm

That's because this ain't the only Darksiders CRT in existence.

I'd agree but that's for it's own thread.

Because he have apsolutely no idea how knowledgeable Dis is on stars for one, and two, War literally swiped it out of the air with his Gauntlet. If he's lava fragile that makes the Ember Core not even 9-B. And as DDM said on the last thread this feat was discussed "I'm still not sure if "Power of a thousand suns" is High 6-A either. As the object is also much smaller than the Sun and inverse square law is a thing. It's best to say it simply produces energy a 1000 times faster than a solar panel for instance." We take those kinds of statements with massive grains of salt.

You mean the High 6-A feat that's been accepted as environmental destruction and Dagon didn't even directly cause? You'd be trying to fetch 7-B with that. Unfortunately I can pretty easily call outlier. Because there are 5 different calculated feats varying from 9-B to 8-A. Nothing tier 7 there.

Also, relax. You look a little desperate

I'm irritable that I have to discuss feats that have already been debunked in previous threads. It's not hard to look for em.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

• Belial absorbing the energy of all the seas and using it in his attacks
• Wrath be able to turn the horizon into a desert
• Lust turning part of the ocean into acid
• An elite angel who descended on earth almost destroyed humanity and caused the earth environment to be changed

There really are many feats from what little I remember

That's because this ain't the only Darksiders CRT in existence.

"Here" is about the site :v

Because he have apsolutely no idea how knowledgeable Dis is on stars for one, and two

She is a seller of soul who can wander in the infinite abyss and is considered Vulgrim's partner, and Lucifer himself arrested her for if I'm not mistaken being able to fool him. Dis is intelligent and knows about the world, it is not impossible to imagine that she has knowledge about a star, it has never been established that this is impossible. The one who has to prove that she doesn't know anything is you

War literally swiped it out of the air with his Gauntlet. If he's lava fragile that makes the Ember Core not even 9-B.

I don't understand what you are saying. War picked up the Ember Core inside a furnace where the energy source was being used to power a factory, just because War can pick it up doesn't mean it has no energy. It is just disconnected, since the Ember Core needs to be attached to a piece of equipment in order to function.

"I'm still not sure if "Power of a thousand suns" is High 6-A either. As the object is also much smaller than the Sun and inverse square law is a thing. It's best to say it simply produces energy a 1000 times faster than a solar panel for instance."

This is imagination. Being small is not a thing, literally it is fiction, doesn't have to make sense. Now, I want to know, what is the proof that Ember Core is a solar panel? It's a small material that doesn't need the sun to work. It is a simple statement

"Power of a thousand suns"

There is no need to create a context that doesn't even exist or has been established. And it's not even said "energy", it's said "power".

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I forgot this part

You mean the High 6-A feat that's been accepted as environmental destruction and Dagon didn't even directly cause?

What Dagon wouldn't do alone is create a tsunami to change the geography of the planet, but the storm itself is his. This is explained in the diary. The storm is from his crystal ball, the tsunami is needed a ritual of several demons

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/darksiders-revision.78850/

This was not even a decent discussion and the arguments are different

 

[DaReaperMan]

I don't remember Wrath nor lust pulling and feats like that. And if your talking about the Destroyer he doesn't scale to anyone but War with the Armageddon blade. If your talking about the angel in the Death's door Comics then that is corruption which is 3-A or High 3-A ED anyway.

Is it hard to just... you know... look up Darksiders in the search thing?

None of that says that she should be knowledgeable on stars. The planet isn't the only thing you need to know about stars. You kinda need proof of being knowledgeable there.

"We typically take "Power of a thousand suns" statements with a grain of salt as that's a commong language in poetry and metaphors. I can understand if it "Has the power to fuel things faster than the sun can fuel things". But keep in mind that most people who compare things to a thousand suns are actually downplaying the sun's power heavily. As it's not like they know the sun's GBE, or how big the sun is up close. They only know that it provides the Earth's light and warmth."

I don't understand what you are saying. War picked up the Ember Core inside a furnace where the energy source was being used to power a factory, just because War can pick it up doesn't mean it has no energy. It is just disconnected, since the Ember Core needs to be attached to a piece of equipment in order to function.

So it literally cannot scale to anyone because the ENTIRE FOUNDATION for anyone scaling to it is War grabbing it.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I don't remember Wrath nor lust pulling and feats like that.

Parts of the map are literally the result of the chaos that sins have caused. See here for the ocean horizon that Lust caused for exemple (Ignore the blue and red lines, I was calculating the feat a few months ago)

And if your talking about the Destroyer he doesn't scale to anyone but War with the Armageddon blade.

No, relax, I'm not talking about him

If your talking about the angel in the Death's door Comics then that is corruption which is 3-A or High 3-A ED anyway.

The corruption was not responsible for changing the planet environment, the corruption just changed the angel's mind and the turn to attack the earth. It wasn't the corruption that was affecting the planet (If not the corruption wouldn't even need a host)

None of that says that she should be knowledgeable on stars. The planet isn't the only thing you need to know about stars. You kinda need proof of being knowledgeable there.

• She is the character who uses the Ember Core and created it
• She has great knowledge of the universe
• She made Lucifer himself imprison her
• She's the partner of one of the most intelligent characters in creation
• She has knowledge of how to walk in the abyss, an infinite universe that is constantly changing

This is like saying "Hey! The people who wrote about Amaterasu having the temperature of the sun had no idea about the sun since there is no proof, so it's a himperbole!", but in the end it is accepted as legitimate

We typically take "Power of a thousand suns" statements with a grain of salt as that's a commong language in poetry and metaphors. I can understand if it "Has the power to fuel things faster than the sun can fuel things

But it is not hyperbole, there is no sense to it. Dis is serious about a powerful artifact that the demons themselves are impressed by and is used to fuel part of hell. The sense she is talking about is technical, about the characteristics of the object. In context it doesn't sound like something she is saying "because it sounds cool"

As it's not like they know the sun's GBE, or how big the sun is up close. They only know that it provides the Earth's light and warmth.

Yes, I am not talking about GBE, I am talking about the energy of sunlight. GBE is exploding the sun, but it is "sun power" that we are talking about. If someone says "I have the power of a human" we don't interpret it as if he can destroy a human

So it literally cannot scale to anyone because the ENTIRE FOUNDATION for anyone scaling to it is War grabbing it.

But I'm not scaling War directly

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

At the beginning of the game Fury also says that she could slaying demon planets.

I know this can't be used for a rating, but it is strange to imagine an 8-A character doing this

 

[DaReaperMan]

All right. So a bunch of ED feats. Nice. Nothing that's physical AP/is used on Fury.

The Ember Core scales to nobody there is no reason to discuss it any more. And before you try to say otherwise think about how it would scale. War doesn't scale to it, Strife doesn't scale to it, Vulgrim used it with a Scrying Eye to track Lucifer a bit, and everyone else has 0 possible reasons to scale.

At the beginning of the game Fury also says that she could slaying demon planets.

I know this can't be used for a rating, but it is strange to imagine an 8-A character doing this

A 9-B character can do that depending on scaling of the verse.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yes, you have no good arguments and say nothing with nothing, you simply repeat what another person says. I explain how it scales and you respond with "nobody scales" as if it were an argument. I will simply wait for more people who can discuss. And anyway, I'm going to have to leave now

And no, a 9-B character cannot kill an superhuman population of a planet more advanced than earth

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yes, you have no good arguments and say nothing with nothing, you simply repeat what another person says. I explain how it scales and you respond with "nobody scales" as if it were an argument. I will simply wait for more people who can discuss. And anyway, I'm going to have to leave now

And no, a 9-B character cannot kill an superhuman population of a planet more advanced than earth

Because I don't need many words. Environmental destruction and unusable are my arguments.

Yes, they can. It depends on the verse's scaling.

 

[azontr]

And no, a 9-B character cannot kill an superhuman population of a planet more advanced than earth

Just gonna butt in don't mind me- This is completely incorrect. Shit like hax and equipment exists to help them, it depends on the character.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

But I explained why it's not environmental destruction... And you ignored it

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Just gonna butt in don't mind me- This is completely incorrect. Shit like hax and equipment exists to help them, it depends on the character.

Fury is not a character with many hax and her only equipment is a weapon that changes shape from a whip to a hammer, sword, and so on

 

[DaReaperMan]

But I explained why it's not environmental destruction... And you ignored it

You explained why D A G O N wasn't environmental destruction. Which i countered with an outlier argument. The seven deadly are completely unusable due to both having no time frame and it being unknown whether or not it even scales to the attacks they use.

Fury is not a character with many hax and her only equipment is a weapon that changes shape from a whip to a hammer, sword, and so on

That statement had nothing to do with Fury. And an 8-A could definitely take down a planet of demons without destroying said planet.

 

[azontr]

Fury is not a character with many hax and her only equipment is a weapon that changes shape from a whip to a hammer, sword, and so on

You're statement generalized the entire tier being incapable of doing that, so I just corrected you. I'm not knowledgeable I'm just bored and saw some fukked up shiz right there.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

You explained why D A G O N wasn't environmental destruction. Which i countered with an outlier argument.

It is an outlier because you ignore most of the feats
Also, I remembered that Dagon would survive the tsunami that would change the geography of the planet, I can find a durability with that

The seven deadly are completely unusable due to both having no time frame and it being unknown whether or not it even scales to the attacks they use.

The timeframe is REALLY small, at the exact moment the sins are awakened and go to earth Fury goes at the same time, and the map is already changed. And if we consider that the verse has a power system, it is easy to argue that they scale

 

[DaReaperMan]

It is an outlier because you ignore most of the feats
Also, I remembered that Dagon would survive the tsunami that would change the geography of the planet, I can find a durability with that

The timeframe is REALLY small, at the exact moment the sins are awakened and go to earth Fury goes at the same time, and the map is already changed. And if we consider that the verse has a power system, it is easy to argue that they scale

Tsunamis are REALLY ****** weak on people so you probably wouldn't get anything higher then tier 8(even if I'd still like that calced if possible because more tier 8 reliability the better.)

You mean the unknown amount of time when the Charred Council is bullshitting that can take an entire hour and completely throws any decent results for the feats out the window?

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Tsunamis are REALLY ****** weak on people so you probably wouldn't get anything higher then tier 8(even if I'd still like that calced if possible because more tier 8 reliability the better.)

... You know that this tsunami is meant to destroy the entire surface of the planet and change its geography, right?

You mean the unknown amount of time when the Charred Council is bullshitting that can take an entire hour and completely throws any decent results for the feats out the window?

The Charred Council is said to have "eyes everywhere", they obviously have eyes on earth (The universe most protected by them). The very moment they see that sins are on earth they will call a horseman at that very moment. There is no sense in them waiting an hour. Like, nothing indicates that the timeframe is large

And yes, I'm definitely leaving now. Back in idk, 2 hours

 

[DaReaperMan]

Yeah, Tsunamis are really powerful Environmental Destruction but have dog shit damage to people. A Tsunami is far more likely to kill someone by drowning them then to kill someone with AP.

They have a bunch of spies and such, thats true. But did you forget that it was the Charred Council themselves who released the seven deadly sins on the world to kill three birds with one stone? The birds are Fury, The Seven Deadly, and Humanity. It's why I say the time frame is unknown, how Ulthane speaks of them they've been there awhile.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Yeah, Tsunamis are really powerful Environmental Destruction but have dog shit damage to people. A Tsunami is far more likely to kill someone by drowning them then to kill someone with AP.

I mean, KE is one thing. The tsunami has enormous power, since the goal was to completely change the shape of the planet so that Dagon can enjoy it with a new world. Contextually Dagon will obviously survive the tsunami, since he would rule the world, this probably including his shamans (Fooders). You can calculate the durability without difficulty, you just have to use the inverse square law.

But did you forget that it was the Charred Council themselves who released the seven deadly sins on the world to kill three birds with one stone? The birds are Fury, The Seven Deadly, and Humanity.

Yes, of course. However, they didn't want to leave any clues about the plan. Otherwise, the angels and various characters would question why it took the Charred Council so long to do any kind of action

 

[DaReaperMan]

I mean, KE is one thing. The tsunami has enormous power, since the goal was to completely change the shape of the planet so that Dagon can enjoy it with a new world. Contextually Dagon will obviously survive the tsunami, since he would rule the world, this probably including his shamans (Fooders). You can calculate the durability without difficulty, you just have to use the inverse square law.

Yes, of course. However, they didn't want to leave any clues about the plan. Otherwise, the angels and various characters would question why it took the Charred Council so long to do any kind of action

Tsunamis are like 10-A or 9-C on humans though, it wouldnt get much higher for someone like Dagon who can literally hide in a pool of water.

Doesn't mean they can't take a few hours to call Fury in, or silence those who may get the idea. They actually have done the ladder before to a Watcher. Regardless it's Environmental Destruction one way or another,

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Tsunamis are like 10-A or 9-C on humans though, it wouldnt get much higher for someone like Dagon who can literally hide in a pool of water.

I don't know why you are still talking about normal tsunamis being that this is not the case. Hiding in a water is not exactly an option, since the ritual is on land with no good place to swim

Doesn't mean they can't take a few hours to call Fury in, or silence those who may get the idea. They actually have done the ladder before to a Watcher. Regardless it's Environmental Destruction one way or another,

I can accept 30 minutes for a low-end

 

[DaReaperMan]

I don't know why you are still talking about normal tsunamis being that this is not the case. Hiding in a water is not exactly an option, since the ritual is on land with no good place to swim

I can accept 30 minutes for a low-end

Im talking about normal Tsunamis because they are the ONLY thing we have to go off of here. We're talking about Dagon, he was in a big ass pool of water for his bossfight.

Sure, it's something to put on the pages for the seven deadly. Whatever. I won't accept anything but environment destruction for it though