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Vegeta downgrade

Like i said before, this topic is based on a big assumption that Toppo somehow restrain the EE part of Hakai which nothing prove or suggest, it based on a guess that because the rule prohibit killing so Toppo Hakai miraculously doesn't have EE, despite Toppo never used the Hakai directly on Vegeta, he used normal attack on him, Hakai was only used on ki blast, but Vegeta are the one who choose to punch through it
 
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Like i said before, this topic is based on a big assumption that Toppo somehow restrain the EE part of Hakai which nothing prove or suggest, it based on a guess that because the rule prohibit killing so Toppo Hakai miraculously doesn't have EE, despite Toppo never used the Hakai directly on Vegeta, he used normal attack on him, Hakai was only used on ki blast, but Vegeta are the one who choose to punch through it
It's just a small argument that I'm using. My main argument was basically on the fact that Vegeta doesn't have an actual resistance to it. This is clearly shown by the fact that he still needs to coat his fist with ki to punch through the attack, proving that he only did it through higher ap and ki. He doesn't actually resist the ability unlike someone like Goku, who definitely does. Toppo did directly try using the attack on Vegeta, Vegeta punched through it.
 
EE didn't affect Vegeta which means he has resistance to it
Cause it never hit him, tho. He dispersed an attack of Hakai Energy due to his superior amount of ki, not because of some resistance. The fact that he has to actually coat his fist with ki just shows that he doesn't actually resist it.
 
Cause it never hit him, tho. He dispersed an attack of Hakai Energy due to his superior amount of ki, not because of some resistance. The fact that he has to actually coat his fist with ki just shows that he doesn't actually resist it.
He literally was punching toppo when was coated with the god of destruction aura
 
Cause it never hit him, tho. He dispersed an attack of Hakai Energy due to his superior amount of ki, not because of some resistance. The fact that he has to actually coat his fist with ki just shows that he doesn't actually resist it.
Again this might be a can of worms you dont want to open, because youre implying high Ki = Able to overpower hax
 
Again this might be a can of worms you dont want to open, because youre implying high Ki = Able to overpower hax
???? I'm saying that higher amounts of AP can in this case, yes. Besides, it's not like Toppo's Hakai energy attacks are a completely different type of energy. It's still ki in the end, Vegeta's was still strong enough to break through it. It wouldn't warrant any kind of resistance.
 
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You can't resist EE with durability, you need a resistance. I just realized I said this already...
Right, irl, he'd have a resistance. But it really shouldn't count as an actual resistance if the only reason it happened was because Vegeta was that much stronger than Toppo or strong enough to withstand it.
 
It's like saying that I can punch through a wall, so I have resistance to earth manipulation. It literally makes no sense.
 
It's like saying that I can punch through a wall, so I have resistance to earth manipulation. It literally makes no sense.
I can counter this with: It'd be like saying that I can punch through through the epicenter of a Nuclear explosion, and don't get atomized or irradiated so i'm just really muscular and strong.
 
I can counter this with: It'd be like saying that I can punch through through the epicenter of a Nuclear explosion, and don't get atomized or irradiated so i'm just really muscular and strong.
Interesting, thing is...if you were also punching through the epicenter with a higher amount of heat and energy coating your fist, would that still be a resistance? Exactly, it wouldn't. It's definitely an impressive AP feat, but nothing that would grant a resistance to EE.
 
Okay, then we should also remove Goku resistance to time skip then
He never should have had that resistance cause it was based on him just predicting it. He doesn't actually have much of a resistance to it.
 
Interesting, thing is...if you were also punching through the epicenter with a higher amount of heat and energy coating your fist, would that still be a resistance? Exactly, it wouldn't. It's definitely an impressive AP feat, but nothing that would grant a resistance to EE.
No amount of strength is going to suddenly make your body resistant to it's cells being withered away by radiation and cancer formation
 
No amount of strength is going to suddenly make your body resistant to it's cells being withered away by radiation and cancer formation
Again, you're not just punching with strength but coating your fist with greater amounts of energy. It wouldn't give you a resistance at all, unless you were arguing that Vegeta was still hit with the Hakai energy, which doesn't really have any basis.
 
Toppo aura literally erased their ki when it touched him.

Bro, what? You're not contradicting me at all. He literally erased their attacks wth his aura. It doesn't mean that they'd have a resistance to existence erasure, seeing as it's highly unlikely that the same would have happened to them. Besides, we know that higher amounts of ki is able to overpower the Hakai as shown with Vegeta final explosion (shit reenactment of a once beautiful moment)
 
Bro, what? You're not contradicting me at all. He literally erased their attacks wth his aura. It doesn't mean that they'd have a resistance to existence erasure, seeing as it's highly unlikely that the same would have happened to them. Besides, we know that higher amounts of ki is able to overpower the Hakai as shown with Vegeta final explosion (shit reenactment of a once beautiful moment)
I didn't say Frieza should have resistance that was just proof that toppo aura erases attacks that come in contact. And Vegeta was saw punching toppo yet didn't get erased
 
I didn't say Frieza should have resistance that was just proof that toppo aura erases attacks that come in contact. And Vegeta was saw punching toppo yet didn't get erased
Yeah...because his ki was stronger than Toppo's lol. He didn't physically punch him without coating his fist with ki, which just gives more evidence against a resistance
 
Yeah...because his ki was stronger than Toppo's lol. He didn't physically punch him without coating his fist with ki, which just gives more evidence against a resistance
He only coated is fist with once when toppo shot the energy. He didn't coat his fist with ki while punching toppo also your claims are based on assumption that he overpowered the attack when nothing states or implies it.
 

If you watch this video you would see Vegeta was using is bare fist to punch toppo and his attacks lol.

2:53, Vegeta literally blocking attacks and grappling toppo without using ki while toppo is coated in haki... What's next tarang123? you're gonna claim that vegeta's gloves have EE resistance but not vegeta himself?
 
He only coated is fist with once when toppo shot the energy. He didn't coat his fist with ki while punching toppo also your claims are based on assumption that he overpowered the attack when nothing states or implies it.
Lol what? He clearly overpowered it. It doesn’t need a statement. Just the fight itself should imply it
 
2:53, Vegeta literally blocking attacks and grappling toppo without using ki while toppo is coated in haki... What's next tarang123? you're gonna claim that vegeta's gloves have EE resistance but not vegeta himself?
Right, how does this contradict anything. It literally goes back to my point of vegeta just being stronger
 
Lol what? He clearly overpowered it. It doesn’t need a statement. Just the fight itself should imply it
You can't overpower EE. That's the point of the ability, it erases your existence. Vegeta simply has a resistance to the ability.
 
He didn’t. He literally punches him while still covering his fist with ki
 
You can't overpower EE. That's the point of the ability, it erases your existence. Vegeta simply has a resistance to the ability.
He overpowered the attack through a superior amount of ki output
 
What implies he overpowered it ? You just assumed the he did.
He did, tho. Him punching through the energy attack wasn’t enough for you? What about the fact that before the amp, even vegeta’s attacks were being erased by toppo, but after the amp toppo couldn’t do anything. Doesn’t make much sense unless you assume that vegeta gained new abilities to resist the hakai, which has no basis whatsoever
 
The basis is that hakai didn't erase him when him in contact with it. Which is a resistance no matter how you try to put it
 
He did, tho. Him punching through the energy attack wasn’t enough for you? What about the fact that before the amp, even vegeta’s attacks were being erased by toppo, but after the amp toppo couldn’t do anything. Doesn’t make much sense unless you assume that vegeta gained new abilities to resist the hakai, which has no basis whatsoever
He still didn't get erased when the energy came in contact with him. It's a resistance. What are you even trying to pull here?
 
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