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Vegeta downgrade

Tarang123

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So currently vegeta has a resistance for surviving the energy of destruction and shit like that. Unfortunately, it’s also implied that toppo purposefully made sure that it wouldn’t erase contestants, and vegeta only did this through raw power. It’s not really much of a resistance unlike, say, goku tanking the hakai.
Basically, vegeta shouldn’t have that kind of resistance
 
This isn't a downgrade.

But Toppo has in fact erased energy attacks with his hakai but could not do the same with Vegeta's final explosion as he did with Frieza's techniques.
 
RisingIons said:
This isn't a downgrade.

But Toppo has in fact erased energy attacks with his hakai but could not do the same with Vegeta's final explosion as he did with Frieza's techniques.
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Perhaps, but that's not an actual resistance, but merely just higher ap. Not sure why that would grant any kind of resistance, when Vegeta didn't even directly resist it and used an energy blast.
 
ToP Rule is not allow killing yes. But this argument is bad cuz we literally never saw Toppo directly use Hakai on Vegeta, he only use hakai on Vegeta ki blast to erase them while use his usual, normal ki blast to damage Vegeta, mean he can't restrain the EE propety in Hakai so he need to use normal ki blast to avoid EE, but Vegeta directly punch through a Hakai energy ball.

So this downgrade is based on an assumption than actual evidence
 
Vietthai96 said:
ToP Rule is not allow killing yes. But this argument is bad cuz we literally never saw Toppo directly use Hakai on Vegeta, he only use hakai on Vegeta ki blast to erase them while use his usual, normal ki blast to damage Vegeta, mean he can't restrain the EE propety in Hakai so he need to use normal ki blast to avoid EE, but Vegeta directly punch through a Hakai energy ball.

So this downgrade is based on an assumption than actual evidence
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I know the argument isn't really that good, but my point was that Vegeta's EE resistance is because he's able to lock hands with Toppo despite Toppo stating that he intentionally made it so that they wouldn't get erased by it. A possible resistance seems more likely anyway.

I don't know where the argument of "he can't properly control his Hakai energy ball's EE property" when he clearly showed that he can against Frieza. Vegeta punching through the ball was literally just due to his increased AP. It wouldn't grant any kind of resistance and wouldn't be a very solid resistance either. This is a similar reason as to why he's able to just swat away Toppo's energy blasts when they were damaging him earlier, it's just a higher AP boost.

"So this downgrade is based on an assumption than actual evidence"...no. This downgrade is based on the fact that Vegeta's resistance doesn't even qualify as an actual resistance, it's just merely higher AP. A possible resistance is fine with me, but it's definitely not a solid resistance (I honestly don't like repeating myself cause it's extremely redundant)
 
Ok than Goku and Frieza also needs their resistance removed
 
Goku and freiza can keep thiers as they were outside the ToP so the jo killing rule doesnt apply then
 
Spinoirr said:
Goku and freiza can keep thiers as they were outside the ToP so the jo killing rule doesnt apply then
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No killing rule isn't the issue Toppo legit used Hakai against Vegeta so if Vegeta get's his removed so will Goku and Frieza
 
i disagree vegeta achievement hits toppo bypassing barrwra hakai when all that touched her was erased
 
Rez said:
No killing rule isn't the issue Toppo legit used Hakai against Vegeta so if Vegeta get's his removed so will Goku and Frieza
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It is because Toppo doesn’t want to erase anybody so it is extremely likely he controlled his hakai while with Sidra’s hakai was absolutely ment to erase freeza from existence
 
JirensMom said:
It is because Toppo doesn’t want to erase anybody so it is extremely likely he controlled his hakai while with Sidra’s hakai was absolutely ment to erase freeza from existence
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I don't think so Toppo wasn't using it against Vegeta directly prior to this at all once Vegeta started overpowering him he kind of started using it again and again.
 
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FluffyCreatureZ said:
Nah, I disagree, frieza and 17 couldn't touch toppo because if they did they'd get erased, but vegeta punched right through him.
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What? When did that happen? They just couldn't hurt him with ki blasts. Vegeta was physically fighting him cause he scaled high enough to take hits from him.
 
Rez said:
I don't think so Toppo wasn't using it against Vegeta directly prior to this at all once Vegeta started overpowering him he kind of started using it again and again.
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The thing is, it's quite clear in the Vegeta case that he just overpowered the Hakai energy, while Frieza endured it (albeit, Frieza's resistance should also be removed). Goku's resistance can't physically be removed because he didn't scale to it and still resisted its effects. That's textbook definition resistance right there
 
I mean if you're assuming "He overpowered it with AP", then there also comes the argument of "having High enough Ki allows you to overpower hax".
 
This is a good point actually. It would seem strange for Zen'o, GP and others to allow existence erasing attacks in a setting that explicitly bans killing (and the point of the tournament is to not get erased from existence too anyway)

Maybe Toppos hakai doesnt work on living beings? Or he did selectively choose not to erase Vegeta?
 
No, Belmod told Toppo to erase all attacks it doesn't matter as long as you don't kill Vegeta so Toppo started throwing the Hakais all over the place until Vegeta destroyed a hakai with his punch and later overpowered the biggest hakai.
So Toppo was literally trying to erase/destroy there
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
This is a good point actually. It would seem strange for Zen'o, GP and others to allow existence erasing attacks in a setting that explicitly bans killing (and the point of the tournament is to not get erased from existence too anyway)

Maybe Toppos hakai doesnt work on living beings? Or he did selectively choose not to erase Vegeta?
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Belmod implied that Hakai works there, he told Toppo to use it on attacks, as long as he doesn't kill his opponent it's fine.
 
FluffyCreatureZ said:
Doesn't matter if vegeta overpowered it, it's still a resistance, you can't resist EE with durability.
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it doesn't count as a resistance. All he showed was higher ap. It's not any kind of resistance. Besides, you could point out that he needed to coat his fist with ki to break through it anyway, which just further breaks down the resistance.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
They forgot a lot, like the World of Void prohibiting the use of Flight. You cannot tell me that Goku, Vegeta, 17, and Jiren were just jumping.
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You could honestly argue it. Besides, they were definitely not flying. If you watch the fight carefully, they clearly couldn't fly, it's just pacing and shit like that in DBS makes no sense. 5 minute fight takes several episodes to finish.
 
YukaSama4 said:
No, Belmod told Toppo to erase all attacks it doesn't matter as long as you don't kill Vegeta so Toppo started throwing the Hakais all over the place until Vegeta destroyed a hakai with his punch and later overpowered the biggest hakai.
So Toppo was literally trying to erase/destroy there
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Except for the fact that Vegeta's feat actually proves that having higher ki output is enough to overpower the hakai, which isn't even a resistance to begin with. It's just an AP feat.
 
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