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Jiren Dragon Ball Super CRT.

Goku doesn't scale to his tier because of beerus, he scales because he performed a feat
This is why Goku is universe level.
I guess what you are trying to say is that to remove the holding back key from Jiren despite characters scaling to it, I understand why you want to do that, but I think that it's better to keep it because that key is very important to the scaling.
 
I guess what you are trying to say is that to remove the holding back key from Jiren despite characters scaling to it, I understand why you want to do that, but I think that it's better to keep it because that key is very important to the scaling.
Doesnt matter, really it doesnt matter, place the characters in that key, but Jiren himself shouldnt have it, he was holding back becsuse there didnt have a strong foe during most of time in ToP, thats all
 
Doesnt matter, really it doesnt matter, place the characters in that key, but Jiren himself shouldnt have it, he was holding back becsuse there didnt have a strong foe during most of time in ToP, thats all
Without that key, the scaling doesn't make sense, because the characters would scale to key that doesn't exist. It should stay.
 
Without that key, the scaling doesn't make sense, because the characters would scale to key that doesn't exist. It should stay.
No? Jiren already was rated as superior than zamasu even holding back, so, scaling the characters to a supressed jiren already give low 2-C ratings to the characters, but Jiren himself doesnt need it
 
Jiren already was rated as superior than zamasu even holding back, so, scaling the characters to a supressed jiren already give low 2-C ratings to the characters
Which is why that key should stay, it's not for Jiren it's for the other characters. I'll wait for more opinions first though, probably staff.
 
No? Jiren already was rated as superior than zamasu even holding back, so, scaling the characters to a supressed jiren already give low 2-C ratings to the characters, but Jiren himself doesnt need it
Yeah, but that kind of justification is still useful and more organized. It’
 
Transcending time (kinda), shaking the world of void, being above characters like Kefla, etc.
Shaking world of void got debunked.
Transcending time is not the reason, the world of void is just a infinite structure (nah, the infinite is just a wrong translation LOL), and Kefla is just scaling to a holding back Jiren who scales above Infinite zamasu, these characters can keep their Low 2-C keys, but Jiren was just holding back, thats my point, scaling the characters to a holding back Jiren is Okay, but Jiren keeping the wrong key is not okay
Yeah, suppressed jiren should be low 2-C.

Not my point, Goku scales to a supressed Beerus, and Beerus doesnt have a 3-A key due it
Even beerus holding back should be low 2-C tho.
 
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