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Lucifer hax downgrade
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Also I believe Lucifer got transduality because he is outside the system of "God", which I think qualifies for it - if I understand the power properly.
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im pretty sure that sometimes when trusted knowledgeable members present stuff they can get it accepted without scans I think at least, cus I’ve seen it done before
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The logic used there was transcending creation which isn’t transduality at all. At the very least, the justification for it should be changed. Otherwise, the entire ability should be nuked.
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Perhaps, but there should be an actual reason for those abilities to be there
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Not anymore, especially for comics. We gotta bring out crap tons of sources with it too now.
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No, not transcending the creation, but existing outside of the God's system, which is different.
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True, but the DC pages are fairly outdated, so these kinds of things need to be revised.
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It literally says transcending creation. You can go check it for yourself
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Which ones specifically have lucifers feats
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Probably the ones from vertigo like sandman…
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He had his own series which ran for over 70 issues to my recalling. Plus around 20 issues or so of Sandman.
You can find the full list here:
Lucifer Morningstar (New Earth)/Appearances
dc.fandom.com
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you can't bump this quickly, only after 8 - 12 hours of no interactions
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I agree with the removal of transduality. Existing outside of the Multiverse doesn’t warrant transduality as the Thought Robot also stood outside of creation within the Overvoid, and he’s not transdual. Therefore there’s no reason Lucifer should have it for doing the same thing.
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The reason for transduality is because he exist out of Yahweh system to the cosmological. But I don't if that gives transduality or not.
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It really shouldn’t
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From what I’m seeing it should be more along the lines of acausality then transduality
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Yeah, causality is much more reasonable
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Lucifer 2000,2016,2018 and other Sandman books he came and did ***** then left. I ain't reading his books again.
All who made Lucifer profiles have left only antvasima who remains.
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It should, tho it might be dying out. Assuming that it was ever active to begin with
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After rereading a lot of comics, I’d like to change my stance on whether Lucifer should or should not keep his transduality.
Technically the Lords of Order and Chaos birthed duality(Dr Fate 1988 issues #6). And their system is described as an endless, looping remix containing and upholding the entirety of space and time (Eternity girl #4). And Lucifer exist along with many others in the Godsphere which is consistently stated to be outside of space and time. Making it a transdual plane of existence since it transcends space and time which is what the dual system made by the Lords of Order and Chaos encompasses and upholds. Lucifer has also ventured out into the Overvoid which is also outside of space and time (Lucifer #75).
So Lucifer should keep his transduality as it makes sense using the evidence I’ve laid out for him to have it. Now what the question really becomes is what type of transduality should Lucifer have because his page doesn't specify whether he has type 1, 2, 3, or 4.
Technically the Lords of Order and Chaos birthed duality(Dr Fate 1988 issues #6). And their system is described as an endless, looping remix containing and upholding the entirety of space and time (Eternity girl #4). And Lucifer exist along with many others in the Godsphere which is consistently stated to be outside of space and time. Making it a transdual plane of existence since it transcends space and time which is what the dual system made by the Lords of Order and Chaos encompasses and upholds. Lucifer has also ventured out into the Overvoid which is also outside of space and time (Lucifer #75).
So Lucifer should keep his transduality as it makes sense using the evidence I’ve laid out for him to have it. Now what the question really becomes is what type of transduality should Lucifer have because his page doesn't specify whether he has type 1, 2, 3, or 4.
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Probably type 2 maybe 3. Doesn’t seem to be enough for type 4.
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Its type 4 cause it's a 1-a character.
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No, that's not how it works.
Lucifer would have Type 3. Type 4 would be if things such as Many Valued Logic are introduced.
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I’m not very familiar with transduality scaling so could you explain why it would be type 3 over something like type 2?
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Type 2 is a very limited form of Transduality that only pertains to a certain degree or plane of existence.
Type 3 is a more general form of Transduality which has no such restrictions.
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Yeah stuff like logic was said and explain in comics it has do with people like the presence but have forgotten the issue. Or maybe am remembering something wrong.
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Okay, but is it described in terms of non-classical or many valued logic? For example a Type 4 transdual would transcend the distinction between Dual and Non-Dual, inserting a "third" value between True or False.
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I really can't remember but I remember presence having type 4 but now it's not specified.
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It also seems like Lucifer transduality isn't specified.
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Thanks. Also one more question. If there’s a dual system that encompasses and upholds the entirety of time and space. Would a higher level of existence that transcends and exist outside of the time and space dual system automatically be 1A?
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I believe this would generally be considered sufficient for 1-A if the system is also shown to encompass higher dimensions
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couldn't it just be higher into whatever dimensionality the verse follows?
