Question about Multiversal Tiering

[liluzivert]

On this site, characters who are stated to be able to destroy a universe with no mentions of space-time are 3-A, but how come this logic is ignored when it comes to multiverse tiers? There’s plenty of multiversal characters by destroying infinite universes, yet with no mention of space-time. Is there any explanation of this? Wouldn’t it just be high 3-A if you destroyed an infinite amount of matter?

 

[Thelastmlg]

If you explictly "empty" the multiverse by destroying only the universes there in some weird precise way, you would just be 3-A to high 3-A.

You don't need mentioning of spacetime if they destroy the entire multiverse, as in, the whole structure.

Also you NEED to affect spacetime to destroy multiple universes at once since they aren't separated by just matter, but by 5th (not the low 1-C type) dimensional axis, since many universes tend to be alternate timelines.

 

[liluzivert]

If you explictly "empty" the multiverse by destroying only the universes there in some weird precise way, you would just be 3-A to high 3-A.

You don't need mentioning of spacetime if they destroy the entire multiverse, as in, the whole structure.

Also you NEED to affect spacetime to destroy multiple universes at once since they aren't separated by just matter, but by 5th (not the low 1-C type) dimensional axis, since many universes tend to be alternate timelines.

That makes more sense. But now you got me confused, why wouldn’t alternate timelines be 5th dimensional?

 

[Thelastmlg]

They are not 5th dimensional themselves, they are separated because of the 5th dimension, which is more of "a dimension that deals with alternate universes" than "a higher dimension above the 4th one"

 

[liluzivert]

They are not 5th dimensional themselves, they are separated because of the 5th dimension, which is more of "a dimension that deals with alternate universes" than "a higher dimension above the 4th one"

Why would there be two 5th dimensions? If it’s an extra axis doesn’t it quality as a higher dimension? idk, I just don’t understand

 

[Ionliosite]

There aren't two 5th dimensions, just that the 5th dimension as a geometric axis is the one that mathematically exists, since a 5th dimension as a Low 1-C place isn't the same thing as mathematics describe as the 5th dimension and its name is basically an artifact from when this site used mathematical dimensions as Tier 1.

 

[liluzivert]

There aren't two 5th dimensions, just that the 5th dimension as a geometric axis is the one that mathematically exists, since a 5th dimension as a Low 1-C place isn't the same thing as mathematics describe as the 5th dimension and its name is basically an artifact from when this site used mathematical dimensions as Tier 1.

That’s reasonable, but why doesn’t the site use mathematic dimensions anymore?

 

[Ionliosite]

Because having a higher number of geometric axis has no reason to make you stronger. We ditched it in favour of set theory long time ago.

 

[Sus]

Also you NEED to affect spacetime to destroy multiple universes at once since they aren't separated by just matter, but by 5th (not the low 1-C type) dimensional axis, since many universes tend to be alternate timelines.

not necessarily if the universes are not separate timelines, there could be a multiverse with 1 timeline, like dragon ball

 

[Thelastmlg]

That wouldn't be 2-C, that would be low 2-C, the zeno page already brings this up.

We consider the universes in Dragon Ball alternate time-spaces relative to each other, hence why Zen'ō is rated as 2-C, despite the events in the Goku Black Saga showing parallel timelines encompassing the whole of the multiverse.

The reason for this is that Universe 7 by itself has already been shown to contain parallel space-time continuums within its globe, such as the Room of Spirit and Time, which is still affected by time travel; which proves that the new timelines can encompass other space-times as well, and thus the events in the Future Trunks Saga don't prove anything in the way of the universes being physically connected.

this is just for dragon ball, not for any timeline encompassing multiple universes

 

[Sus]

That wouldn't be 2-C, that would be low 2-C, the zeno page already brings this up.

We consider the universes in Dragon Ball alternate time-spaces relative to each other, hence why Zen'ō is rated as 2-C, despite the events in the Goku Black Saga showing parallel timelines encompassing the whole of the multiverse.

The reason for this is that Universe 7 by itself has already been shown to contain parallel space-time continuums within its globe, such as the Room of Spirit and Time, which is still affected by time travel; which proves that the new timelines can encompass other space-times as well, and thus the events in the Future Trunks Saga don't prove anything in the way of the universes being physically connected.

this is just for dragon ball, not for any timeline encompassing multiple universes

I wasn't saying it's 2C, i was just noting that it's possible to affect multiple universes without needing 5 dimensional power,

 

[QuasiYuri]

On this site, characters who are stated to be able to destroy a universe with no mentions of space-time are 3-A, but how come this logic is ignored when it comes to multiverse tiers? There’s plenty of multiversal characters by destroying infinite universes, yet with no mention of space-time. Is there any explanation of this? Wouldn’t it just be high 3-A if you destroyed an infinite amount of matter?

I actually have a revision ready for that, but there's another that need to be finished (or not) before I can post it.

 

[Thelastmlg]

I wasn't saying it's 2C, i was just noting that it's possible to affect multiple universes without needing 5 dimensional power,

Is not 5th dimensional power, is the power to destroy them all at once with a blast that travels through the multiverse between he borders of timeline

True 5th dimensional power would be low 1-C

 

[Sus]

Is not 5th dimensional power, is the power to destroy them all at once with a blast that travels through the multiverse between he borders of timeline

True 5th dimensional power would be low 1-C

I didn't mean that neither
otherwise you're correct