Guldo downupgrade

[Nullflowerblush]

Guldo should be "5-B with Telekinesis".

• Guldo only ever uses his psychic powers in dire situations, so his psychic powers are obviously stronger than what he can put out normally.
• Vegeta urgently warned Gohan and Krillin about his psychic powers.
• Guldo managed to completely restrain both Gohan and Krillin, both of which were 5-B.
• The Daizenshuu 2 states that Gohan and Krillin only won because of Vegeta's intervention.
• The Daizenshuu 7 states that Guldo pushed Gohan and Krillin to the wall.
• No, his powers are not hax. They are explicitly the forced movement of matter, so he needed to have enough power to control their bodies.

Also, why does Guldo scale to Nappa? Vegeta makes note of his exceptionally low power, and nobody ever compares Guldo and Nappa to my knowledge. On top of that, Krillin, who only had a Power Level of 10,000, was capable of effortlessly blitzing him on multiple occasions, and could have one-shot him with his initial blast alongside Gohan.

He has no reason to magically scale above Nappa. He should either be Unknown or 5-C normally scaling off of the Frieza Soldiers—I doubt Frieza would enlist a guy weaker than his Soldiers into the Ginyu Force, regardless of what powers he had.

 

[Purgy]

Why would restraining someone with TK mean you scale to their AP?

Actually on second thought, iirc it was implied he'd be able to injure them by throwing trees and stuff at them with his TK, so I guess it makes sense.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Why would restraining someone with TK mean you scale to their AP?

In spite of their 5-B strength, Gohan and Krillin were powerless against him which means he can counter planetary forces with his powers.
Also, if I recall correctly, part of Shin's justifications include telekinetically restraining Gohan at the Budokai.

 

[Purgy]

In spite of their 5-B strength, Gohan and Krillin were powerless against him which means he can counter planetary forces with his powers.
Also, if I recall correctly, part of Shin's justifications include telekinetically restraining Gohan at the Budokai.

Resisting TK has absolutely nothing to do with AP though, if anything it would be lifting strength, but I've even been told that that has nothing to do with it either.

None of Shin's justifications have anything to do with restraining Gohan, in fact, he doesn't even scale to the SSJ2 Gohan he restrained at all.

But my other point stands, he was implied to be capable of injuring them by throwing stuff at them with his TK, so he should still be 5-B with TK anyway.

 

[Antvasima]

I think that we only count this as lifting strength, but am not entirely certain.

@DemonGodMitchAubin

What do you think?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

AP stays as 5-B

Striking Class becomes “Unknown physically, 5-B with Telekinesis”

If he has 0 Durability feats on the level of 5-B, then his Durability becomes unknown

 

[Orange]

Tho I wonder-
since ki scales to all of your stat [dura, speed, AP etc] if he had low 5-B in his AP, he should get it in dura too I assume

 

[Nullflowerblush]

What about the Nappa stuff?

 

[Antvasima]

AP stays as 5-B

Striking Class becomes “Unknown physically, 5-B with Telekinesis”

If he has 0 Durability feats on the level of 5-B, then his Durability becomes unknown

Thank you, but I think that you likely made a mistake above. Attack Potency/Tier automatically scales from striking strength, and striking strength is only for physical attacks, not ones via telekinesis.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Thank you, but I think that you likely made a mistake above. Attack Potency/Tier automatically scales from striking strength, and striking strength is only for physical attacks, not ones via telekinesis.

Well if he can strike with his Telekinesis like Dyst from Fairy Tail can, then 5-B with Telekinesis works

 

[Antvasima]

It seems like he mainly has feats of holding 5-B characters captive with his telekinesis, but I may misremember.

 

[Kulf_Boba]

bump

 

[Antvasima]

What are the staff conclusions here so far?

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Tho I wonder-
since ki scales to all of your stat [dura, speed, AP etc] if he had low 5-B in his AP, he should get it in dura too I assume

No, this is a special ability, he doesn't scale to it.

 

[Antvasima]

AP stays as 5-B

Striking Class becomes “Unknown physically, 5-B with Telekinesis”

If he has 0 Durability feats on the level of 5-B, then his Durability becomes unknown

Well if he can strike with his Telekinesis like Dyst from Fairy Tail can, then 5-B with Telekinesis works

It seems like he mainly has feats of holding 5-B characters captive with his telekinesis, but I may misremember.

@DarkDragonMedeus

What do you think about this?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm fine with this

 

[Thelastmlg]

It seems like he mainly has feats of holding 5-B characters captive with his telekinesis, but I may misremember.

The "striking part" refers tohim being implied to be able to serious harm 5-B by chunking stufd like a broken tree at them

 

[Antvasima]

I'm fine with this

Thank you. It can probably be applied then.

 

[Antvasima]

The "striking part" refers tohim being implied to be able to serious harm 5-B by chunking stufd like a broken tree at them

Okay.