Count Dooku vs Starkiller

[ColtonTheOmniProjection]

Rules:​

• Both are at their strongest
• Both are willing to kill each other at all costs
• Speed is Equalized

Count Dooku: 1

Starkiller: 1

 

[aeneax]

Old dude who, while tired, was equal to AOTC Yoda, who is more powerful than ROTS Yoda.

vs.

Guy who struggled against a sub-TPM Jinn character

I was looking for a kind of sword fighting that was reminiscent of what was in the movies that we’d already done, but a more energized version of it. Because we’d never seen real Jedi’s at work, we’d only seen, you know, old men and crippled, half-droid, half-men and young boys that had learned from these people. So, to see a Jedi fighting in the prime of the Jedi, I wanted it to be a much more energetic and faster version of what we’ve been doing.

Starkiller lasting 3 seconds against Fisto would be a ******* miracle.

 

[Cropfist]

Starkiller > Vader > Dooku

 

[ColtonTheOmniProjection]

How is AOTC Yoda more powerful then ROTS Yoda? Starkiller, was able to best Vader in a One on One confrontation, and contest with Emperor Palpatine. How is that on TPM Qui Gon Jinn level? Starkiller can take down Fisto quite easily if he can hold his own against Emperor Palpatine, who killed Fisto in just a couple seconds.

 

[aeneax]

Yoda declines in power.

This is from the scan I linked above:

"Incredible. While age matters not, only five can I lift since I passed 700." - Yoda

This quote refers to a decline in Force powers.
These two, however, refers to a physical decline:

"Though it was true that he had slowed slightly in the years that Windu had known him, Yoda's skill with a lightsaber was still second to none on the council."

"Palpatine is too strong for the aging Yoda." - Comics Companion

And a quote for general decline:

I would feel more comfortable if I knew they were on their way to Vjun. I think the world of Master Yoda, but he is very old, and perhaps not all that he once was. The idea of him facing Count Dooku alone, in the Count's stronghold... it makes my blood run cold.

"Is there such a thing as too much power?" Dooku mused. "For instance," he continued carefully, "there was a day when your power was clearly greater than mine. Today, however I have waxed as you have waned. You stand in my citadel. I have at my command servants and droids and great powers of my own that I think would overwhelm even you.

Yoda has already been declining for 200 years on his own. In ROTS, he even has to deal with the emotional distubance caused by Order 66, and when he finally breaks through and pierces the dark side clouding effect set in motion by Plagueis and Sidious, the only thing he sees is that he's bound to lose against Sidious.

 

[aeneax]

How is AOTC Yoda more powerful then ROTS Yoda? Starkiller, was able to best Vader in a One on One confrontation, and contest with Emperor Palpatine. How is that on TPM Qui Gon Jinn level? Starkiller can take down Fisto quite easily if he can hold his own against Emperor Palpatine who killed Fisto in just a couple seconds.

Starkiller exploded all of his power and couldn't even scratch Palpatine's robe iirc. Suit Vader's standing has just been declining nonstop for years now.

ANH Obi-Wan > ANH Vader:

"At first, Lucas and the writers debated whether it was appropriate for Vader to resort to these "tricks" and if viewers wouldn't wonder why he hadn't used them during his duel with Obi-Wan on the Death Star, but immediately arose the simple explanation that Obi-Wan was more powerful than Vader so it would have proved useless."

TPM Obi-Wan > ANH Obi-Wan

“In every episode from 4,5 and 6, I kept improving the sword fighting because the assumption was Luke was getting to be a better fighter, he was learning more. But at the same time he wasn’t being trained as an original Jedi would’ve been trained.

In Empire strikes back it’s the first time that the antagonist and protagonist actually fight each other so that it is a very big fight and Luke now has become proficient enough to face Darth Vader. So it’s a slightly one sided sword fight where Vader has the advantage over him.

He was fighting the man who he thought was his bitter enemy. He was fighting as hard as he could. He was fighting the man who killed his father, Obi Wan Kenobi, personified evil in the universe. Then in the next fight it’s more of an equal competition. Centred on more of the emotion than the fight itself.
video of rage Luke battering Vader

Then when we move to the prequels, where there were Jedi in their full flower and fighting as they were in the past. Then we had to make the fights much much faster, much more sophisticated and much more aggressive in the way they fought.
video of TPM Maul vs Obi Wan and Qui Gon

And we continued that.
video of AOTC Anakin vs Dooku

The fights actually become much more ferocious then say the ones in 4,5 and 6."
video of Yoda vs Dooku

-Birth of a Lightsaber by George Lucas

ANH Vader was humiliated in a one-on-one fight against TPM Maul and had to resort to a suicidal attack to even win. On the other hand, AOTC Anakin is confirmed by WoG to be far more powerful than TPM Maul.

And then you have Dooku, whose power was such Mother Talzin believed draining his energy would make her more powerful than ever, despite her spirit form matching S6 Windu and later, in a incomplete state, matching SOD Sidious.

 

[ColtonTheOmniProjection]

Bump.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Going by our Profiles here, Starkiller ******* stomps him since Lord Starkiller is considered stronger than FU2 Starkiller, who beat a post ANH Vader.

 

[hellothere]

Dooku utterly curbstomps. SK is outright capped beneath ESB Luke:
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https://media.**********.net/attachments/887463486517575780/940813065518219305/8332814-0832323912-2021-.png

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Dooku utterly curbstomps. SK is outright capped beneath ESB Luke:
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https://media.**********.net/attachments/887463486517575780/940813065518219305/8332814-0832323912-2021-.png

Didn't he beat Vader though? Twice? Once against Pre-ANH Vader and again, albeit with a rage amp, against Post-ANH Vader. Also Lord Starkiller stomped an Enraged Darkside Amped ESB Luke.

 

[hellothere]

Didn't he beat Vader though? Twice? Once against Pre-ANH Vader and again, albeit with a rage amp, against Post-ANH Vader. Also Lord Starkiller stomped an Enraged Darkside Amped ESB Luke.

A significantly pre-prime Vader:
Within the armed forces Vader now holds absolute power over the higher Imperial officers who scorned him earlier in his career. This situation reflects Vader's greater mastery over himself and over the Force in the time since the Battle of Yavin, an improvement that is readily apparent in his lightsaber style during the duel with Luke Skywalker on Bespin. Vader has largely freed himself of pain through the Force in the years since the Battle of Yavin and, by practice with living opponents both willing and unwilling, he has advanced his lightsaber technique. Baron Orman Tagge serves as testament to Vader's technique by this era, precisely blinded in both eyes by Vader's blade in a duel. Vader is thus a far more formidable foe on Bespin than he was against Ben Kenobi on the Death Star.
Source: Insider 62

And that was contextual as well. We have author quotes capping SK at TFU Vader level.

When we focus tested the concepts we didn't tell the testers anything about the story. One of the overriding feedback answers was that they wanted the apprentice to be human, athletic and powerful. Not too powerful though, as he shouldn't eclipse Vader. But the key thing was that they wanted to look at the character and see that he could be redeemed. Obviously redemption is one of the key themes of the Star Wars saga. They all said it was great hunting down Jedi and being Vader's dog but ultimately they wanted the character to be redeemed.

Source: Haden Blackman, the Guardian interview

I'm talking about TFU SK here, not Lord SK

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I mean the matchup is using Lord Starkiller since the OP said it's both of them at their strongest so....