Snyderman Vs Lord Starkiller

[Pyro9278]

Superman (Scales to 62.48 Zettatons):

• Superman SnyderVerse
• Scales to Class Z (17.076 Quintillion Metric Tons)
• Bloodlusted

Lord Starkiller (Upscales to 59.44 Zettatons): 1 ( @Doggo )

• Lord Starkiller
• Starkiller is in Character

Note:
The fight takes place on the second Death Star, in the Emperor's chamber. Start 15 meters away.
Speed is not equalized (Starkiller has an advantage of 6.58x in reactions and combat speed).
SBA from the rest.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Starkiller has crazy advantages, idk if Superman stands a chance-

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Starkiller has crazy advantages, idk if Superman stands a chance-

Superman has an advantage in attack speed with heat vision.

 

[Pyro9278]

Starkiller has crazy advantages, idk if Superman stands a chance-

Superman can resist TK due to his LS advantage and wouldn't be affected by Starkiller's lightsaber, which is one of Starkiller first options. Additionally, Starkiller has no resistance to heat vision, sonic screams, or Superman's freeze breath, who shouldn't be holding back.

Heat vision is also nearly as fast as Starkiller's reactions, which will be a problem if he closes the distance since it will be harder to dodge even with Force Sense. Adding to this, Superman can use the location to his advantage, destroying the environment to absorb solar energy directly from space, or even send Starkiller there.

That said, I'm not denying that Starkiller has quite a few advantages in hax, I'm just clarifying that Superman does have wincons.

 

[Ozcantabak]

Superman's value is 62.48 zettatons.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Superman can resist TK

But Starkiller can still attack his internal organs.

wouldn't be affected by Starkiller's lightsaber, which is one of Starkiller first options.

The legends lightsaber is as hot as the core of a star.

Starkiller has no resistance to heat vision

Although it can be reflected with the lightsaber, not that Starkiller can do that.

EDIT: And be absorbed/reflected by Tutaminis.

 

[Pyro9278]

Superman's value is 62.48 zettatons.

Thanks, I couldn't get the exact value.

 

[Pyro9278]

But Starkiller can still attack his internal organs.

It's one of Starkiller's wincons, although I don't know if that should apply as LS.

The legends lightsaber is as hot as the core of a star.

It was 15 million Kelvin, right? Superman scales to 3.5 million, though I think he increases it quite a bit by resisting his own vision. Anyway, the Saber would take a few presumably seconds to pierce it due to its heat resistance.

Although it can be reflected with the lightsaber, not that Starkiller can do that.

EDIT: And be absorbed/reflected by Tutaminis.

I'd forgotten about reflection, though I don't know how it would work against a constant beam of heat hitting him hard.

And I don't think Tutaminis can be used as a heat resistance.

 

[Ozcantabak]

If Supes can hit Starkiller even once i'm pretty sure he's cooked.
Cyborg physically tanks the 62.48 Zettaton value, Wonder Woman is physically superior to him (tho not by much they are still comparable) Doomsday and Steppenwolf both are physically superior to WW but WW's sword can cut their skin like butter while it does nothing to Steppenwolfs armor which Supes can destroy with his hands and heatvision while holding back, in short Cyborg=<WW<<Doomsday<Steppenwolf<<<Supes.

 

[Pyro9278]

If Supes can hit Starkiller even once i'm pretty sure he's cooked.
Cyborg physically tanks the 62.48 Zettaton value, Wonder Woman is physically superior to him (tho not by much they are still comparable) Doomsday and Steppenwolf both are physically superior to WW but WW's sword can cut their skin like butter while it does nothing to Steppenwolfs armor which Supes can destroy with his hands and heatvision while holding back, in short Cyborg=<WW<<Doomsday<Steppenwolf<<<Supes.

Superman's advantage is 1.05x, a hilariously minuscule thing that's still close. So it's far from a one-shot, and if anything, Starkiller can make up the difference with Force amplifiers.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

It's one of Starkiller's wincons, although I don't know if that should apply as LS.

No internal organs so I don't know. But Starkiller can just attack without relying on the LS I think, plus I don't know if Superman would be okay after having his brain shaken.

It was 15 million Kelvin, right? Superman scales to 3.5 million, though I think he increases it quite a bit by resisting his own vision. Anyway, the Saber would take a few presumably seconds to pierce it due to its heat resistance.

That's many millions of Kelvin more, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be difficult to cut.

I'd forgotten about reflection, though I don't know how it would work against a constant beam of heat hitting him hard.

And I don't think Tutaminis can be used as a heat resistance.

I mean, heat is energy so I think it can be used.

And yes, it can be used continuously, just as Starkiller did against the Emperor, using Tutaminis continuously to protect himself from lightning.

 

[Ozcantabak]

Superman's advantage is 1.05x, a hilariously minuscule thing that's still close. So it's far from a one-shot, and if anything, Starkiller can make up the difference with Force amplifiers.

Bro i know the gap between their values is 1.05x but because Supes is one shot gap stronger than other characters in the verse he scales far above that value.

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Superman has an advantage in attack speed with heat vision.

Starkiller has forcefields and attack reflection with both the TK force as well as Lightsaberr

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Starkiller has forcefields and attack reflection with both the TK force as well as Lightsaberr

Ignore what I said, I thought the speed was equalized lol.

 

[Pyro9278]

Bro i know the gap between their values is 1.05x but because Supes is one shot gap stronger than other characters in the verse he scales far above that value.

It's true that Superman scales higher, but he's not going to one-shot or completely overwhelm Starkiller just because of the scaling chain. One thing is how it's shown in-verse and how it's applied statistically, and like I said, in any case, Starkiller can reach him with his Force amplifiers.

No internal organs so I don't know. But Starkiller can just attack without relying on the LS I think, plus I don't know if Superman would be okay after having his brain shaken.

Yeah this is going to cook Superman

That's many millions of Kelvin more, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be difficult to cut.

And I'm not denying that it will cut him easily; a few seconds is nothing. I'm just saying that his resistance would at least serve to avoid dying from the first thrust. Although it would surely leave him with severe wounds.

I mean, heat is energy so I think it can be used.

And yes, it can be used continuously, just as Starkiller did against the Emperor, using Tutaminis continuously to protect himself from lightning.

it's not like it's a universal energy type. Heat is very different from electricity, and even though the latter emits heat, it doesn't mean he can absorb purely heat-based attacks. They are different kinds of hax.

 

[Ozcantabak]

It's true that Superman scales higher, but he's not going to one-shot or completely overwhelm Starkiller just because of the scaling chain. One thing is how it's shown in-verse and how it's applied statistically, and like I said, in any case, Starkiller can reach him with his Force amplifiers.

But he will, the fact that Superman was able to destroy Steppenwolf's armor shows he is one shot gap above him, a person who already upscales from the 62 zettaton value. I know Galen can amp himself but i highly doubt he can close a one-shot gap power level.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

it's not like it's a universal energy type. Heat is very different from electricity, and even though the latter emits heat, it doesn't mean he can absorb purely heat-based attacks. They are different kinds of hax.

Tutaminis can also work on heat-based blasters, so I don't see why it wouldn't be able to absorb it.

 

[Pyro9278]

Tutaminis can also work on heat-based blasters, so I don't see why it wouldn't be able to absorb it.

Oh right, I'd forgotten that.

Though there must be a difference between gusts and a near-stellar heat current.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Oh right, I'd forgotten that.

Though there must be a difference between gusts and a near-stellar heat current.

Tutaminis can be used on anything energy based. That's why Kakashi vs Obi Wan was deemed a stomp in Obi Wan's favors, as force amps/tutaminis invalidates Kakashi's arsenal and Obi Wan would simply just use force crush if Kakashi started with Susanoo

 

[Pyro9278]

Tutaminis can be used on anything energy based. That's why Kakashi vs Obi Wan was deemed a stomp in Obi Wan's favors, as force amps/tutaminis invalidates Kakashi's arsenal and Obi Wan would simply just use force crush if Kakashi started with Susanoo

Was Tutaminis that broken? Then I better change this.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Was Tutaminis that broken? Then I better change this.

No. That's Force Crush, the same shit Starkiller uses against AT-ATs in TFU game, and what Obi Wan does here.



Tutaminis is just energy absorption that invalidates anything energy based

 

[Pyro9278]

No. That's Force Crush, the same shit Starkiller uses against AT-ATs in TFU game, and what Obi Wan does here.

I didn't mean that, I meant that the takeover itself is enough to take a significant win away from Snyderman.

 

[TegamiBachi25]

I didn't mean that, I meant that the takeover itself is enough to take a significant win away from Snyderman.

Tutaminis isn't an entirely be all end all win con.

Oh wait, I just remembered Legends Force Users mindhax is somewhere in the thousands to millions, and Starkiller in game consistently leads with having people go **** themselves. I just think Starkiller precogs, fights Supe for a while, and then negs with mindhax. Unless Supes mindhax resistance is somewhere decently a good amount, he has no resistances to Force Horror or Insanity.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Hey uhhh.. if Snyderman grabs Starkiller once, that's GGs. Do yall know that?

 

[TegamiBachi25]

Hey uhhh.. if Snyderman grabs Starkiller once, that's GGs. Do yall know that?

So this is a stomp then?

 

[Arkansalter2]

It shouldn't be. Starkiller should have his ways to keep Snyderman away from him so as long as he doesn't get grabbed. Galen has the speed advantage which should help him quite a bit here. However as soon as he gets grabbed, that's a GGs.
Going with Snyderman.

 

[Pyro9278]

Tutaminis isn't an entirely be all end all win con.

No Heat Rays, one less wincon. That's what I mean.

Hey uhhh.. if Snyderman grabs Starkiller once, that's GGs. Do yall know that?

Snyderman can't reach Starkiller enough to physically do anything, and if he does, he's more likely to risk being maimed by the lightsabers, which have much higher temperatures.

 

[Arkansalter2]

he's more likely to risk being maimed by the lightsabers, which have much higher temperatures.

Erm... superman tanks the lightsaber like it's a hot sunny day.

Snyderman can't reach Starkiller enough to physically do anything

Why is that?

 

[Pyro9278]

Erm... superman tanks the lightsaber like it's a hot sunny day.

Lightsabers have temperatures comparable to the core of a star, exceeding the 3.5 million Kelvin that Superman can withstand.

Why is that?

6X almost 7X speed difference with amplifiers? Maybe that's it

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Starkiller precogs that Supes is built different and uses his Mind Trick to force him to commit suicide.

 

[Ozcantabak]

Supes has resistance to mind manuplation via being immune to anti-life, the same weapon that was going to allow Darkseid to conquer the multiverse. (Same multiverse has 10D beings in it so take that as you will)

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Supes has resistance to mind manuplation via being immune to anti-life, the same weapon that was going to allow Darkseid to conquer the multiverse. (Same multiverse has 10D beings in it so take that as you will)

We don't give extra dimensional hax layers like that on their own anymore. That being said, from what I remember Legends Mind Hax was also layered so it probably bypasses his resistance anyways, especially if he goes into Force Rage which allows him to use Mind Trick on those sith acolyte dudes who resist his base Mind Trick.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

However as soon as he gets grabbed, that's a GGs.

The guy is six times faster, has Force Sense, precognition, instinctive reaction, and telepathy, he's not being easy to catch.

Erm... superman tanks the lightsaber like it's a hot sunny day.

If he does this he is cut by the lightsaber that exceeds his resistance.

Legends Mind Hax was also layered

This needs to be accepted in a crt first. Especially after that layer review thread that basically reset layer acceptance for a verse.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

The guy is six times faster, has Force Sense, precognition, instinctive reaction, and telepathy, he's not being easy to catch.


If he does this he is cut by the lightsaber that exceeds his resistance.


This needs to be accepted in a crt first. Especially after that layer review thread that basically reset layer acceptance for a verse.

Even with Starkiller blatantly showing that Force Rage can bypass resistance to his Base form's Mind Trick as shown by him using it on those sith dudes as well as the clones of himself?

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Even with Starkiller blatantly showing that Force Rage can bypass resistance to his Base form's Mind Trick as shown by him using it on those sith dudes as well as the clones of himself?

Anything needs a CRT, even if it's blatantly displayed on the screen.

Besides, his profile doesn't even have mindhax resistance.

So you can't argue that.

 

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