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Stolas revision

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DarthSpiderr said:
What? When did this happen?
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Sir_Ovens said:
I'm not saying he should be High 4-C, but saying he isn't above fodder demons just cause he needs Blitzo there is not entirely true.
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Did I? He needed him against off-guard attacks, that's why I argued that physically he should be physically tier 8 and tier 4 is only via hax.
 
Since the main argument is that Stolas created the "dimension" in which the song took place, I'll be mainly tackling that.

Firstly, Stolas' grimoire has been established numerous times, in both the pilot and in Murder Family, to allow illegal access to the mortal realm through Portal Creation, so there's no contention there. When Stolas begins his song, he uses his grimoire to open a portal into this "dimension", and then we see him fly through the portal and into the void of space. It is very evident, based off of what has been established in the series, that Stolas travelled to the mortal realm rather than creating a pocket dimension with planets and stars. Either that or he created a portal to a "dimension" appearing in the book.

Some people have made the argument that because the events transpiring around him lined up with the lyrics of his song, he had to be influencing them through Reality Warping, but nothing seems to suggest this. Nothing during the song suggests he possesses Reality Warping or Space Manipulation and nothing afterwards suggests it, and it couldn't have been his Telekinesis, because his Telekinesis has a visual effect. Not only is there no evidence to support him having these abilities, but these events were already occurring before Stolas even entered the portal to begin with. The moon and the planets are already shown to be moving when Stolas appears on the moon, so this is very clearly a natural occurrence and has nothing to do with his powers.

InfiniteDay said:
Stolas is capable of appearing anywhere he wants inside, such as on the moon or outside the portal, despite being at least hundreds of thousands of miles away in the portals case.
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I don't understand this argument. If you're trying to suggest that Stolas can teleport around the "dimension" or is omnipresent within it, there is no evidence to back that up. Stolas opened a portal at the beginning of the song, flew through the portal, and than landed on the moon, where he remained for the rest of the song, until re-entering the portal. Maybe a really impressive speed feat, but has nothing to do with him creating the "dimension" or whatever.

InfiniteDay said:
2. The planets and moons acted and moved according to the feel and mood of his song, ending with the planets being absorbed by the dying star and the star exploding, as soon as he says "(as) Creation goes to die" and yes, Creation here is capitalized.
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InfiniteDay said:
because the planets and moons were literally moving very unnaturally, changing speed according to the song
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Coincidences. Looking back at it, the planets and the moon moved at a constant rate throughout the song, so he very obviously didn't influence their movement. And, how can you tell "creation" was capitalized? The episode doesn't have official subtitles. None of them do.

InfiniteDay said:
3. He swipes a image of a unknown constellation and with his magic opens a rip to it. The process were portals open (drawing a pentagram and using the books magic) are invalidated when he creates the rip just using the imagery of a image and his own magic.
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He very obviously uses the book in order to create the portal. Stolas opens the book, flips through the pages, and then swipes his hand through it in order to generate the portal. Nothing is invalidated here, because the grimoire is clearly shown being used.

InfiniteDay said:
4. Stolas is a astrological based demon, as seen in his cosmic awareness, his song, and his magics effects. This means that he must have some way to study the mortal realms many cosmological effects, and test with them to (potentially) create his book. Thus, this realm could be his pocket dimension. For further proof, he was unfazed by the fact that he "portaled" to a dying star, and casually sang near it, all while he and his daughter were getting closer and closer to the star and its death.
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This just seems like pure headcanon, but if you can correct me on that, please do.
 
As much as I want Tier 4 (or higher) Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss, using the Goodbye Moonmen (Idc what the actual name of the song is, it's essentially Goodbye Moonmen) to justify it is extremely ridiculous and outright laughable. Not only it's sketchy asf for the reasons above, but the whole planet explosion thing seemed non-literal and completely visual. Stolas is not nuking planet and stars, he's singing to his daughter with some dark, funny destruction jokes playing in the background
 
I am neutral about Stolas. I have my doubts

If the author really wants to give cosmic potency to the characters just wait new episodes
 
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I do want to say that Stolas was perfectly capable of defending himself (as he can petrify imps, kinda like he did with the last one. Also, he seemed very casual and unworried when he was about to be captured), and he only hired Blitzo as a "bodyguard" because Stolas is... y'know with Blitzo.
 
Sadistic_Sleuth said:
I do want to say that Stolas was perfectly capable of defending himself (as he can petrify imps, kinda like he did with the last one. Also, he seemed very casual and unworried when he was about to be captured), and he only hired Blitzo as a "bodyguard" because Stolas is... y'know with Blitzo.
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But he almost didn't talk with Blitzo tho.
 
"Speak for yourself, Princess. Now, I'm calling the only man who can f--- me!"
"You know, it's quite thrilling to see you on the job, Blitzy."
"Oh Blitzy! I need my bodyguard, please!"
"Oh! My, what aim you have, Blitzy!"
"Um, I think I'm supposed to be bodyguarded right now!"
"Ugh, that's better. Where is Blitzy? He's my knight in shining armor, not you littler ones."

Stolas makes it pretty obvious he doesn't actually need protection. Even Octavia questions it ("Security for a theme park?"). At the end, he proved himself fully capable of protecting himself, petrifying the demon who attempted to assassinate him with little effort, in case there was actually any contention with that.
 
So, the calculations involving the destruction of the star and the planets is no longer usable for Stolas. Is that the conclusion?
 
Nullflowerblush said:
The current images are renders instead of entire illustrations.

Also, in case anyone had any further contention, Stolas' latest Instagram post pretty much confirms he's just creating portals to space. With that said, he should have Spaceflight, Self-Sustenance (Type 1), and Resistance to Extreme Cold and Cosmic Radiations. Octavia would have those as well, sans Spaceflight.
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I feel like all demons should get those Self-Sustenance (Type 1) powers since Octavia was okay as a small child
Also surviving in space isn't necessarily resistance to cold since there's no air for you to loss your body heat to, so just label it as being able to survive in space
 
Characters like Superman have Resistance to Extreme Cold for flying through space unprotected, and according to Google, the background radiation is what gives outer space its low temperature.
 
I think we should wait for further confirmation before giving every demon the ability. For all we know, it could be an ability unique to the Goetia demons, or unique to Stolas and his daughter for that matter. Who knows? Maybe we'll get a rabbit character to send to the moon in the future.
 
The Moxxie moment is more like a wanke. But in any case, the distance traveled from the bullet should be equal to the length of the muzzle. Because otherwise Moxxi would not have been able to make Blitzo miss AFTER the shot.

And by the way, I've seen blanks for Blitzo's profile. It's good, but you can't use calculations that haven't been approved yet.

It would be better if they tried to find me the coveted lifting of Robo Fizzo, which throws Bltzo tens of meters into the sky...
 
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