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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Godernet said:
the time for coping that regular shinobi will compete with shippuden God Tiers like Madara and Kaguya should ended when the Five Kage were Otsutsuki level to an extent in 4 different interpretations of the same arc.

as much as many of us dislike it we all knew it was coming.

even if we're generous the scaling chain looks like this:

Shinju 4 ~ Base Bort > Post-TS Code > Pre-TS Code > V2 Jigen >> Adult Naruto and Sasuke > Shippuden God Tiers

the only part that can even be coped about is if all the Shinju can hang with Bort like the Bug Shinju did. But how many of you are willing to bet that the Shinju based on Bug is massively stronger than the one based on Sasuke Uchiha?

call it bad writing, extreme powercliffing, or goofy scaling, whatever you call it, it's just the reality.
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Only thing i disagree is base bort> post time skip code. He isn't. Boruto is just relative to him. Might be a bit weaker
 
GTsek said:
I wish it were like that, honestly, but it's not what it seems. It's simply impossible to convince anyone who isn't a fan that these characters are tier 5 and FTL, Juvenile Juubi is inferior to Kaguya's Juubi, as it has not yet become a divine tree. The divine tree is their final stage, even these shinju imply that. Shinjus are just a part of the chakra of this juubi that gained consciousness, it is not even the complete chakra of the juubi, and Jura himself says that he and Kurama are similar, they are a part of the juubi that have consciousness. They are basically the same thing, if in the next chapters Himawari manages to keep up with him, it will mean a certain equivalence between a fraction of Kurama and Jura, that would be horrible on the scale, there would be no way to defend it.
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You could say this or you could also read the manga when boruto said the essence of ishikki power in codes karma altered them? So they evolved with part of ishikki power added to theirs? Why would you still then rate them as inferior to kaguya 10 tails? At that point they are simply in a different state of power.
 
Ikemoto doesn't need to illustrate massive DC feats in order to show you that a character is superior to another.
He just needs to, you know, put them above each other by other means (statements, fights etc) without contradicting himself
The only suspect statement made in the manga is Boro>>Delta
Even that wasn't a direct statement
Ishiki has worse DC feats than pre war arc Sakura

And for the whole non six paths tiers reaching otsutsuki level, it's not a thing that started in boruto
Sakura went from being fodder even among genins to Kage level in like 3 years.
Base Naruto went from 7-B or so, to H6-A in 2 years.
People can grow as strong as they like due to plot necessity.
I'll understand or even agree with the criticism is it's being judged with vsbw standards (outlier, PIS, CIS)
Not when it's being judged solely with the series's narrative.
The same narrative that shows us that Kages no matter the era will always stand up against things that threaten the existence of their village
 
karo_senpaii said:
You could say this or you could also read the manga when boruto said the essence of ishikki power in codes karma altered them? So they evolved with part of ishikki power added to theirs? Why would you still then rate them as inferior to kaguya 10 tails? At that point they are simply in a different state of power.
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It's just early denialism. There's no beating it.
Moon level will be the base for everyone and their grandma.
 
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We’re 10 chapters in and no profile has been given to any of the time skip characters.

The dude that “said” he’s working on them is the reason none of us have attempted to, it’s been 6 months dawg
 
KaydeeX said:
We’re 10 chapters in and no profile has been given to any of the time skip characters.

The dude that “said” he’s working on them is the reason none of us have attempted to, it’s been 6 months dawg
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Only boruto is getting a separate profile
Or rather, should be getting
Newly relevant characters like himawari or jura are fair game to anyone interested in making them
Everyone else should get a crt or something
Not a new profile
Not that there's anything particularly new to add for most of them
 
Testarossa002 said:
Only boruto is getting a separate profile
Or rather, should be getting
Newly relevant characters like himawari or jura are fair game to anyone interested in making them
Everyone else should get a crt or something
Not a new profile
Not that there's anything particularly new to add for most of them
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I also think Sarada should get a new profile

I can add mitsuki and Kawaki time skip key.
 
Testarossa002 said:
Only boruto is getting a separate profile
Or rather, should be getting
Newly relevant characters like himawari or jura are fair game to anyone interested in making them
Everyone else should get a crt or something
Not a new profile
Not that there's anything particularly new to add for most of them
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Himawari and Jura should wait a couple of more months seeing as they might get retconned or something in the future or even higher upgraded.
 
Testarossa002 said:
How so?
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Post War to Momoshiki Arc, Chojirou, Kurotsuchi & Darui goes from Sub-Biju Level and Gaara, Sub-Madara to Above Kaguya, based on a lot of ppl here accepting the Dimension Fight at face value, vs Naruto, whom while they got stronger, hasn’t had the same supposed jump in power, despite becoming Kage last out of the current batch.

He was still an active Shinobi and actively training and yet despite having a far higher base, far stronger chakra, his progression is not comparable to the other Kage’s, despite them becoming Kage’s long before him.

If that makes sense.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Post War to Momoshiki Arc, Chojirou, Kurotsuchi & Darui goes from Sub-Biju Level and Gaara, Sub-Madara to Above Kaguya, based on a lot of ppl here accepting the Dimension Fight at face value, vs Naruto, whom while they got stronger, hasn’t had the same supposed jump in power, despite becoming Kage last out of the current batch.

He was still an active Shinobi and actively training and yet despite having a far higher base, far stronger chakra, his progression is not comparable to the other Kage’s, despite them becoming Kage’s long before him.

If that makes sense.
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Naruto became >Kaguya in his base form.
 
KaydeeX said:
We’re 10 chapters in and no profile has been given to any of the time skip characters.

The dude that “said” he’s working on them is the reason none of us have attempted to, it’s been 6 months dawg
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ok?

we haven't seen the full power of pretty much anyone since the time skip started.

we're also still waiting for explanations on some abilities too like Uzuhiko

there's a reason the profiles done by the people that take their time look a lot better and get more things accepted than the ones that are rushed out.

not to mention ppl have lives and don't spend all their time doing vs wiki stuff.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
His Base Form was already strong enough to threaten his Chakra Mode anyways. So there isn’t that big a gap between the two.
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THAT was pretty much the shittiest scaling in the franchise. Base<Kyuubi Enhanced<KN0<KN1<KN2<KN3<KN4<Sage Mode<KN6<KCM<MKCM<KM<KA<SPSM<KSPSM. There is no reason his Base Form should be anywhere NEAR KSPSM, ESPECIALLY not with full Kurama.
 
SlendVeny said:
THAT was pretty much the shittiest scaling in the franchise. Base<Kyuubi Enhanced<KN0<KN1<KN2<KN3<KN4<Sage Mode<KN6<KCM<MKCM<KM<KA<SPSM<KSPSM. There is no reason his Base Form should be anywhere NEAR KSPSM, ESPECIALLY not with full Kurama.
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All this changed because even his base is now enhanced by six path chakra.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Post War to Momoshiki Arc, Chojirou, Kurotsuchi & Darui goes from Sub-Biju Level and Gaara, Sub-Madara to Above Kaguya, based on a lot of ppl here accepting the Dimension Fight at face value, vs Naruto, whom while they got stronger, hasn’t had the same supposed jump in power, despite becoming Kage last out of the current batch.

He was still an active Shinobi and actively training and yet despite having a far higher base, far stronger chakra, his progression is not comparable to the other Kage’s, despite them becoming Kage’s long before him.

If that makes sense.
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He does though?
Base Naruto was swapping hands with fused momo
His Choodama Rasengan turned FM into space dust
The same momoshiki who one tapped all the kages
The issue is, we don't know how big of a gap is there between fused momoshiki and Kaguya
The wiki has it at 2x. As the least possible difference
It can be 5 or 50,000 for all we know
KaydeeX said:
I also think Sarada should get a new profile

I can add mitsuki and Kawaki time skip key.
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Maybe when her MS gets unveiled
Which should happen soon
Because as of now, her abilities are the same as 3 years ago
 
Testarossa002 said:
The wiki has it at 2x. As the least possible difference
It can be 5 or 50,000 for all we know
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The fact you’d just nonchalantly accept a Potential 50K bump w/o any evidence is distressing. And you’re using that vagueness to to try and justify the absurb jump that these characters are accepted to have.

You can’t tell me you seriously buy the jump from Sub-Biju level Jonin to threatening God Tiers with no explanation… I don’t believe you’d do that w/o having been convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt.

So help me get to where you are because again:
  1. Naruto & Sasuke were massively amped by an Otsutsuki’s SPC, elevating their bases to this Otsutsuki Level.
  2. Amadou’s Cyborgs have Shibai DNA, which explains their Otsutsuki level Strength.
  3. Boruto & Kawaki have been empowered by two of the strongest Otsutsuki we’ve seen via Karma and are now Otsutsuki themselves.
  4. The Shinju Quartet are Juubi Incarnations (Basically TT Jins for all intents and purposes)
  5. Himawari is has been built up to be crazy strong and has been stated to have Greater Chakra than even Naruto (Clarification still needed from better translations).
When we see these things time and time again, JUSTIFYING characters being at these levels, WHAT is it that makes it acceptable to include Kage’s or Sarada among this list? It literally is nonsensical and deserving of scrutiny.

Where am I missing something that makes Kages or Sarada non outliers based on logic within the verse?
 
Nierre said:
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exactly why I can just sit back and laugh as yall cope, because the writers don't gaf, and I choose not to either 🥱
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And it’s because of that, we’re cooked…
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Also isn't it interesting that the Era that has:

  • Every village united in peace for the first time ever.
  • Has everyone fight a war where they fought their entire history of their strongest predecessors via Edo Tensei.
  • Every Shinobi sees that there is a whole higher tier of power and jutsu that none of them considered before via Madara, the Juubi, and Kaguya.

is far stronger than the previous ones?

Not unlike groundbreaking technology setting the standard for an era of more advanced and far better tech going forward.

like let's be frr Shinobi history is like 80 years old during the Naruto Era and prior it was just feuding nations with no real understanding of how chakra worked or its origins.

Lets not pretend that Juubi Power is some Godly, Ethereal power when the only reason it is portrayed as such in the Naruto era is because they were uninformed.

the Cloud Village, two years after the war made a laser powered by jonin that can teleport the moon, in Naruto, moving/creating a meteor was treated like a divine act.

in the Boruto Era there are Academy Students with Bijuu Level Jutsu, Bijuu are literal pieces of the Juubi and powerful even by people like Madara.

Not to mention we're told every village was always wary and prepping for a threat like Kaguya. I'm not even gonna mention some novel statements and Bort Databooks you can use that almost blatantly put people on Otsutsuki level that dont deserve it, as well as the canon anime content supporting it even more.

does it suck as fans of the original series? absolutely.
is it the reality of the situation? unfortunately.
is it bad writing? debatable but yeah imo.
does it make way more sense than a lot of us are willing to admit? Sadly.

also for people who seem to forget it is fiction 🗿
 
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Godernet said:
Also isn't it interesting that the Era that has:

  • Every village united in peace for the first time ever.
  • Has everyone fight a war where they fought their entire history of their strongest predecessors via Edo Tensei.
  • Every Shinobi sees that there is a whole higher tier of power and jutsu that none of them considered before via Madara, the Juubi, and Kaguya.

is far stronger than the previous ones?
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That’s not in question though. If all 5 Kage surpassed Madara and Hashirama and more Chunin are becoming Jonin level, all of that would still prove what you said, but there are levels to this still.
Godernet said:
Not unlike groundbreaking technology setting the standard for an era of more advanced and far better tech going forward.
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Sure, that’s to be expected.
Godernet said:
like let's be frr Shinobi history is like 80 years old during the Naruto Era and prior it was just feuding nations with no real understanding of how chakra worked or its origins.
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The Village System is around 80 years old, not Shinobi History.
Godernet said:
Lets not pretend that Juubi Power is some Godly, Ethereal power when the only reason it is portrayed as such in the Naruto era is because they were uninformed.
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Disagree. It is and it isn’t portrayed that way due to lack of Information. Like, Senjutsu Chakra is really just imitation SPC and it’s far weaker than SPC. The lack of knowledge of SPC doesn’t mean they can match it easily or gain the benefits of it of it outside of Senjutsu. It really is a godly power unattainable by mere humans.
Godernet said:
the Cloud Village, two years after the war made a laser powered by jonin that can teleport the moon, in Naruto, moving/creating a meteor was treated like a divine act.
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Yes, powered by dozens of Jonin for majority of a 24hr period. Idk how supports the argument?
Godernet said:
in the Boruto Era there are Academy Students with Bijuu Level Jutsu, Bijuu are literal pieces of the Juubi and powerful even by people like Madara.
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Like who? Iirc, no Boruto Era Academy Student has Biju Level Jutsu.
Godernet said:
Not to mention we're told every village was always wary and prepping for a threat like Kaguya.
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That doesn’t prove they could defeat her either. North Korea is weary of US backed SK and has been planning for decades for a war. That doesn’t mean SK wouldn’t fold their shit if push came to shove due to the overwhelming military superiority… 😕
Godernet said:
I'm not even gonna mention some novel statements and Bort Databooks you can use that almost blatantly put people on Otsutsuki level that dont deserve it, as well as the canon anime content supporting it even more.
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Please do bring receipt's. Leave no room for doubt.
Godernet said:
also for people who seem to forget it is fiction 🗿
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Being fiction doesn’t mean you shouldn’t want sound logic and consistency in the narrative you’re reading.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
That’s not in question though. If all 5 Kage surpassed Madara and Hashirama and more Chunin are becoming Jonin level, all of that would still prove what you said, but there are levels to this still.
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sure it still would but thats not whats being portrayed,
NeoKingOfLight said:
The Village System is around 80 years old, not Shinobi History.
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a Shinobi by definition are the military force of a village.

the warring states period with Hashirama/Madara was an era of mercenaries and clan feuds, not that it changes my point if they were

either way they've been doing nothing but killing each other and nothing else productive for generations.
NeoKingOfLight said:
Disagree. It is and it isn’t portrayed that way due to lack of Information. Like, Senjutsu Chakra is really just imitation SPC
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No one knew Hagaromo or the Juubi existed before Obito explained it to them.

No one knew chakra was a linking power via Ninshuu since it was drowned out by the immediately usable and combat applicable ninjutsu.

The Rinnegan was a myth

the ability to cut through mountains and summon meteors was considered godlike and impossible back then.

the list goes on.
NeoKingOfLight said:
and it’s far weaker than SPC. The lack of knowledge of SPC doesn’t mean they can match it easily or gain the benefits of it of it outside of Senjutsu.
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I mean they did, and even if they didn't nothing says that they couldnt match the power with knowledge either.
NeoKingOfLight said:
It really is a godly power unattainable by mere humans.
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nothing you've said has supported that.
NeoKingOfLight said:
Yes, powered by dozens of Jonin for majority of a 24hr period. Idk how supports the argument?
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Dozens of Shinobi during the war arc could barely match a fireball from Madara.

and the point is that something that was considered impossible and godlike back then is now very possible now.

NeoKingOfLight said:
Like who? Iirc, no Boruto Era Academy Student has Biju Level Jutsu.
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Sumire has Nue, who can obliterate the leaf and is stronger than the new era leaf Jounin like Sai. even people like Kakashi were there.


NeoKingOfLight said:
That doesn’t prove they could defeat her either. North Korea is weary of US backed SK and has been planning for decades for a war. That doesn’t mean SK wouldn’t fold their shit if push came to shove due to the overwhelming military superiority… 😕
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comparing real-life militaries to an in-story statement. you gotta realize that it is a person writing their character dialogues with a purpose in mind
NeoKingOfLight said:
Please do bring receipt's. Leave no room for doubt.
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you might see a CRT on it eventually if the person who found it wants to.

definitely a controversial character to get God Tier lvl scaling, and definitely not something im posting in goon central for someone to try and make a crt on.
NeoKingOfLight said:
Being fiction doesn’t mean you shouldn’t want sound logic and consistency in the narrative you’re reading.
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ofc we want sound logic, but we're not always gonna get sound logic.

being mad because a Japanese picturebook characters arent the same power you picture in your head is pointless.

especially when it's not the same author, he was kinda pushed into making a sequel for money's sake when he wanted to make a different manga, we have so many statements and feats with narrative backing telling us "Hey we want these people to be able to shine a little bit."

believe me, none of us are crazy about it, at all. But most of us are beyond the time of coping about a series that changes its scaling 7 years ago.
 
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