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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Godernet said:
the time for coping that regular shinobi will compete with shippuden God Tiers like Madara and Kaguya should ended when the Five Kage were Otsutsuki level to an extent in 4 different interpretations of the same arc.

as much as many of us dislike it we all knew it was coming.

even if we're generous the scaling chain looks like this:

Shinju 4 ~ Base Bort > Post-TS Code > Pre-TS Code > V2 Jigen >> Adult Naruto and Sasuke > Shippuden God Tiers

the only part that can even be coped about is if all the Shinju can hang with Bort like the Bug Shinju did. But how many of you are willing to bet that the Shinju based on Bug is massively stronger than the one based on Sasuke Uchiha?

call it bad writing, extreme powercliffing, or goofy scaling, whatever you call it, it's just the reality.
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Only thing i disagree is base bort> post time skip code. He isn't. Boruto is just relative to him. Might be a bit weaker
 
GTsek said:
I wish it were like that, honestly, but it's not what it seems. It's simply impossible to convince anyone who isn't a fan that these characters are tier 5 and FTL, Juvenile Juubi is inferior to Kaguya's Juubi, as it has not yet become a divine tree. The divine tree is their final stage, even these shinju imply that. Shinjus are just a part of the chakra of this juubi that gained consciousness, it is not even the complete chakra of the juubi, and Jura himself says that he and Kurama are similar, they are a part of the juubi that have consciousness. They are basically the same thing, if in the next chapters Himawari manages to keep up with him, it will mean a certain equivalence between a fraction of Kurama and Jura, that would be horrible on the scale, there would be no way to defend it.
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You could say this or you could also read the manga when boruto said the essence of ishikki power in codes karma altered them? So they evolved with part of ishikki power added to theirs? Why would you still then rate them as inferior to kaguya 10 tails? At that point they are simply in a different state of power.
 
Ikemoto doesn't need to illustrate massive DC feats in order to show you that a character is superior to another.
He just needs to, you know, put them above each other by other means (statements, fights etc) without contradicting himself
The only suspect statement made in the manga is Boro>>Delta
Even that wasn't a direct statement
Ishiki has worse DC feats than pre war arc Sakura

And for the whole non six paths tiers reaching otsutsuki level, it's not a thing that started in boruto
Sakura went from being fodder even among genins to Kage level in like 3 years.
Base Naruto went from 7-B or so, to H6-A in 2 years.
People can grow as strong as they like due to plot necessity.
I'll understand or even agree with the criticism is it's being judged with vsbw standards (outlier, PIS, CIS)
Not when it's being judged solely with the series's narrative.
The same narrative that shows us that Kages no matter the era will always stand up against things that threaten the existence of their village
 
karo_senpaii said:
You could say this or you could also read the manga when boruto said the essence of ishikki power in codes karma altered them? So they evolved with part of ishikki power added to theirs? Why would you still then rate them as inferior to kaguya 10 tails? At that point they are simply in a different state of power.
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It's just early denialism. There's no beating it.
Moon level will be the base for everyone and their grandma.
 
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We’re 10 chapters in and no profile has been given to any of the time skip characters.

The dude that “said” he’s working on them is the reason none of us have attempted to, it’s been 6 months dawg
 
KaydeeX said:
We’re 10 chapters in and no profile has been given to any of the time skip characters.

The dude that “said” he’s working on them is the reason none of us have attempted to, it’s been 6 months dawg
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Only boruto is getting a separate profile
Or rather, should be getting
Newly relevant characters like himawari or jura are fair game to anyone interested in making them
Everyone else should get a crt or something
Not a new profile
Not that there's anything particularly new to add for most of them
 
Testarossa002 said:
Only boruto is getting a separate profile
Or rather, should be getting
Newly relevant characters like himawari or jura are fair game to anyone interested in making them
Everyone else should get a crt or something
Not a new profile
Not that there's anything particularly new to add for most of them
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I also think Sarada should get a new profile

I can add mitsuki and Kawaki time skip key.
 
Testarossa002 said:
Only boruto is getting a separate profile
Or rather, should be getting
Newly relevant characters like himawari or jura are fair game to anyone interested in making them
Everyone else should get a crt or something
Not a new profile
Not that there's anything particularly new to add for most of them
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Himawari and Jura should wait a couple of more months seeing as they might get retconned or something in the future or even higher upgraded.
 
Testarossa002 said:
How so?
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Post War to Momoshiki Arc, Chojirou, Kurotsuchi & Darui goes from Sub-Biju Level and Gaara, Sub-Madara to Above Kaguya, based on a lot of ppl here accepting the Dimension Fight at face value, vs Naruto, whom while they got stronger, hasn’t had the same supposed jump in power, despite becoming Kage last out of the current batch.

He was still an active Shinobi and actively training and yet despite having a far higher base, far stronger chakra, his progression is not comparable to the other Kage’s, despite them becoming Kage’s long before him.

If that makes sense.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Post War to Momoshiki Arc, Chojirou, Kurotsuchi & Darui goes from Sub-Biju Level and Gaara, Sub-Madara to Above Kaguya, based on a lot of ppl here accepting the Dimension Fight at face value, vs Naruto, whom while they got stronger, hasn’t had the same supposed jump in power, despite becoming Kage last out of the current batch.

He was still an active Shinobi and actively training and yet despite having a far higher base, far stronger chakra, his progression is not comparable to the other Kage’s, despite them becoming Kage’s long before him.

If that makes sense.
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Naruto became >Kaguya in his base form.
 
KaydeeX said:
We’re 10 chapters in and no profile has been given to any of the time skip characters.

The dude that “said” he’s working on them is the reason none of us have attempted to, it’s been 6 months dawg
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ok?

we haven't seen the full power of pretty much anyone since the time skip started.

we're also still waiting for explanations on some abilities too like Uzuhiko

there's a reason the profiles done by the people that take their time look a lot better and get more things accepted than the ones that are rushed out.

not to mention ppl have lives and don't spend all their time doing vs wiki stuff.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
His Base Form was already strong enough to threaten his Chakra Mode anyways. So there isn’t that big a gap between the two.
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THAT was pretty much the shittiest scaling in the franchise. Base<Kyuubi Enhanced<KN0<KN1<KN2<KN3<KN4<Sage Mode<KN6<KCM<MKCM<KM<KA<SPSM<KSPSM. There is no reason his Base Form should be anywhere NEAR KSPSM, ESPECIALLY not with full Kurama.
 
SlendVeny said:
THAT was pretty much the shittiest scaling in the franchise. Base<Kyuubi Enhanced<KN0<KN1<KN2<KN3<KN4<Sage Mode<KN6<KCM<MKCM<KM<KA<SPSM<KSPSM. There is no reason his Base Form should be anywhere NEAR KSPSM, ESPECIALLY not with full Kurama.
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All this changed because even his base is now enhanced by six path chakra.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Post War to Momoshiki Arc, Chojirou, Kurotsuchi & Darui goes from Sub-Biju Level and Gaara, Sub-Madara to Above Kaguya, based on a lot of ppl here accepting the Dimension Fight at face value, vs Naruto, whom while they got stronger, hasn’t had the same supposed jump in power, despite becoming Kage last out of the current batch.

He was still an active Shinobi and actively training and yet despite having a far higher base, far stronger chakra, his progression is not comparable to the other Kage’s, despite them becoming Kage’s long before him.

If that makes sense.
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He does though?
Base Naruto was swapping hands with fused momo
His Choodama Rasengan turned FM into space dust
The same momoshiki who one tapped all the kages
The issue is, we don't know how big of a gap is there between fused momoshiki and Kaguya
The wiki has it at 2x. As the least possible difference
It can be 5 or 50,000 for all we know
KaydeeX said:
I also think Sarada should get a new profile

I can add mitsuki and Kawaki time skip key.
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Maybe when her MS gets unveiled
Which should happen soon
Because as of now, her abilities are the same as 3 years ago
 
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