Possable Multi galaxy disgaea And 1 Universal disgaea feat plus prenny upgrade (Basicly nipponverse upgrade)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsUqExuK4PY

in the video we see Mao (evil Mao absorbed) Destroy the universe @15:04 we see him charge up for an attack then cue credits at 15:35 we hear "and then there was no one No human world, No netherworld, No celstia. everything disapperd and was gone"

and well the netherworld celestia and human world basicly make up a disgaea universe (since the disgaea world is a multiverse) quote from flonne in the first game "the netherworld, celestia, and the human world i'd never imagend that this war which envoved the entier UNIVERSE would come to such an abrouped end" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfXLxYdChp8 Quote at 0:13

and as we see earler in the video where mao blows up the universe (a minute or so before he blows up the universe IIRC) Super hero Aurum was able to take 2 blows before finally dieing to Mao's (evil mao fused) Third blow in his final form (says he has more but he's just bluffing)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xh1-QUEekXs In the normal ending Mao was able to beat the super hero aurum (who again was able to take a few hits from a universal) and was even capable of killing him in the super hero mao ending (Note: super hero aurum had Absorbed the power of several overlords and Evilgods) he just decided to not kill him Also off topic slightly but @3:33 - 4:39 Best way to deal with a villain

anyways Mao should at least be low Mult galaxy level And well All disgaea protages should be comparable in power (the devs say the fans can decide who's stronger) Laharl should be in the same ball park as him

Now for the prenny upgrade

A prenny being the weakest demon in disgaea is currently at island level in its stronger forms I submit this is way to low I submit that the higer forms of prenny should be small Star level since Etan had clamed Most demons can destroy the stars https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ckic5K3q4s @4:08 Note she says STARS i Had she said most demons can destroy a star or something like that then yeah but she said it as a plural and Well the higher tier prennys Are superbly stronger then reguler prennys and i belive should be as strong as lower tier demons


but eh if the prennys dont get upgraded i wont be upset

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Also pretty sure the Prenny Is FTL

Also Pretty sure Disgaea top tiers is Trillions of times FTL

(I can provide evidence of trillions of times FTL Disgaea if need be)

Hmm... well, the Universial part seems like your typical bad end world destruction spell and he technically killed himself with the spell, so it isn´t sure that he can do it without suicide is it?

Given the fact that the spell seems to be such a one time thing I am not sure if taking some other attack from him would require anything close to the destruction caused. Given that there seemed to be something like a time period after which he destroyed the universe he maybe was in the progress of powering up?

And I think we would need a better reason to scale him to all other protagonists.

About Prenny: Just because most demons can destroy the stars it doesn´t mean that the weakest of all demons is anywhere close to that. The powerrange of certain verses and species can be very large at times.

And you should show evidence for FTL characters if you want to upgrade them.

()= me talking

Hmm... well, the Universial part seems like your typical bad end world destruction spell and he technically killed himself with the spell, so it isn´t sure that he can do it without suicide is it?

(Well We don't know If he used a special spell or just a huge shockwave. And We don't know if he actually killed him self it's all left up to interpretation)

Given the fact that the spell seems to be such a one time thing I am not sure if taking some other attack from him would require anything close to the destruction caused. Given that there seemed to be something like a time period after which he destroyed the universe he maybe was in the progress of powering up?

(Good point how ever characters have been shown To be able to infuse there attacks with magic. True that's why I said The hero would be Low multi galaxy Mabey high galaxy level+ due to the fact that Mao could have been gaining power the more angry he got But keep in mind he killed the hero at his angriest plus again the hero had absorbed the power of multiple Overlords and demon gods)


And I think we would need a better reason to scale him to all other protagonists.

(HOW about every portage at one point or another fought him and beat him He also fought almost every other portage and fought and beat them) About Prenny: Just because most demons can destroy the stars it doesn´t mean that the weakest of all demons is anywhere close to that. The powerrange of certain verses and species can be very large at times.

(True I guess I didn't think that thought very well)

And you should show evidence for FTL characters if you want to upgrade them.

(How about Prennys can dodge Attacks from A good chunk of demons Plus items that make them at least light speed)

How about Prennys can dodge Attacks from A good chunk of demons Plus items that make them at least light speed

Could you show me the scenes and the said items? For the trillion times FTL thing as well.

HOW about every portage at one point or another fought him and beat him He also fought almost every other portage and fought and beat them

That wasn´t against the Mao that destroyed the universe, but against a likely weaker version, right?

True that's why I said The hero would be Low multi galaxy Mabey high galaxy level+ due to the fact that Mao could have been gaining power the more angry he got

Hmmmm... I have to say I don´t see the hero as an equal for bad end Mao in any way. I don´t see him being able to really endure hits. He takes two of them and after that died, so they may as well shot straight to him without much resistance, it isn´t really shown how much he resisted the attacks. I would think his durability can be better scaled from the other endings and Maos more normal forms.

Could you show me the scenes and the said items? For the trillion times FTL thing as well.

(http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps3/942139-disgaea-3-absence-of-justice/faqs/58643 Shoe item rank 31 Accelerator flavor text "Approach the speed of light. But why teeth?"

As for trillions of times FTL Disgaea That's easily

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf40Wd_WaNE @1:08 DARK DEATH evil mans attack not only out shines the galaxy but completely Envelops it And more The beam is At least twice the size of the galaxy If you look closely and Enveloups it in under a second even if we were to say it Envelouped it in a second it would still be easily above 3 trillion


But wait THERE'S MORE

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4fvIZC6ubCU The final bosses attack flys by 2 Galaxies in less then a second and even if we lowball and say it traveled 600000 light years in half a second It's still easily 37 trillion times light speed


There's a 1 or 2 more feats But I can't think of them right now)

That wasn´t against the Mao that destroyed the universe, but against a likely weaker version, right?


(good Mao Is weaker to an Unknown extent sadly.)


Hmmmm... I have to say I don´t see the hero as an equal for bad end Mao in any way. I don´t see him being able to really endure hits. He takes two of them and after that died, so they may as well shot straight to him without much resistance, it isn´t really shown how much he resisted the attacks. I would think his durability can be better scaled from the other endings and Maos more normal forms. (Good point And Maos more normal Forms Again are weaker to an unknown extent but Should at least be galaxy+ via the feats I linked earlier

I guess multi galaxy Disgaea is just a dream)

The trillion times faster than light scenes are attack speed not combat speed, right?

And the item descriptin states approachs the speed of light, which means that it actually only makes Relativistic+ and not FTL. And how does the item relate to the characters? If it isn´t an item that is always carried by a certain character it should be named seperately from the usual speed in the stats.

DontTalk said:

The trillion times faster than light scenes are attack speed not combat speed, right?

And the item descriptin states approachs the speed of light, which means that it actually only makes Relativistic+ and not FTL. And how does the item relate to the characters? If it isn´t an item that is always carried by a certain character it should be named seperately from the usual speed in the stats.

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1 Nearly anybody can dodge these attacks You could argue game mechanics but Disgaea game mechanics are Cannon (several mentions of levels and other game mechanics in cannon including stats) Plus in fiction usually that characters can attack that fast They Can usually react to things as fast AND Any Disgaea top tier > the 2 people who had used thoes attacks

2 Good point Curse the fact that no item is a special item Carried by spacific people

I kinda doubt that game mechanics like that can simply be considered actual part of fighting even if if game mechanics are metioned by characters. Except you want to argue that they will also only be able to move once per turn in an actual battle.

If characters blatantly reference gameplay mechanics, I think we can have a little leeway regarding this stuff, especially for something as simple as dodging an attack.

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If characters blatantly reference gameplay mechanics, I think we can have a little leeway regarding this stuff, especially for something as simple as dodging an attack.

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Yeah agreed

Also There are a few MFTL+ attacks that at least put Disgaea in the millions of times FTL Range Plus Laharl destroying stars Since Flonne didn't mention him being gone for a long time which she would as she is the Worring type don't belive me watch a walk though of digaea 1 and D2. If you do belive me Watch a walkthrought or Play Disgaea anyways it's a good game and story IMO. we can logically assume he was gone for Mabey a day at most which traveling to the furthest star in a day is Over 5 Million times FTL (note MOST DEMONS CAN DO THIS And Laharl is the strongest and fastest demon in the netherworld Barring Netherworld absorbed xenolith)

In the move galaxy comet they casually jump so far in a few seconds that a galaxy is in the back round So another Attack that should be in the billions of times FTL

Given that their range is large enough to destroy galaxys it isn´t sure that he actualy moved to every star to destroy it, right?

Them jumping out of a galaxy in a move would be a better feat in my opinion, so if you could show it?

And about the game machanics: I don´t think it is a good idea. It would also mean that characters can be scaled to each other based on ingame stats and even very weak beings can reach such levels as, if the game is like it is usual for such games, even the weakest beings have a very small probability of dodging an attack. So it is an upgrade for really every being in the hole verse then, right?

Most of Laharls attacks don't have As much range as dark death evilmans does

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2fJ1qZRLW74 6:20 (you see the GALAXYS in the back round at 6:22)


Naw dude we could Just use levels from cannon appreinces in other games which if I recall correctly the last cannon stats were in Disgaea 4 where Laharl Flonne and Otheres where above or around level 1000 (the level dark death evilmans at) and D2 is a prequel

Also weaker demons only have a 1% chance of dodging it It takes demons comparable to or even higher in speed To even consider dodging it with any good amount of chance

Plus Laharl Flonne scicilly and Etna > dark death evil man

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rE7kd2HVsyQ Another version of galaxy comet that shows up at 4;53 (GALAXYS show up at 4:54)

Also stats are cannon They have also been mentioned in cannon before but it's also been hinted at in cannon You have to be a powerfull demon to have thoes high stats

Personally, I think prinnies should be at Large Planet because "chump-change demons," i.e. some of the weakest around, are stated to be Star-busting by Etna (a reliable source within the world), and even if we were assume that this doesn't extend directly to the prinnies themselvesthen they should be able to take on lesser demons or small groups thereof in squads, as the prinnies are arranged into rather smallish squads by Etna. Just sort of a logic exercise based on the lore of the world in question.

Well, the Galaxy comet feat seems good, so feel free to upgarde the characters that can do that and those who scale from them.

But I am still against using game machanics as feats, out of already stated reasons.


About Prinnies: If even below average demons are directly stated (as in a statement about them specifically and not just demons in general) to be star-busting then I think "possibly Star level (even some weaker demons were stated to be Star busters)" would be the reasonable rank. For a more definite stat I would still want to see someone certainly equal or weaker then Prenny starbusting.