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Frisk vs. Pennywise

Either Pennywise or inconclusive. IT has the advantage with his Reality, Mind and Spatial Hax, as well as Non-Corporeality and Type 9 Immortality, the only problem would be stopping Frisk from reloading, if he can stop that, he wins.
 
Frisk. The problem with this entire fight is that frisk is determination AKA will. She will believe that she can beat pennywise and her will is strong enough to stop death. The thing is,we don't truly know the amount of will required. Genocide route steamroll,neutral inconclusive,pacifist probably frisk
 
Darkmon cns said:
Well his whole thing is brakeing his prey first right? So maybe that can help him win.
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I doubt Pennywise will be able to break Frisk's will. Pennywise will NOT win in a physical fight. Thing is, it doesn't have to be physical. Pennywise can just mind control Frisk into self-BFRing.
 
If Omega Flowey can't break Frisk's will, I doubt Pennywise could. Frisk could simply LOAD every time they died and know what Pennywise was going to do before even Pennywise knew. My vote goes to Frisk
 
If Omega Flowey can't break Frisk's will, I doubt Pennywise could. Frisk could simply LOAD every time they died and know what Pennywise was going to do before even Pennywise knew. My vote goes to Frisk
How does that means Pennywise can't just mindhax Frisk?
 
Anonimoe7875 said:
If Omega Flowey can't break Frisk's will, I doubt Pennywise could. Frisk could simply LOAD every time they died and know what Pennywise was going to do before even Pennywise knew. My vote goes to Frisk
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How does that means Pennywise can't just mindhax Frisk?

Pennywise struggles to mindhax ordinary children once they stop being afraid of him. No way it's working on someone as determined as Frisk.
 
Yeah, Frisk is able to stay calm (As far as we can tell) when fighting Omega Flowey. A clown with sharp teeth is not going to be scaring him.
 
The Wright Way said:
Pennywise struggles to mindhax ordinary children once they stop being afraid of him. No way it's working on someone as determined as Frisk.
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Till I seen this
 
MrKingOfNegativity said:
The Wright Way said:
Pennywise struggles to mindhax ordinary children once they stop being afraid of him. No way it's working on someone as determined as Frisk.
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Till I seen this
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Okay, to be fair those kids were also psychic but still.
 
I think I mentioned once that the Losers resisted Pennywise, but I'm not sure if I explained properly due to having not had access to the book at the time. (Which I'm now rereading) Either way, there's more to it than that.

The reason the Losers could resist Pennywise had little to do with them not "being afraid" of it. It came largely from the fact that on top of having psychic powers (it's implied in a few different King works that this alone is enough to grant some mental resistance), the seven of them were also telepathically linked to each other. It wasn't just about belief; it was about collective belief, and their ability to give power to that belief when the lot of them were together. It's made quite clear that, had each of them been alone and not been bound to each other mentally, IT would have slaughtered them wholesale.

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It understood vaguely that these children had somehow turned Its own tools against It-that, by coincidence (surely not on purpose, surely not guided by the hand of any Other), by the bonding of seven extraordinarily imaginative minds, It had been brought into a zone of great danger. Any of these seven alone would have been Its meat and drink, and if they had not happened to come together, It surely would have picked them off one by one, drawn by the quality of their minds just as a lion might be drawn to one particular waterhole by the scent of zebra. But together they had discovered an alarming secret that even It had not been aware of: that belief has a second edge.

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"Yeah," Mike says as Ben buttons his skin up again. "The werewolf. We all saw It as the werewolf that time."

"Because that's how R-R-Richie saw Ih-It before," Bill murmurs. "That's it, isn't it?"

"Yes," Mike says.

"We were close, weren't we?" Beverly says. Her voice is softly marvelling. "Close enough to read each other's minds."

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The silver slugs had worked because the seven of them had been unified in their belief that they would. But they hadn't killed It. And next time It would approach them in a new shape, one over which silver wielded no power.

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The entire concept is a roundabout take on one of those "power of friendship" type deals, but still. It not being able to mindhax them wasn't due to a weakness in its abilities.
 
MrKingOfNegativity said:
I think I mentioned once that the Losers resisted Pennywise, but I'm not sure if I explained properly due to having not had access to the book at the time. (Which I'm now rereading) Either way, there's more to it than that.
The reason the Losers could resist Pennywise had little to do with them not "being afraid" of it. It came largely from the fact that on top of having psychic powers (it's implied in a few different King works that this alone is enough to grant some mental resistance), the seven of them were also telepathically linked to each other. It wasn't just about belief; it was about collective belief, and their ability to give power to that belief when the lot of them were together. It's made quite clear that, had each of them been alone and not been bound to each other mentally, IT would have slaughtered them wholesale.

It understood vaguely that these children had somehow turned Its own tools against It-that, by coincidence (surely not on purpose, surely not guided by the hand of any Other), by the bonding of seven extraordinarily imaginative minds, It had been brought into a zone of great danger. Any of these seven alone would have been Its meat and drink, and if they had not happened to come together, It surely would have picked them off one by one, drawn by the quality of their minds just as a lion might be drawn to one particular waterhole by the scent of zebra. But together they had discovered an alarming secret that even It had not been aware of: that belief has a second edge.
"Yeah," Mike says as Ben buttons his skin up again. "The werewolf. We all saw It as the werewolf that time."
"Because that's how R-R-Richie saw Ih-It before," Bill murmurs. "That's it, isn't it?"

"Yes," Mike says.

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"We were close, weren't we?" Beverly says. Her voice is softly marvelling. "
Close enough to read each other's minds."
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The silver slugs had worked because the seven of them had been unified in their belief that they would. But they hadn't killed It. And next time It would approach them in a new shape, one over which silver wielded no power.
The entire concept is one a roundabout take on one of those "power of friendship" type deals, but still. It not being able to mindhax them wasn't due to a weakness in its abilities. It was due to

Fair point. Wouldn't Frisk have plenty of collective belief with them as well though? Assuming it's pacifist Frisk anyway.
 
I ****** that coding all the way up.

I'm not sure. The two stories are based on concepts that seem directly opposite to each other, as are the natures of the abilities. Frisk's power quite literally comes from singular determination and self-confidence (or at least that's what I understand of it), whereas the Losers' power came directly from unified determination/belief and their strength as a group. Along with a helping of psychic fuckery because this is Stephen King we're talking about.

It's hard to say at this point without arguing semantics about whether or not one is somehow close enough to the other for verse equalization to take effect. But maybe?
 
One thing I'm gonna say though, Frisk by themselves has absolutely paltry mental resistance compared to Pennywise's mindhax. I'm not sure if "minor" resistance to memory erasure is going to stack up against the thing that continually wipes an entire town's memories, and unless Frisk's mental resistance grows with their Determination (which, yes, the Losers' resistances grew stronger when they were together/collectively believing in one thing), I'm having my doubts that said Determination will be enough to turn the tides.

Also (and I really need to make a CRT including this once I'm done rereading IT), Pennywise has biological manipulation that I completely forgot about up to this point.
 
Frisk memory resistance comes from resisting something that can erase (Not completely) memories of everyone in a timeline.
 
Also:

The Wright Way said:
Anyways, Frisk takes this. Pennywise's whole deal is that he tries to intimidate you and make you terrified. But once that stops working he can become vulnurable. A lot of Penny's hax arn't combat applicable such as blood manipulation pnly shooting fountains of blood and and space manipulation making a house appear bigger on the inside so those won't work. His High-Mid regen also takes years to work as he didn't show up to torment the protagonists after his first defeat until they were adults. Non-Corporeality isn't something he has in his 7-C form as he's never shown using it in his 7-C form. All of this is made even worse by Pennywise's lack of experience. Pennywise's tactics when confronted seemed to entirely revolve around intimidation and subversion but once that fails him he tends to find himself in trouble very quickly.
On the other hand Frisk not only has actually combat experience but has shown to be quite clever when they want to be. While Frisk would at first be caught of guard by Pennywise's onorthadox abilities they would quickly bounce back and begin to realize Pennywise's tactics. The losers club was smart but they were nowhere near as smart as Frisk and once Frisk realized that Pennywise only really had scare tactics and illusions on his side Pennywise would be able to do little more then delay the inevitable.

Frisk wins 8/10.
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I don't normally quote walls of text, but...

Did you forget that you were the one who made this thread, or?
 
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