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Mercurius vs Downstreamers

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Hope this works...Well idk if this will be a stomp or not close if so if not then yolo

This is 1-A merc vs Old Ones Downstreamers and this takes place in the singularity of eigo kaiki

Votes:

Mercurius: 8

Downstreamers: 0

Inconclusive: 0
 
yay! a trap went for a battle! (Suigin looks girly enough for BB after all :D ) anyway, to quote arguments from another tread :

VenomElite said:
...Mercurius and Reinhard, the two that destroyed the "field of the Throne" during their fight in Chapter XIII in Rea's Route (Dies irae). The Throne is indescribable ultraspace (1-A) and any Hadou/Gudou God can do that.
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ZERO7772 said:
To make this simple

God with 1 Taikyoku is above base line 1-A becasue they can destory the throne "1-A" </span> ... Honstely even Mercurius can beat Michael
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VenomElite said:
And no, a god with a value of 1 can destroy Throne. The Throne is 1-A itself. So Fodder Taikyoku God is above "base" 1-A.
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ZERO7772 said:
Doesn't mean much even if he can give birth to another 1-A characterd, Yato fodderized other 1-A gods on daily basis, Gudo gods who are who can destory the throne "1-A" and dozen of time above 1-A baseline were absolutely helpless against yato and his time stop

even 1 Taikyoku can make you 1-A and yato have 100 of them and FYI the different of 10 of them can make the stronger one near invisible to the weaker god
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VenomElite said:
No, you cannot compare them. Again the sheer size (and thus power/weight) of a Hadou God dwarfs any 1-A you'd likely come across in fiction other than an Outer God.
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it seems even fodder hadou should be above baseline 1-A (trone) by wide margin. and Merc with taikyoku of 90 will be able to defeat fodder hadous.

taikyoku also is more 'primal' and 'absolute' imo. being preceding duality or somesuch. granted, both sides have transduality, but even then DS might be only at the level of Lucifer/Michael. and as said in another thread, Merc has high chance in defeating Michael.

voting for Merc.
 
@Palaeocene

So why will DS lose just because Michael was losing to Mercurius in another thread?

that doesnt make sense.You cant scale character like that when they dont even have anything to do with each other
 
TheSandman31 said:
@Palaeocene
So why will DS lose just because Michael was losing to Mercurius in another thread?

that doesnt make sense.You cant scale character like that when they dont even have anything to do with each other
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DS have low possibility in putting down Mercurius permenently for one, because the stalker have true-godly regen.

and Mercurius can easily destroy throne, which is a baseline 1-A in itself, and Merc can kill gudou/hadou weaker than him, who also have true-godly regen on their own thanks to taikyoku mechanics. while DS only have high-godly regen. so Merc have high possibility in killing DS because he can bypass other true-godly regen.

of course, that's only if both can kill each other once. but even if DS can kill Merc, Merc have higher chance in coming out of death.

of course, DS have transdualism, but idk what degree DS have, considering even fodder hadou/gudou have transdualism too, and Merc can beat them, its safer to say Merc might also be capable of bypassing DS' transduality.

from what I see, DS seems to be able to make 1-A realm which contains all governing concepts (maybe something like laws in hadou/gudou terms?), which maybe put them on the same level as a hadou/gudou, who can also destroy throne. but they have zero fighting feat so idk how high they are.

thats why i pick Merc, Merc managed to kill at least one hadou (Satanel), who have similar powerset to Merc, but only with lower taikyoku.
 
hmm.. Merc acausality will help against DS' causality manipulation, and merc has resistance to some of DS ability..and most of DS ability is listed as possibly, even DS regen is high godly and plus the reason above, I think I'm leaning to mercurius for now.
 
Dat Dot said:
hmm.. Merc acausality will help against DS' causality manipulation, and merc has resistance to some of DS ability..
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well, DS are also acausal so both them and Merc pretty much even in that department.

Dat Dot said:
and most of DS ability is listed as possibly, even DS regen is high godly and plus the reason above, I think I'm leaning to mercurius for now.
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for the purpose of the battle, I think 'possibly' would be treated same as if the character have the power normally. so it won't really affect the outcome.

other than that, yeah, Merc should be able to bypass high-godly.
 
Merc via being more difficult to kill than 682. (Just analogy).

Also, he was considered an "Absurdly Powerful Horror From Another World" by Satanel.

Mercurius already destroyed the Throne and make it a new "Ultraspace".
 
Someone want to explain how Merc even exists?

Wasn't Satanel's Law "nothing has free will, I control everyone"?

How did Merc even fight him?
 
merc was born outside of satanel's universe and became a "flaw" in satanel's universe and satanel iirc crumbled because of this flaw that is merc (as he entered the universe not being subjected to its law) then merc just sequere naturam satanel to death pretty much
 
"nothing has free will, I control everyone"

That's...not his law at all, his Law is "I want to bring salvation to this sinful world" or "I want to relief this world from sin"
 
Well i think it is something like that

Basically, it removes sins, thus things like desires don't apply, everyone does good deeds and no one commit sinful acts and because of this, life can be considered peaceful. Satanel, of course, control the feelings due to his Law.

Live and die, that's it.

And because of this perfect world Flaws cannot be tolerated, And a flaw came in >_>
 
Hajun (with Tumor) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for infinity and eternity Tenma Yato >>>>>>> Reinhard = Mercurius = Ren Fuji (Rea Route) 90 Taikyoku, Marie (? I'm not sure about her Taikyoku count if it is 90 or 80 so i will have to re-check) >>>>>>>>>> Reinhard = Ren Fuji = Marie = Nerose Satanel (Marie Route 80 Taikyoku) >>>>>> Second Heaven >>>>>> First Heaven
 
Hajun full power (We need infinite >) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hajun throne god weakened>= Yato full power>>>>>>Full power Ren=rein=merc=marie>>>>>>>Satanel full power= marie route ren=marie route rein=marie route...marie (80 like ALRF comparing to rea's route 90)>>>>Second heaven>>>>First Heaven


How does taikyoku not be haxed lol
 
well hajun is a hadou god with a gudou core and we know gudous only are powered by their own soul so....
 
ZacharyGrossman273 said:
OBJECTION
Merc might have the brute force advantage but DS have way better hax.
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ALRF said:
Are you implying that Taikyoku isn't hax?
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^this. Taikyoku is most hax 1-A thing next to outer gods' immutability imo

though, tbf, DS also have taikyoku-like thing (then again, what 1-A that doesn't?) and more impressive multiverse creation feat.

if it were High 1-B battles, then DS would undoubtly win most of time. but since multiverse creation feat is irrelevant in 1-A battles, who have better hax and powerscaling feat is the one who will win. . . and taikyoku is all about powerscaling *sniggers*

(though, someone suggested that DS can create impossible worlds and high-end outerverse. but considering DS profile isn't listed as High 1-A, it might not be true (or baseless speculation))
 
welp the thread is finished grace period ended so that's a wrap ppl


Edit: KEK i spelled wrong RIP >_>
 
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