Doc.Scratch possible upgrade

QuasiYuri · Jul 23, 2017

When Snowman has joined The Felt, it's Doc.Scratch who has given her power (life relied with the life of Genesis Frog).

It should be 2-A via hax.

Magi_Hussie · Jul 29, 2017

Since Jack destroyed the Trolls' session, then why is he only rated as "at least Universal+?" That's an "At least Multiversal, likely Multiversal+" feat since it's stated that "The trolls' session was plagued with at least a thousand doomed timelines,..." here: http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Doomed_timelines

And it's also implied to have infinite timelines as well due to the fact that it has infinite possibilities: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?p=004447

"CCG: IT'S THE FUTURE FOR GOD'S SAKE, A REALM OF ENDLESS ******* POSSIBILITIES."

This also includes Doc Scratch, Jade, Bec, and a few others I forgot to mention are scaled to this.

Magi_Hussie · Jul 29, 2017

Also, this states: http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Su

"The Green Sun is a giant sun in the middle of the Furthest Ring, nearly twice as massive as Earth's universe (and in fact, as massive as Earth and Alternia's universes put together)"

The Earth's "universe" would happened to be the Genesis Frog which contains infinite timelines apparently, so all the First guardians have "At least Multiversal+, likely High Multiversal+" feat since the Green Sun is also stated to exist outisde the boundaries of the Genesis Frogs and found in an infinite 5D space called the Furthest Ring: http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Furthest_Ring

"It is t)(e infinite space w)(ic)( divides all sessions, completely unnavigable and unfat)(omable, untouc)(ed by t)(e time or space of any universe in existence."

-feferi

"According to Doc Scratch, the destruction of the Green Sun would result in the destruction of the first guardians."

So yea, we should add that to the First Guardians' weaknesses too.

QuasiYuri · Aug 3, 2017

If Jack is Multiversal/+ (I totaly agree with that)

It is a great powerscaling for the majority of characters.

Dad Egbert/Crocker, Bro Strider, and Cans (Felt member) should be considered at this level.

Similarly for some God Tier (and therefore for thoses who faced them, like Spades and Jack B2).

Same for those you quoted and for many other.

QuasiYuri · Aug 3, 2017

For the green sun, this gives an upgrade to Calliope also.

She went to the latter before destroying it (in The Furthest Ring), it would be immeasurable in speed and probably superior to multi-universe

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

Antvasima · Aug 4, 2017

I will ask Azathoth, Promestein, and The Everlasting for input here.

Promestein · Aug 4, 2017

I'm very uncertain. A lot of this is speculation based, outside of Scratch giving Snowman those powers.

At best, I'd go with "At least Universe level+, possibly at least Multiverse level+".

Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot · Aug 4, 2017

I too would be more on the skeptical side regarding the good doctor.

I'm also pretty sure Jack is already rated as 2-A with the Miles, which are what he destroyed Bilious Slick with.

It's been a while, but the Green Sun was outside of the entirety of the sessions' realities as opposed to just single timelines, yes? Because if so, I could buy into High 2-A Green Sun. Though I'm pretty sure God Tier Cali is the only one who scales to the entire Green Sun, since she absorbed and destroyed it. I mean, English obviously does, but he's already way higher.

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

I'm gonna list the revised stats for 1 profile at a time. So, it may take a few hours or maybe less to be finished with all of them.

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

1. Summarized revisions for Doc Scratch:

Tier: High 2-A

Attack Potency: High Multiverse level+ (Assured the creation of the Alternian universe , should be relatively on par with Becquerel and a fully-prototyped Jack Noir, albeit without the Red Miles. However, unlike Jack, Doc Scratch is not much of a fighter. All first guardians are empowered by the Green Sun which is considered to be an extradimensional energy source found in an infinite 5D space called the "Furthest Ring.").

Striking Strength: Presumably High Multiversal+

Durability: At least Multi-Universe level (His corpse tanked the explosion of two universes), likely up to High Multiverse level+ (His corpse was completely unaffected by the destruction of the Alternian Genesis Frog, He was only killed by Andrew Hussie, who even in the comic, is the writer of said comic. Scratch also had the explicit weakness of becoming a powerless puppet whenever Hussie was present).

Range: High Multiversal (Warped a several hundred kilometer fuchsiablood lusus onto Alternia, Communicated with players in other sessions)

Weaknesses: Doc Scratch turns into a lifeless puppet when Andrew Hussie is nearby. He craves his own demise both to fulfill his ultimate goal of bringing Lord English into existence as well as finally ending his servitude. If the Green Sun is destroyed, it will result in the destruction of all of the first guardians.

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

2. Summarized Revisions for Jack Noir (Beta):

Tier: | High 2-A. At least High 2-A with the Red Miles

Attack Potency: High Multiverse level+ (Inherited all of Bec's First Guardian powers, including matter and energy manipulation, effortlessly murdered God-Tier Joh and Grimdark Rose, Completely destroyed the Trolls' sessio, Should be at the very least equal to God-Tier Jade). At least High Multiverse level+ with the Red Miles (Easily destroyed Bilious Slick, who contained infinite parallel versions of a universe)

Striking Strength: | At least High Multiversal+

Durability: At least High Multiverse level+ (Extensively fought against the Peregrine Mendicant, who is his equal in strength)

Range: | At least High Multiversal

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

3. Summarized Revisions for Bec:

Tier: High 2-A

Attack Potency: High Multiverse level+ when scaled to the other First Guardians (Casually destroyed a meteor the size of Texas and wiped out the surface of the Earth with the shockwave, far superior to the other kid's guardians, should be comparable in power to Jack Noir without the Red Miles and Doc Scratch, albeit much less intelligent; All first guardians are empowered by Green Sun which is considered as an extradimensional energy source the Green Sun which is considered as an extradimensional energy source found in an infinite 5D space called the "Furthest Ring.")

Speed: At least Supersonic+ (reacted to bullets mid-flight), likely up to Massively FTL+ (should be much faster than characters such as Bro)

Durability: High Multiverse level+

Weaknesses: Dog instincts and habits. Not very bright. Unable to harm Jade Harley due to his loyalty and love for her. If the Green Sun is destroyed, it will result in the destruction of all of the first guardians.

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

4. Summarized revisions for GCat:

Tier: High 2-A

Attack Potency: High Multiverse level+ (Should be in comparable in power to other first guardians, such as Doc Scratch and Becquerel; All first guardians are empowered by the Green Sun which is an extradimensional energy source found in an infinite 5D space called the "Furthest Ring.")

Speed: At least Supersonic+, likely far higher (Should be comparable in speed to Becquerel)

Durability: High Multiverse level+

Range: Likely High Multiversal

Weaknesses: If the Green Sun is destroyed, it will result in the destruction of all of the first guardians.

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

5. Summarized Revisions for Peregrine Mendicant:

Tier: At least High 2-A

Attack Potency: At least High Multiverse level+ (Considered to be equal to Bec Noir, constantly clashing with him on their flight through the Furthest Ring, Eventually sliced off Bec Noir's arm)

Durability: At least High Multiverse level+

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

6. Summarized Revisions for Snowman:

Infinite Possibilities should be treated as "likely up to Multiversal+"

Tier: | At least 2-B, likely up to 2-A by dying.

Attack Potency: At least Multiverse level, likely up to Multiverse level+ by dying (Her life is tied to the life of the Alternian Genesis Frog. When she dies, Alternia's Genesis Frog, containing infinite possibilities, is destroyed with her).

Range: At least interplanetary with teleportation. At least Multiversal, likely up to Multiversal+ through dying.

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

7. Summarized Revisions for Jade Harley:

Tier: | At least High 2-A

Attack Potency: | At least High Multiverse level+ (Inheriting Bec's First Guardian powers on top of gaining her space attribute grants her almost complete control over matter and space, shrunk an entire universe down to a size comparable to that of a medium-sized ball, considered to be on par with Bec Noir)

Durability: | At least High Multiverse level+ (Broke through the Fourth Wall and crossed the Yellow Yard into another universe. Implied to be capable of fighting with Bec Noir), God-Tier immortality makes her difficult to kill

Range: | At least High Multiversal

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

8. Summarized Revisions for Calliope:

Tier: | At least High 2-A, likely far higher

Attack Potency: | At least High Multiverse level+ (As a Muse, she should be far superior to normal God Tiers, even those like Jade, destroyed the Green Sun, which is composed of the Earth and Alternia's universes and provides first guardians with their powers), likely far higher

Durability: | At least High Multiverse level+, likely far higher

Range: | At least High Multiversal, likely far higher

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

9. Summarized Revisions for Caliborn/Lord English:

Tier: | At least High 2-A, likely far higher | At least Low 1-C, likely 1-C | At least 1-C, likely up to Low 1-B, possibly higher

Attack Potency: | At least High Multiversal level+ (As a Lord, one of the two master classes, Caliborn should be far above most other God Tiers and comparable to God Tier Calliope, who destroyed the Green Sun), likely far higher | At least Low Complex Multiverse level, likely Complex Multiverse level (Killed Yaldabaoth, the strongest Denizen. Sealed away John, Rose, Dave, and Jade before casually trouncing Jane, Roxy, Dirk, and Jake. Possessed near complete control over his powers at this point). | At least Complex Multiverse level (Was destroying Paradox Space, which contains all of existence, including Genesis Frogs and the Horrorterrors that transcend them in the Furthest Ring, and can manipulate Homestuck itself through the game cartridges in which it is just fiction), likely up to Low Hyperverse level (The multiverse of MS Paint Adventures is established to be a Spring Theory multiverse in Problem Sleuth, which is implied to share Homestuck's continuity as part of MS Paint Adventures, and Paradox Space transcends and contains all existence), possibly higher (Killed Andrew Hussie, who is the author of all of MS Paint Adventures)

Striking Strength: | At least High Multiversal+, likely far higher | At least Low Complex Multiversal+, likely Complex Multiversal | At least Complex Multiversal, likely up to Low Hyperversal, possibly higher

Durability: | At least High Multiverse level+, likely far higher | At least Low Complex Multiverse level, likely Complex Multiverse level (Even Jake's Hope Field only knocked him over briefly) | At least Complex Multiverse level, likely up to Low Hyperverse level (He can only be harmed by the exploitation of many time-based glitches, paradoxes, and loopholes), possibly higher (Hussie could only potentially harm him through the use of one of his weaknesses)

Range: | At least High Multiversal, likely far higher | At least Low Complex Multiversal, likely Complex Multiversal | At least Complex Multiversal, likely up to Low Hyperversal, possibly higher

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

10. Summarized Revisions for Andrew Hussie:

Tier: Unknown, possibly up to 1-B

Attack Potency: Unknown, possibly up to Hyperverse level

Striking Strength: Unknown, possibly up to Hyperversal

Durability: Unknown, possibly up to Hyperverse level

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

11. Summarized Revisions for Vriska Serket:

Tier: | At least High 2-A, potentially higher

Attack Potency: | At least High Multiverse level+ (Able to fight evenly with Bec Noir, and Doc Scratch implied that Vriska may have been able to win), potentially higher

Striking Strength: | At least High Multiversal+, potentially higher

Durability: | At least High Multiverse level+, potentially higher

Range: Extended melee range range. At least High Multiversal with telepathy, potentially higher

Note: Vriska Serket defeating Andrew Hussie is considered as an outlier.

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

12. Summarized Revisions for Jake English:

Tier: | At least High 2-A, Low 1-C to Low 1-B with the Field of Hope, possibly higher

Attack Potency: | At least High Multiverse level+ (Easily overpowered Grimbark Jade), Low Complex Multiverse level to Low Hyperversal level with the Field of Hope (Eventually defeated Lord English, who defeated Andrew Hussie), possibly higher

Striking Strength: | At least High Multiversal+, Low Complex Multiversal to Low Hyperversal with the Field of Hope, possibly higher

Durability: | At least High Multiverse level+ (Jade couldn't break the forcefield no matter how hard she tried), Low Complex Multiverse level to Low Hyperverse level with the Field of Hope, possibly higher

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

13. Summarized Revisions for John Egbert:

Tier: | At least 2-A, possibly up to High 2-A | At least 1-C, likely up to Low 1-B, possibly higher

Attack Potency: | At least Multiverse level+, possibly up to High Multiverse level+ (Able to actually cause minor pain to fully prototyped Jack Noir by slamming a warhammer into his head) | At least Complex Multiversal, likely up to Low Hyperversal, possibly higher (Casually brushed away glitches in the fabric of the multiverse's space-time, said glitches were capable of completely erasing significant portions of existence)

Durability: | At least Multiverse level+, possibly up to High Multiverse level+ (Survived his second encounter with a fully prototyped Jack Noir), intangibility, Regenerationn and immortality make him difficult to kill | At least Complex Multiverse level, likely up to Low Hyperverse level, possibly higher (Immune to all space-time glitches and paradoxes, survived his own multiversal retcon)

Range: | At least Multiversal+, possibly up to High Multiversal | At least Complex Multiversal, likely up to Low Hyperversal, possibly higher

QuasiYuri · Aug 4, 2017

After this revision of pages.

The pages of Felt, Dad, Bro, and Davesprit should also be modified.

For Bro and Davesprit, they confronted Jack Noir (as said on their pages).

The Felt confronted Jake English, and some were even able to kill him or cause him some difficulty (Crowbar and Quarters for example).

For Dad, it should be comparable to Bro, and defeated Cans easily.

+ Vriskra faced (and surely beaten) Andrew Hussie. Should it be potentially low hyperverse?

Magi_Hussie · Aug 4, 2017

I will finish up the rest I didn't get to yet later.

The_Everlasting · Aug 4, 2017

I agree with Azzy and Promestein.

Antvasima · Aug 4, 2017

@The Everlasting

Okay. Thank you for the reply. Which profiles need to be changed, and in what way?

The_Wright_Way · Aug 5, 2017

YuriAkuto said:
After this revision of pages.

The pages of Felt, Dad, Bro, and Davesprit should also be modified.

For Bro and Davesprit, they confronted Jack Noir (as said on their pages).

The Felt confronted Jake English, and some were even able to kill him or cause him some difficulty (Crowbar and Quarters for example).

For Dad, it should be comparable to Bro, and defeated Cans easily.

+ Vriskra faced (and surely beaten) Andrew Hussie. Should it be potentially low hyperverse?

No, low Hyperverse Vriska is a massive outlier.

Magi_Hussie · Aug 5, 2017

Yea, I will leave a note for that.

Reminder: I'm still working on the revisions for the remaining profiles, so I should be able to be finished with all of them in a few more hours or so.

@Yuki Btw, that was Jack prototyped 3x you're referring to and it doesn't need a revision.

Promestein · Aug 5, 2017

Just remember that there's a lot of uncertainty regarding these and no changes should be going through yet.

Azathoth_the_Abyssal_Idiot · Aug 5, 2017

Ghost Hussie isn't the same as regular Hussie, as well. He manifested in a Dream Bubble after English killed him (as opposed to transcending the regular worlds of the comic) and appeared virtually powerless, from then on.

Magi_Hussie · Aug 5, 2017

Promestein said:
Just remember that there's a lot of uncertainty regarding these and no changes should be going through yet.

Ok then.

Magi_Hussie · Aug 5, 2017

Here comes the rest of the remaining revisions.

Magi_Hussie · Aug 5, 2017

14. Summarized Revisions for The Condesce:

Tier: Likely High 2-A, far higher at her peak. High 2-A with GCAT

Attack Potency: At least High Multiverse level+ (Casually blew up Derse's moon, Pulled a planet out of orbit and used it to block another incoming planet in the span of seconds, Destroyed the solar system in her fight with Aranea, Casually killed an enraged Rose, Took over Jade's mind with ease, Easily more powerful than a majority of God-Tiers), far higher (Overpowered John, Rose, Roxy, and Jane simultaneously, despite all four ganging up on her). High Multiverse level+ when in control of GCAT, a First Guardian

Striking Strength: Likely High Multiversal+, far higher at her peak

Durability: At least Solar System level (Unaffected by a planet smashing into her ship and by Jake's hope field), likely up to High Multiverse level+ (Took a beating from John, Rose, Roxy, and Jane with only a few superficial scratches, only being significantly hurt by a sword through the back from Roxy when her guard was down)

Range: At least Interstellar, likely up to High Multiversal. High Multiversal with GCAT

Magi_Hussie · Aug 5, 2017

15. Summarized Revisions for Dave Strider:

Tier: | Likely up to High 2-A, far higher with hax | Possibly High 2-A

Attack Potency: | Likely up to High Multiverse level+ (Should be on par with God-Tier Rose, Killed possessed Alpha-Session Jack Noir, whose exploding head created a small black hole and vaporized the majority of a planet, in the process), far higher with hax (Jade implied that his "time trickery" would allow him to fight with herself) | Possibly High Multiverse level+ (Managed to very briefly hold off both Bec Noir and the Peregrine Mendicant)

Striking Strength: | Likely up to High Multiverse level+ (Should be on par with God-Tier Rose, Killed possessed Alpha-Session Jack Noir, whose exploding head created a small black hole and vaporized the majority of a planet, in the process), likely far higher with hax (Jade implied that his "time trickery" would allow him to fight with herself) | Possibly High Multiverse level+ (Managed to very briefly hold off both Bec Noir and the Peregrine Mendicant)

Durability: | Likely up to High Multiverse level+ (Emerged from the core of the Green Sun, a star twice as massive as a universe. Took numerous hits from possessed Alpha-Session Jack) | Possibly High Multiverse level+ (Was killed when both Jack and PM finally stabbed him)

Range: | Likely up to High Multiversal, far higher with hax | Same

Magi_Hussie · Aug 5, 2017

16. Summarized Revisions for Rose Lalonde:

Tier: | Likely up to High 2-A | Likely High 2-A

Attack Potency: | Likely up High Multiverse level+ (Far superior to God-tier John, and was able to actually engage in combat with a fully prototyped Jack Noir, albeit for only a couple of seconds. Should be on par with God-Tier Dave, who took hits from Alpha Jack Noir) | Likely High Multiverse level+ (Managed to fight against The Condesce when teamed up with John, Roxy, and Jane, Should be comparable to God-Tier Dirk and Dave)

Striking Strength: | Likely up to High Multiversal+ (The force of her merely beginning to clash with Jack blew up the tower they were standing on and distorted reality around the planetoid) | Likely High Multiversal+ (could be closer to her base form's strength or Grimdark form's strength)

Durability: | Likely up to High Multiverse level+ (Able to actually engage in combat with a fully prototyped Jack Noir, even managing to survive a few attacks from him, Should be comparable to God-Tier Dave) | Likely High Multiverse level+ (Survived coming out of the core of the Green Sun, a star with the mass of Earth and Athenian's universes combined, took multiple bloodlusted hits from the Condesce)

Range: | Likely up to High Multiversal | Likely High Multiversal

Magi_Hussie · Aug 5, 2017

17. Summarized Revisions for Dirk Strider:

Tier: | Likely up to High 2-A

Attack Potency: | Likely up to High Multiverse level+ (He should be comparable to other God Tiers and superior to his Trickster self, Comparable to Dave, fought against possessed Alpha-Session Jack Noir, whose exploding head created a small black hole). Ignores durability with soul manipulation.

Striking Strength: | Likely up to High Multiversal+

Durability: | Likely up to High Multiverse level+ (Comparable to Dave, Took numerous hits from possessed Alpha-Session Jack)

Magi_Hussie · Aug 5, 2017

18. Summarized Revisions for Roxy Lalonde:

Tier: | 5-B, possibly up to High 2-A

Attack Potency: | Planet level (Should be comparable to the other God-Tiers like John and Vriska, and thus superior to Jackspers Noirlecrow), possibly up to High Multiverse level+ (Managed to kill The Condesce, but it was only with a surprise attack when her guard was down)

Striking Strength: | Planet Class, possibly up to High Multiversal+ (Pierced The Condesce's heart by throwing Bro's sword through her chest)

Durability: | Planet level, possibly up to High Multiverse level+ (Managed to tank several attacks from The Condesce)

Magi_Hussie · Aug 5, 2017

19. Summarized Revisions for Aradia Megido:

Tier: | At least 7-A, likely 5-C, likely up to 5-B | 5-B, possibly up to High 2-A via hax

Attack Potency: At least Mountain level (Slapped around Equius like a ragdoll, Beat Vriska to death, Considered one of the most powerful members of the team), likely Moon level (Likely comparable to Solluxin psychic power. Was capable of stopping the Reckoning's meteors and hurling them back at the Black King), likely up to Planet level (The Reckoning has meteors large enough to destroy planets and pulverize Skaia in a short timeframe). | Planet level, possibly up to High Multiverse level+ via hax (Aradia's powers are not purely destructive, but she should at least be on a similar level to early God Tier John. However, many of her temporal powers and hax allow her to bypass conventional durability to an extent). Aradia's powers have shown to work on beings far above her level, such as Bec Noir and Lord English, though the latter wasn't serious at all and was only restrained for an incredibly short period.

Durability: | Planet level, possibly up to High Multiverse level+ (Survived Jack blowing up Derse, Should be comparable to similar level God Tiers)

Range: | Planetary, possibly up to High Multiversal via hax

Magi_Hussie · Aug 5, 2017

20. Summarized Revisions for Aranea Serket:

Tier: At least 2-A, likely up to High 2-A

Attack Potency: At least Multiverse level+, likely up to High Multiverse level+ (Aranea's attacks proved powerful enough to where The Condesce felt the need to both dodge and defend herself against them)

Durability: | Likely up to High Multiverse level+ (Capable of surviving several attacks from God-Tier Dirk)

Range: At least Multiversal+ with telekinesis, likely up to High Multiversal

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