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Time Devourer Lavos vs Bill Cipher

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As much as I don't want to say this. *gags* Bill *gags* Cipher is *gags* more hax'd and powerful than Lavos, given his resistance to space-time manipulation, intangibility, more types of immortality, etc. I give *gags* the win to Bill Cipher
 
Lavos can void immunities so Bill's resistances are moot, really. It also has a number of hax that Bill has no resistance against from the start. Plus that whole power of eating dreams is bound to be a pain, too.

Immortality 1 and 4 won't be too much of a problem either since 1 doesn't matter in battle and 4 is moot here since both are at At least 2-A, now 3 may be a problem. Intangibility is also moot by virtue of this Lavos being non-corporeal, which is qualitatively higher.

One way or another, vote counted.

Lavos: 0

Bill Cipher: 1 (FanofRPGs)

Inconclusive: 0
 
I'll give this to Lavos. Higher end of 2-A, soul manipulation and regen negation makes low-godly regen moot (mid-godly requires the AXOLTL which iirc isn't combat applicable because it needs too much time) paired with the fact that his resurrection is still a pain to deal with, as well as memory manipulation
 
I'll go for Lavos just for lulz, though I think it's pretty inconclusive otherwise. It depends on if Bill is past Lavos' almost complete control of all realities, which is debatable. If this is Base Lavos, he gets annihilated, but at Dream Devourer/Time Devourer level I think Bill might be in for a hard one.
 
Part of the reason that made me do this match was to troll Cal, because he likes both characters. I legit wanna see who he'll be voting for. But yes, this is TD Lavos.

Lavos: 2 (Kaltias, Aeyu)

Bill Cipher: 1 (FanofRPGs)

Inconclusive: 0
 
Damn you, Fate. This is too hard...

Jk. Lavos. Scary levels of resurrection, immunity voiding, and regen negation.
 
Lavos is so god damned haxxed, his voiding of immunities will take a massive impact on the poor little 2-A Dorito

They are relatively evenly matched in Hax, but Lavos gets the upper hand with his broken Resurrection and Immunity Nullitication

Count one for Lavos

Note: That Pic of Bill is fooking adorable i dont know why
 
Counting votes first...

Lavos: 5 (Kaltias, Aeyu, The real cal howard, FanofRPGs, QuagsireTheLegend)

Bill Cipher: 1 (Penguinkingpin)

Inconclusive: 0
 
Ok, now for clarification.

@Penguim Regen ability won't mater much if he gets eaten and/or absorbed. Bill's regen comes either from the Soul or from the fact that he exists as a Dream, which Lavos can consume and/or absorb across Endless timelines... PASSIVELY, ever since he was the DD which is leagues below the TD in this match.

So Bill's Regen is as moot as his resistances by the end of the day. The Chrono trigger thing doesn't even matter here one way or another so not sure why you brought that point up as that was not used in the debate by anyone.

Bill's possession will work on another 2-A like that, despite Bill needing contracts to possess people waaaaaay below a 2-A? Sure. I find it way more likely that HE ends up getting absorbed if he tries that, considering that, unlike him, Lavos does display eating/absorption of dreams, thoughts and memories on a 2-A scale on his home verse. AP and tier, I won't say much about that.
 
Dream Devourer = baseline 2-A = Bill

Time Devourer>>>>>>>>Dream Devourer=Bill

Not like the AP advantage is needed anyway. It's just the icing on the cake
 
@Penguim

1. Except that Bill died by being erased so yeah, that argument does not fly. Comparing a weapon that is leagues below a 2-A being's powers does not fly either. Did you know that hax have scale? TD's hax >>>>>>>>> Abyss >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ford's weapon.

"Mid-Godly comes from Axoltol" Yeaaah, an incantation that is sooooo so useful for combat purposes that Bill never ever came back from being erased, to this day. He gets absorbed/eaten, TD calls it a day. If Bill is eaten/absorbed, he's not coming back. Put that together with immunity voiding and regen being moot here, the moment he goes down, he's staying dead.

2. Really? Bill is stated to be a threat to the multiverse and his key being used in this match is the At Least 2-A one that is, at best, comparable to TD in raw power, so don't bring up the possible stats. That's like if I made a match with the lower key of Reinhard and suddenly went "Yeah, but Reinhard has a 1-A key so he wins." ...Which is ridiculous. Stop bringing the whole higher dimension stuff, it's moot in this match. Read the OP.
 
Also kinda irrelevant, but Ford missed the shot, it hit Bill's hat instead. Not even the tree that the shot later hit was erased from existence. So much for an existence erasing weapon.
 
@Penguim And I'm explaining why that wasn't an argument for his Low-Godly being too much of a problem here. Lavos can get past it because again, he renerates either from the soul or because he exists as a Dream. The gun didn't entirely erase him, it hit his hat and went through it. Almost all of Bill was still there.

And like I already said, even the tree that was hit by said gun wasn't erased from existence (you can clearly see a part of it flying out of the screen.). So no, I'm not strawmanning. I'm clarifying an assumption that is fundamentally mistaken.

That last part is headcanon. If Bil could come back via Axoltol in a way that's combat applicable, he would be back right after being erased or at the very least before the series ended to wreak havoc again. But no, he didn't come back at all, so pretty sure he is dead if he loses here. At best he recovers over a long time - at which point he'll be long absorbed so even if it was the case, moot.
 
...Debunked reasons don't count. If you look above, said replies were even removed, so there's literally no reason above to be agreed with for Bill. If you want to vote for him, you'll have to make your own reasoning.

Current vote count is:

Lavos: 5 (Kaltias, Aeyu, The real cal howard, FanofRPGs, QuagsireTheLegend)

Bill Cipher: 0

Inconclusive: 0
 
Man, I had a nightmare of being caught in a dark alley last night, X files is unneeded.

(No really, I actually did, and I failed to get back to sleep)
 
Lavos via sheer power, versatility, and many ways to adapt to Bill's attack/defense methods, Bill has the ability to stall and cometmplate something to use against Lavos but even then Bill's best option is to see Lavos coming and escape the battle before Lavos can devour him.
 
Lavos/TD: 6 (Kaltias, Aeyu, The real cal howard, FanofRPGs, QuagsireTheLegend, Everyone'ssanidiotexceptforme97)

Bill Cipher: 0

Inconclusive: 0
 
Ok. Since it was unanimous (Lifting strength doesn't matter at all in 2-A matches), I'll request this.

Lavos/TD: 7 (Kaltias, Aeyu, The real cal howard, FanofRPGs, QuagsireTheLegend, Everyone'ssanidiotexceptforme97, Gargoyle One)

Bill Cipher: 0

Inconclusive: 0
 
Dunno about Zeed (don't know enough about the character), but YHVH is quite literally capable of oneshotting 2-As on its level by saying "blah". Lavos is comparable to say, Kagutsuchi who is fodder to a fodder to a fodder to a character that gets fodderized by YHVH.

EDIT: Also there was a Lucemon vs TD thread. Dunno what happened on that one.
 
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